Time for Ireland to accept gay marriages

Lostboy · December 24th, 2008, 01:26 PM

Almost all of Europe has some form of gay marriage or registered cohabitation rights, except for the most backwards places still believing in some kind of religious fairytales. Is it not time for Ireland to join with the Netherlands rather than be in the same category as Russia?

nordisk celt83 · December 24th, 2008, 04:05 PM

The legislation is being processed! It's being processed for civil unions anyway.

Lostboy · December 24th, 2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nordisk celt83

The legislation is being processed! It's being processed for civil unions anyway.

I am actually really impressed how Ireland is socially changing, given the conservative nature of previous society. I can't understand how some would oppose this.

saoró... · December 24th, 2008, 09:13 PM

The denial of anyones rights based on something as trivial as sexual orientation is archaic.

Equal rights for all citizens. Simple as that.

nordisk celt83 · December 24th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Last post before xmas. Just google searched it. Most recent poll showed 84% in favour of either gay marriage or civil partnership. While the most recent RTE poll showed over 3/4 in favour of full gay marriage. To my surprise, we're even more liberal than the general public on SSC.

festivephone · December 25th, 2008, 11:11 AM

I was watching a documentry by Louis theroux called "the most hated family in America" And Basically Its a church which mostly revolves around hating homosexuality. They hate Numerous countrys and everything in them if there is a law or somthing that protects gay rights and one of the blacklisted countrys is Ireland. Heres the link...http://www.godhatesireland.com/

PB-1888 · December 26th, 2008, 11:45 AM

I support the right for gay marriage 100%, however the wording of this poll is ridiculous.

Option 1 is put diplomatically, and has no reference to the crux of the thread. Option 2 may as well be stated something like "Do you enjoy a good lynchin' for all them weirdos?"

nordisk celt83 · December 27th, 2008, 02:03 PM

Yes, I agree. The phrasing, langauge and choice of words in both the poll question and the op is quite absurd. However, it is an interesting topic for discussion nonetheless.
Plus, thank god the 'westbrough'? church hates Ireland. Can't think of a better accolade for a country to have!

Pompey77 · January 1st, 2009, 06:49 PM

The question is a bit loaded but i would say thats a fair description of the majority of people who would vote no.

I dont really understand why this is still a controversial issue in any self respecting liberal western nation tbh. Its a simple matter of love v. hate.

Viking74 · January 1st, 2009, 08:35 PM

The civil partnership bill should have been well in at this stage. I don't understand the delay with this. Instead we have the ridiculous situation where gay people in committed relationships and other cohabitting couples have no legal recognition in this country. Hardly the sign of a modern progressive society. I really wish that the government would get a move on in relation to this.

odlum833 · January 1st, 2009, 11:31 PM

Dont see the problem tbh....yeah it should be just legal.

rob_right · January 2nd, 2009, 03:15 AM

Don't like people pushing their own agenda.

Veļas pulveris · January 2nd, 2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saoró...

Equal rights for all citizens. Simple as that.

Sure! First we will give rights for "sihte pushers", then we will give rights for likes of Josef Fritzl!

djmaxliving · January 2nd, 2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rob_right

Don't like people pushing their own agenda and trying to supress the opinion of others - voted no as a reaction to this.

Same here. I say no.

937delta · January 2nd, 2009, 11:20 AM

voted no, as an answer to the thread title, certainly from an Northern Ireland point of view, as it is on the geographical island of Ireland. Did not vote no to the actual polling questions which appears to be of no relevance whatsoever to the thread title. Time for Ireland (both parts) to accept gay marriages - answer NO (N.Ireland) - reason for voting no.

Ulster · January 2nd, 2009, 12:09 PM

marriage = no
civil union = yes

im not the religious type but forcing churches to embrace gay marriage when it goes against their rights as well is not right. Whats wrong civil unions?

937delta · January 2nd, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Time for Ireland to accept gay marriages

Do you think that its time for your creator to adopt His creations ways and accept what we say, in that He is, and always was wrong. Basically God has somehow got it all wrong and that man who He made is right. Hmmm!!! interesting. So man is wiser than God - dangerous ground to tread if you think like this.

nordisk celt83 · January 2nd, 2009, 01:15 PM

I think everyone is agreed that the question is exceptionally flawed, but I think one should discern a yes/no response rather than taking the ridiculous questioning at face value.

Interesting to note that if it had been an exclusively Republic of Ireland vote Yes would have it at 100% and no would be 0%.

Lostboy, it appears you're preaching to the liberally converted and need to do some work closer to home!

PB-1888 · January 2nd, 2009, 02:13 PM

"Interesting to note that if it had been an exclusively Republic of Ireland vote Yes would have it at 100% and no would be 0%."

And ironic that the right for civil partnership exists in NI and not in the South.

"Do you think that its time for your creator to adopt His creations ways and accept what we say, in that He is, and always was wrong. Basically God has somehow got it all wrong and that man who He made is right. Hmmm!!! interesting. So man is wiser than God - dangerous ground to tread if you think like this"

Religions have always followed the moral zeitgeist eventually, thankfully.

odlum833 · January 2nd, 2009, 02:46 PM

I would actually say NI is probrably more intolerant on these issues still then the Republic despite what legal technicalities there may be. This is probrably due to the religious devide and the fact each side is more religious in general then their friends in GB or ROI IMO.

View Poll Results: For or against prejudice and discrimination?
Yes - Ireland is a modern country against bigotry	75	74.26%
No - I like judging people and think hate is good	26	25.74%
Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

December 24th, 2008, 01:26 PM	#1
Lostboy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,038 Likes (Received): 12	Time for Ireland to accept gay marriages Almost all of Europe has some form of gay marriage or registered cohabitation rights, except for the most backwards places still believing in some kind of religious fairytales. Is it not time for Ireland to join with the Netherlands rather than be in the same category as Russia?

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December 24th, 2008, 04:05 PM	#2
nordisk celt83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway and Enniskerry, Wicklow Posts: 1,008 Likes (Received): 8	The legislation is being processed! It's being processed for civil unions anyway.

December 24th, 2008, 09:13 PM	#4
saoró... níféidirliomdulacholadh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Áth Cliath, AE Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 0	The denial of anyones rights based on something as trivial as sexual orientation is archaic. Equal rights for all citizens. Simple as that.

December 24th, 2008, 11:24 PM	#5
nordisk celt83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway and Enniskerry, Wicklow Posts: 1,008 Likes (Received): 8	Last post before xmas. Just google searched it. Most recent poll showed 84% in favour of either gay marriage or civil partnership. While the most recent RTE poll showed over 3/4 in favour of full gay marriage. To my surprise, we're even more liberal than the general public on SSC.

December 25th, 2008, 11:11 AM	#6
festivephone Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belfast Posts: 182 Likes (Received): 0	I was watching a documentry by Louis theroux called "the most hated family in America" And Basically Its a church which mostly revolves around hating homosexuality. They hate Numerous countrys and everything in them if there is a law or somthing that protects gay rights and one of the blacklisted countrys is Ireland. Heres the link...http://www.godhatesireland.com/

December 26th, 2008, 11:45 AM	#7
PB-1888 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: B*FAST Posts: 479 Likes (Received): 0	I support the right for gay marriage 100%, however the wording of this poll is ridiculous. Option 1 is put diplomatically, and has no reference to the crux of the thread. Option 2 may as well be stated something like "Do you enjoy a good lynchin' for all them weirdos?"

December 27th, 2008, 02:03 PM	#8
nordisk celt83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway and Enniskerry, Wicklow Posts: 1,008 Likes (Received): 8	Yes, I agree. The phrasing, langauge and choice of words in both the poll question and the op is quite absurd. However, it is an interesting topic for discussion nonetheless. Plus, thank god the 'westbrough'? church hates Ireland. Can't think of a better accolade for a country to have!

January 1st, 2009, 06:49 PM	#9
Pompey77 Pompodian in Exile Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,632 Likes (Received): 4	The question is a bit loaded but i would say thats a fair description of the majority of people who would vote no. I dont really understand why this is still a controversial issue in any self respecting liberal western nation tbh. Its a simple matter of love v. hate.

January 1st, 2009, 08:35 PM	#10
Viking74 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dublin Posts: 389 Likes (Received): 4	The civil partnership bill should have been well in at this stage. I don't understand the delay with this. Instead we have the ridiculous situation where gay people in committed relationships and other cohabitting couples have no legal recognition in this country. Hardly the sign of a modern progressive society. I really wish that the government would get a move on in relation to this.

January 1st, 2009, 11:31 PM	#11
odlum833 In the brig Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 6,496 Likes (Received): 83	Dont see the problem tbh....yeah it should be just legal.

January 2nd, 2009, 11:20 AM	#15
937delta Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Buckna Co Antrim UK Posts: 1,331 Likes (Received): 0	voted no, as an answer to the thread title, certainly from an Northern Ireland point of view, as it is on the geographical island of Ireland. Did not vote no to the actual polling questions which appears to be of no relevance whatsoever to the thread title. Time for Ireland (both parts) to accept gay marriages - answer NO (N.Ireland) - reason for voting no.

January 2nd, 2009, 12:09 PM	#16
Ulster Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belfast Posts: 121 Likes (Received): 0	marriage = no civil union = yes im not the religious type but forcing churches to embrace gay marriage when it goes against their rights as well is not right. Whats wrong civil unions?

January 2nd, 2009, 01:15 PM	#18
nordisk celt83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway and Enniskerry, Wicklow Posts: 1,008 Likes (Received): 8	I think everyone is agreed that the question is exceptionally flawed, but I think one should discern a yes/no response rather than taking the ridiculous questioning at face value. Interesting to note that if it had been an exclusively Republic of Ireland vote Yes would have it at 100% and no would be 0%. Lostboy, it appears you're preaching to the liberally converted and need to do some work closer to home!

January 2nd, 2009, 02:13 PM	#19
PB-1888 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: B*FAST Posts: 479 Likes (Received): 0	"Interesting to note that if it had been an exclusively Republic of Ireland vote Yes would have it at 100% and no would be 0%." And ironic that the right for civil partnership exists in NI and not in the South. "Do you think that its time for your creator to adopt His creations ways and accept what we say, in that He is, and always was wrong. Basically God has somehow got it all wrong and that man who He made is right. Hmmm!!! interesting. So man is wiser than God - dangerous ground to tread if you think like this" Religions have always followed the moral zeitgeist eventually, thankfully.

January 2nd, 2009, 02:46 PM	#20
odlum833 In the brig Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 6,496 Likes (Received): 83	I would actually say NI is probrably more intolerant on these issues still then the Republic despite what legal technicalities there may be. This is probrably due to the religious devide and the fact each side is more religious in general then their friends in GB or ROI IMO.