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Old October 21st, 2009, 07:24 PM   #141
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So the price is ~ 2 million Euros...A price at almost the same level as Alstom or Bombardier...Anyway, it looks very nice and if quality is good it may be successfull. But AFAIK the price is higher then the price of Crotram or Skoda...
About this point you're wrong,because Alstom and Bombardier want much more for their trams; below I put prices from the last tender in Gdańsk (for 35 tramcars,ca. 30 m long,100% of low floor):


PESA - 8,729,163 PLN
Stadler - 9,776,662 PLN
Bombardier - 10,106,540 PLN
AnsaldoBreda - 12,624,822 PLN
CAF - 12,745,962 PLN


Important note:only for PESA the VAT tax is included; the remaining prices are NETTO prices!

And earlier prices (Warsaw tender for 186 trams):

PESA - 1,5 billion PLN
Ansaldo-Breda Newag - over 1,8 billion PLN (they put price in Euro,which was against tender's requirements);
Alstom - 2,8 billion PLN
Stadler - 3,7 billion PLN!!!
Bombardier and Siemens didn't put an offer,because they realised their offers wouldn't be lower than Alstom's.

In Gdańsk Stadler and Bombardier offered the LOWEST PRICES SINCE THEY ATTEND TO POLISH TENDERS!The most funny is that in Warsaw and Gdańsk operators wanted tramcars of allmost the same parameters (it means,as I've written above,ca. 30 m long,100% low floor tram)!
IMHO Skoda wouldn't be cheaper: in Wrocław's tender,nearly 5 years ago,they wanted for PARTIALLY low-floor tramcar (Skoda 16T) 1,72 mio. Euro (when the Czech krown was weaker than today according to Euro's walue);in Riga Skoda wanted for 20 15T (100% low floor,similar length to Tramino) trams 52 mln Euro!
Do you still think,that Solaris' competitors are cheaper?

About Crotram: we can't asess it's price,because they haven't sold any tramcar for few years (besides they haven't sold any tram to other city than Zagreb ).

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Old December 12th, 2009, 04:49 AM   #142
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A bit late, but it wasn't mentioned earlier.

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Solaris Delivers 5000th Bus From Bolechowo

07.05.2009

Just 13 years after opening production, Solaris Bus & Coach has delivered the 5000th bus built in its Bolechowo factory. The jubilee bus is a Solaris Urbino 12 ordered by Transkom of Koziegłowy, Poland. Furthermore, the successful Urbino family of low floor buses celebrates its 10th birthday.

In a ceremony at the Solaris factory in Bolechowo, Solaris founder Krzysztof Olszewski handed over the keys to the jubilee bus to Marian Szymański, managing director of Transkom, based in Koziegłowy near Poznań.

Transkom operates 13 buses on commuter services north-east of Poznań and has been a Solaris customer since 1999. The new bus brings the number of Bolechowo-built buses in the Transkom fleet up to ten.

Transkom managing director Marian Szymański said: "For me, the Solaris Urbino is the leading bus of its class. It is a great honour for us to have the 5000th Solaris bus in our fleet. We may only be a small operator, but we have always had a reliable partner in Solaris Bus & Coach and we are looking forward to further cooperation in the future."

Solaris founder Krzysztof Olszewski commented on the delivery of the 5000th bus: "Today’s event shows the remarkable development of our company over the last 13 years. When we started in 1996, we had 36 employees and produced 56 buses in our first year. Today, we have a workforce of 1600 and achieve an annual production of over 1000 buses. Our buses are operated in 20 countries - from Norway to the United Arab Emirates. The Solaris Urbino, which we first presented ten years ago, has established itself as one of the leading European low floor buses thanks to its winning combination of high quality, reliability and attractive design."

5000th bus from Solaris factory Bolechowo

The 5000th bus built in Solaris’s Bolechowo factory is a Solaris Urbino 12 low floor bus. With its stainless steel frame and modern specification, it combines highest standards of comfort with excellent durability. The jubilee bus is powered by a 183 kW (249 PS) DAF engine complying with Euro 5 emission levels. Power transmission is achieved by a Voith DIWA full automatic gearbox. 37 fixed seats and two tip-up seats offer a comfortable travelling experience to passengers while a full air-conditioning system ensures pleasant temperatures on the bus at all times. A CCTV monitoring system ensures passengers’ safety.

10 successful years: The Solaris Urbino celebrates its birthday

Along with the delivery of its 5000th bus, Solaris Bus & Coach celebrates the 10th birthday of its most successful bus, the Solaris Urbino. This modern low floor bus had its world premiere in May 1999. Ten years later, its friendly face is an integral part of cityscapes all over Europe.

Today, Solaris Urbino buses are operated in 20 countries. The product offer ranges from midibuses to standard length, 15-metre and articulated buses. Solaris Urbino buses are powered by diesel engines complying with the most demanding emission standards. CNG engines also are available. A hybrid version, the Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid, was unveiled 2006 as the first European hybrid bus using volume-production technology and is now in revenue service in ten cities in four countries. The Solaris Trollino trolleybus, based on the versatile Urbino, offers public transport which is emission free at the point of operation.

The mascot of the Solaris Urbino - a green dachshund - has found a place in many a heart throughout Europe. "The green dachshund is long like a bus and it has short legs, reminiscent of the easy access of our low floor buses. Our buses are fuel-efficient like the dachshund’s small appetite. Its green colour stands for the green credentials of our buses and the dachshund’s legendary fidelity mirrors our loyalty towards our customers," explains Solange Olszewska, CEO of Solaris Bus & Coach.

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Old December 12th, 2009, 04:53 AM   #143
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Experience in Future Transport: Solaris at the Vienna UITP Congress

27.05.2009

From 7-11 June 2009, Solaris Bus & Coach will showcase its "Experience in Future Transport" at the 58th UITP World Congress in Vienna. In hall B, stand 2D600, Solaris will present the environmentally-friendly Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid and the innovative Solaris Urbino New Edition.

Only 13 years after the start of production, Solaris Bus & Coach delivered the 5000th bus built in its Bolechowo factory in May 2009, reaching another landmark in the company’s history. Yet the focus remains on looking ahead: with latest technology for diesel-electric and pure electric public transport, Solaris affirms its commitment to sustainable transport which protects our climate and environment. At the UITP Congress in Vienna, the young manufacturer will showcase its spirit of innovation by presenting future mobility already available today.

Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid

As early as 2006, Solaris Bus & Coach presented the groundbreaking Urbino 18 Hybrid, Europe’s first city bus using volume-production hybrid technology. These vehicles have been delivered to customers in ten cities in four European countries. They have accumulated a total mileage of over 500 000 km in demanding passenger service. The experience gained from this operation benefits continued improvements to the innovative hybrid bus. Fuel consumption verified in customer service already shows savings of up to 25% compared with similar conventional diesel buses.

The 18-metre articulated Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid uses the Ep50 hybrid system developed by Allison Transmission. Two electric engines supply a combined total power of 150 kW, assisting the Cummins ISBe5 250B diesel engine. Thanks to engine downsizing, this 6.7-litre engine is rated at only 178 kW (242 PS). Energy recuperated during braking is stored in dedicated nickel-metal hydride batteries mounted on the roof of the vehicle and is re-used for subsequent acceleration. The operational lifetime of the batteries will be at least six years, the purchase cost calculation of the Solaris hybrid bus includes a replacement battery back.

Independent tests have confirmed a fuel savings potential of between 22% and 24% in all SORT cycles. The experience of customers of the Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid however shows that this level can be surpassed in real operation. Operators also praise the excellent availability of the Solaris hybrid bus, which is comparable to conventional diesel buses. The current total accumulated mileage of over 500 000 km has been achieved with no failures of hybrid system components.

"Through the real operation of our Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid bus in ten European cities, we have been able to gather valuable experience in widely diverging operational conditions. Our thanks are due to our customers, without whose partnership and trust we would not have been able to follow this exciting path. Their positive experiences fully confirm our early choice for a sustained application of hybrid technology," explained Solaris CEO Solange Olszewska.

The environment and climate benefit from the reduced emissions of the Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid. Against comparable conventional diesel buses, the Solaris hybrid bus emits 13% less NOx, 25% less CO2 and 32% less hydrocarbons. Emissions of carcinogenic particulate matter even are up to 78% lower.

Based on the experience gained with the Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid bus in real operation, Solaris Bus & Coach will extend its hybrid product range in the coming years. As soon as next year, a 12-metre hybrid will tap into savings potential on less busy city bus routes.

Solaris Urbino New Edition

The Solaris Urbino family of low floor city buses celebrated its 10th birthday in May 2009. Its success story continues unabated: In 2008 alone, more than 1000 new Urbino buses were delivered to customers. The success spurs Solaris on to further development: the Solaris Urbino New Edition showcases ideas for the evolution of the popular low floor bus. The completely redesigned interior creates a trendsetting travelling experience. Latest technology makes the jobs of drivers and maintenance crews easier.

The core feature of the attractive new interior is a ceiling of illuminated plastic sheets. Their luminosity creates a unique travelling experience. Uninterrupted illumination levels reduce blind spots and contribute to passengers’ sense of safety. Seats and side panels are included in the integral design and are resplendent in light and fresh colours. Large-size prints on the engine housing complete the picture while offering new possibilities for operator customisation.

Solaris Bus & Coach has developed a new dashboard tailored to drivers’ needs. Using latest touch-screen technology, it features contextual availability of operating controls. The uncluttered feel allows the driver to concentrate on the job at hand. Its excellent adaptability means that the bus can be updated to changing operational requirements throughout its service life.

Solaris CEO Solange Olszewska said: "The Solaris Urbino New Edition makes tomorrow’s public transport available today. Travelling on buses is an integral part of our daily lives and with the Urbino New Edition, passengers will find a travelling experience so pleasant they will hardly want to get off at their destination."

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Old December 12th, 2009, 04:57 AM   #144
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Solaris hands over 50th bus to LVB Leipzig

30.09.2009

Solaris Bus & Coach has handed over the 50th Solaris city bus built for Leipziger Verkehrsbetriebe (LVB) of Leipzig, Germany. The jubilee bus is part of a batch of five Solaris Alpino midibuses. LVB have been a Solaris customer since 2005.

All eyes on the new buses: Malgorzata Olszewska, Managing Director of Solaris in Germany, handed over the 50th Solaris bus for the city of Leipzig to Ronald Juhrs, Director of Technology and Operations at Leipziger Verkehrsbetriebe (LVB). Together with four sister vehicles, this agile Solaris Alpino midibus will enhance public transport in Leipzig.

"We are delighted to have been able to offer the ideal small size vehicle for Leipziger Verkehrsbetriebe with the Solaris Alpino," said Malgorzata Olszewska during the handover. "The Alpino may be small, but it offers the same high level of comfort as its larger relations of the Urbino family of city buses. We are honoured that LVB have chosen its qualities for their fleet."

"With the commissioning of the 50th Solaris, LVB continue their long-term strategy for consistent fleet renewal," said Ronald Juhrs. "These smaller and narrower buses allow LVB to offer cost-effective and comfortable public transport in places where narrow roads and tight corners would make the use of larger buses difficult or even impossible."

14 passengers will find comfortable seats on the 8.6-metre Solaris Alpino midibuses for Leipzig. Four additional tip-up seats offer extra capacity when needed. A multi-purpose area is positioned at the middle of the bus. Wheelchair users will access the new buses via a manual ramp at the centre doors. Leipzig’s Solaris Alpino are powered by a 178 kW (242 PS) Cummins engine meeting the demanding EEV emissions standard. It is matched to a ZF automatic gearbox. Furthermore, the buses are fitted with video surveillance, passenger information systems, passenger television and passenger-operated ticket machines.

LVB have been a customer for eco-friendly Solaris buses since 2005. Apart from Solaris Urbino 12 standard buses, a state-of-the-art Solaris Urbino 18 Hybrid bus has been operated since autumn 2007. Its diesel-electric hybrid drive reduces fuel consumption and emissions. This year, LVB will receive another twelve Solaris Urbino city buses, bringing the number of Solaris buses in Leipzig up to 66.

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Solaris to build 40 low-floor trams for Poznań

23.11.2009

Solaris has won a tender to supply 40 low-floor trams to Poznań Municipal Transport Company. The new trams will be delivered in time for the 2012 European Football Championship, in which Poznań is a host city.

The 40 new Solaris trams for Poznań Municpial Transport Company (MPK) will be 100% low floor and will be designated Solaris Tramino LF 32. The five-section, uni-directional trams will be 31.96 m long and 2.40 m wide.

The Solaris Tramino vehicles for Poznań will be air-conditioned and will have a capacity of 229 passengers. To enable short stop dwell times, six doors are provided: four 1500 mm wide double doors and two 750 mm wide single doors. The entrance height will be 350 mm above top of rail. Each vehicle will have three traditional wheel-set bogies, two of which will be powered. In total, there will be four 105 kW engines, each with its own static inverter.
"The Solaris Tramino trams for Poznań will combine stylish design with latest technology. The citizens of Poznań will benefit from highest standards of quality and are sure to appreciate the excellent ride comfort of the Tramino", explained Solaris founder Krzysztof Olszewski.

According to the terms of contract, the first of the new low-floor trams for Poznań will be delivered in June 2011, with the remaining vehicles following by March 2012. Poznań is a host city in the 2012 European Football Championships and all new trams will be in service in time for this event.
The contract between Solaris and Poznań MPK was signed in the pre-production Solaris Tramino which was first presented at TRAKO International Railway Fair in Gdańsk in October 2009. It has since arrived in Poznań for testing. "Over the coming months, we will put this first Tramino through its paces so that no teething troubles should remain by the time we start serial production", said Krzysztof Olszewski.

The order has a gross value of 342 million PLN (82.4 million EUR). Apart from the 40 trams themselves, it also includes technical equipment for the depot that will cater for the vehicles as well as service contracts. Solaris provides a five-year warranty on all components as well as a 14-year warranty on body durability.

Solaris is looking for potential local partners for the production of the Solaris Tramino trams for Poznań. "Currently, talks with Modertrans of Poznań about a possible cooperation are well advanced", commented Solaris CEO Solange Olszewska.

Solaris has previously proven its expertise in the production of diesel and hybrid buses as well as trolleybuses. Almost 6,000 Solaris buses are in operation in 20 countries. Experience in tram building has been gained as part of a consortium building trams for Cracow and Gdańsk. "Our company story is about to come full circle. 13 years ago an order for 72 buses for Poznań MPK was the catalyst to set up our bus production facilities. With the same partner, we will now start a new chapter of our success story", enthused Solange Olszewska.

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It's time to change this thread's title from "Solaris buses" to "Solaris products"
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Or to "Solaris buses, trams and only Krzysztof Olszewski with God knows what next"
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Old December 12th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #148
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Don't know about heat, but noise is kind of a problem, and in the German two-door version the back seems a bit claustrophobic (originally there's a door opposite the engine compartment). I liked the earlier version much more. What I actually like about them is that in this hole called Saarbrücken these are the only buses that have displays inside. That's indispensable when travelling to areas one doesn't know very well, as the audio is usually not loud enough and/or unclear.

Are Münich buses fitted with displays?
You mean to announce the next station? Every Munich bus has a display to announce the next station, the Solaris have some monitor which announces the next 2 or 3 stops, it's not advantage over the normal display, except you plan to sleep

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Old December 13th, 2009, 12:38 PM   #149
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Still I'm waiting for Urbino LE 18, and to see a Solaris in USA . Secondly, I don't think Tramlino will be a very popular tram. Cities like Kraków have their own type f.e. Bombardier. Warsaw is out of the contest, question is with those small "ex-german" cities like Elbląg and Gorzów Wielkopolski. Pesa as a experienced player can offer much cheaper trams, for those small networks price is the most important thing.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM   #150
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SOLARIS IN COIMBRA - PORTUGAL

In November, SMTUC, the urban transportation company in the Coimbra, a city in the center of Portugal, put in service a Solaris trollino 12, they intent to switch all trolley cars, for trollino 12, cause the older ones, have around 20 years or so....



At Night near an emblematic garden in Coimbra called "Jardim da Manga":
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There is also a rumor that they plan to buy some hybrid buses, and in currently there is a tram system beeing built, and Tramino was appointed has one of the possible vehicles...yet, I think that they didn't presented a proposal for this project....
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A thing that annoys me with solaris busses is that text on display is so dimm and hard to read.

Example: Solaris (from this thread):

Man, Lizbon PT:
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Still I'm waiting for Urbino LE 18, and to see a Solaris in USA . Secondly, I don't think Tramlino will be a very popular tram. Cities like Kraków have their own type f.e. Bombardier. Warsaw is out of the contest, question is with those small "ex-german" cities like Elbląg and Gorzów Wielkopolski. Pesa as a experienced player can offer much cheaper trams, for those small networks price is the most important thing.
It'd be cool to see some Solaris buses as part of Boston's T-fleet.

Perhaps the tramino would become more of an export model.

And the next thing we know, Solaris will probably announce the Metrino.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #153
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A thing that annoys me with solaris busses is that text on display is so dimm and hard to read.
I have not noticed such a thing with the solaris buses in Riga.

Example:
Trollino 18 (3rd generation)


Trollino 18 (2nd generation)


Urbino 12 (with orange text) and an unknown Urbino in the background (with green text)


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I belive it could have something to do with the angle you look at the text and the surrounding
For example here:
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I don't know if it's possibility with Solaris-buses, but many busmakers offer you a choice to which display manufacturer they should use. That can provide vast differences in visibility.
Another thing that has to with this is your photocamera. If you let two people next to each other both make a picture of the same bus with a different camera, the results can be really different.
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It depents of what kind of display is ordered by the transport company in Your city.

eg.

Koziegłowy (Poland):


- this kind is more expencive.

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I belive it could have something to do with the angle you look at the text and the surrounding
Yup, this is exacly what bothers me, its impossible to read front display if not standing in front of it.

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If you let two people next to each other both make a picture of the same bus with a different camera, the results can be really different.
As photographer i know that, but you can look at attached Exif data to know what weather conditions was there when picture was taken.
But a simpler observation of shadows (and umbrellas hyh) on pictures works too.

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this kind is more expencive.
I guess that solve it, that Solaris use cheaper parts,
too bad that our gov's saves on that.
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these buses are ugly European, Brazilians are more beautiful.

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these buses are ugly European, Brazilians are more beautiful.
You dug up this old thread for that 'valuable' contribution, to then post a picture of what looks like a cheap rip-off of the Van Hool newAG300?
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do not understand this strange language, the more that these buses are ugly are!
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I remember seeing pictures on the internet of the Solaris Urbino hybrid going on a Europe-wide tour.
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