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Yes - Ireland is a modern country against bigotry 90 76.27%
No - I like judging people and think hate is good 28 23.73%
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Old March 6th, 2010, 03:31 AM   #81
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Petition on same-sex unions

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Sat, Mar 06, 2010


THE CATHOLIC League and Priests For Life Ireland groups have launched a petition opposing the Civil Partnership Bill.

Launched in the last issue of the Catholic Voice newspaper, it already has more than 2,000 signatures. The group said it would present them to Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern.

The Catholic League has already sent a letter to every TD and Senator expressing reservations about the Bill.

Anthony Murphy, founder of the Catholic League and publisher of the Catholic Voice , said in a statement: “It is clear that many people are puzzled and upset at the proposed legislation which can only undermine the institution of marriage by creating a kind of pseudo-marriage for same sex couples. This is deeply immoral and a crime against the natural law. It is the duty of every Catholic to oppose it”.

In its recent issue the Catholic Voice quoted “a senior Italian cardinal” as saying “Catholic politicians who support gay marriage are not Catholic. It’s impossible for the Catholic faith, and support for putting homosexual unions on equal footing with marriage, to coexist in one’s conscience – the two contradict each other.”

Fr Sylvester Mann, founder of Priests for Life Ireland, is writing to every Catholic priest in Ireland asking for their support in opposing the Bill. His letter will also contain a copy of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s document concerning legal recognition of same-sex unions.

Fr Sylvester said: “The concluding words of the Code of Canon Law remind us that the ‘care of souls is the supreme law of the Church’. To that end priests must preach the Gospel without compromise and lead others, including politicians, to live in the holiness of the Truth and to promote a Culture of Life. We must not be afraid to STOP (his emphasis) an immoral Bill from being bullied into law!”

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They can FUCK OFF.

Irish law (real law) takes precedent over whatever Canon Law the Catholic Church decides to make up for itself. Let's not forget it was this same Canon Law that they used to justify doing SWEET FUCK ALL about the child abuse cases - does anyone really want to live by that moronic system?

Thankfully, these lunatics represent a very small proportion of Irish society nowadays.
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Old March 6th, 2010, 10:28 AM   #82
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You're right Catmolojin they can all go and Fuck off. And I'm sick of getting their right wing rag magazines posted in my letterbox every month filled with upsetting articles about same sex unions. They've lost all credibility in my opinion and How dare they take moral high ground on this issue. My blood boils each time. They can shove that petition up their holes.

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Old March 6th, 2010, 04:38 PM   #83
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+1 in saying FUCK OFF

These archaic assholes have no place in reasonable society. If they were talking about interracial marraige this would be branded as hate-speech. The double standards of morality they impose on themselves and others are sickening. All this talk of natural law is fucking rich, especially considering the way the church conducts itself. Hypocrites to the last, frantic over such petty issues that affect only others and not themselves. I pity them. I look forward to the church here dying a small unimportant death.

Have to agree viking, fcking pathetic rag... /rant
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Old March 7th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #84
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+2 in the oul Fuck off. and +1 to Saoró
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Old March 7th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #85
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Careful now......if the Catholic Stasi become aware of this thread they will have you all charged with blasphemy.
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Old March 7th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #86
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Careful now......if the Catholic Stasi become aware of this thread they will have you all charged with blasphemy.
Something I would take great pleasure out of, to be honest. :P
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Old March 7th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #87
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Nice one! ;-) my sentiments entirely
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Old May 5th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #88
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I'm voting NO, I don't hate homosexuals I feel sorry for them. It's a mental illness and their behavior is sexually disorded, These deviants are the real haters. . They need help to get over their addiction to sexual perversion and not special rights! !
Right as a psychology student i cant let this shit pass... Homosexuality is not a disorder or a mental ilness. It's a part of the natural scale of human sexulaity. Homosexuality was included as a mental illness in the earliest diagnostic manuals but after exhaustive research (Kinsey and Hooker especially) detailing how it is neither a mental disorder nor does it cause/is cause by deviancy it was removed diagnostic manuals in 1968.
That seems pretty emphatic to me and unless Leviticus has been commissioned to do an in-depth qualitative longitudinal study i can't see that changing. So now you know this I hope you realise that just because you want something to be true doesnt mean it is.

Secondly, not only are you getting a psychology lesson you're getting a bible lesson too... Listen up now you might learn something.

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Jesus has already done that and he has called their freely chosen lifestyle an abomination worthy of death!
Absolutely, yes it does say that in the bible. Leviticus again [18.22] An abomination - but here's another few things.
Surely as a good christian person you could tell me about how it's not immoral to sell you youngest daughter into slavery Exodus 21.7 - what do you think i'd get for here, probably more down south here except with all these filthy gays running around i cant really find a buyer, what do you suggest i do?

Maybe it's because she's eaten a few full breakfasts in her time, shes not fat or anything though, but leviticus does say that touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean... perhaps thats my problem.. [11.7]

Are we learning yet??
Also one last thing, check some of your clothes, see if any of them contain a cotton blend or if they're made of two different threads.. you might be overdue to be burnt in a small family gathering and that would mean you're as damned as all those you say you despise..

Im not a Christian nor do i believe in God but I despise it when people use the faith of others to justify the things they hate. The vast majority of irish people are in favour of this and the vast of them are believers...


My banana dances for gay rights

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Old May 5th, 2010, 02:15 AM   #89
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+1 for the fuck off Catholic church.

Natural Law, is it natural to rape a child. Christ on a bike it makes me feel my duty is to be blasphemous.

Group on facebook by the way you guys might be interested in.

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Old May 5th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #90
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Well said! Hate tends to follow ignorance, most people who say they hate gays don't know any, and I don't know how another persons sexuality affects me.

I wish the bible said something useful like "buy dRNk SanTA's magic beans or Jesus will haunt your house"
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Old May 6th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #91
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Excellent reply Thefancydanhimself.

I have no notion whatsoever of why people like XenonII bother to waste their time "feeling sorry" for gays, it seems to me that people who have such strong feelings about another persons love interest must have more than a vested interest...

He sounds like a psychologist's wet dream to be honest.

And as far as I can see, everyone from the whole of Ireland is in favour, bar 2 from the north and 2 from the south. The rest are from around the world. Up north there were a few teething problems with the introduction of civil unions for same sex relationships, but I haven't heard any mention of it in years. Perhaps there are people about who object to allowing a loving same sex couple to concrete their relationship and obtain the same rights as mixed sex marriages, but who cares? - you can't please everyone.

Does anyone know why it is taking so long for the Irish law to be pushed through? Is it seen as a traditional vote loser in already turbulent times? Labour pushed through a lot of their more progressive laws in the UK within Tony Blair's final term - gay unions and extended rights, decriminalisation of cannabis, etc. However Gordon Brown soon clawed back the cannabis law when he started to face trouble.

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Old May 6th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #92
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Psychologists wet dream???

Nah, Shits like him are 10 a penny. But vested interests are a possibility... Remember reading a study before about the seriously violent anti-gay men where they showed them gay porn and measured the amount sexual arousal (no need for details how) and found that the, basically gay-bashers, were WAY more aroused by it than normal hetrosexuals..
Came to mind when i read this.


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Anti-gay US pastor took rent boy on holiday
A baptist minister who is one of America's leading opponents of gay rights, and who believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be "cured", found himself with some serious explaining to do yesterday after he was photographed at Miami airport with a male prostitute he had hired to join him on a European holiday.

George Alan Rekers, a middle-aged co-founder of the right-wing Family Research Council, admitted taking the 20-year-old on a 10-day trip to London and Madrid in March.

Rekers met the sex worker on the website www.rentboy.com, where he appears under the alias “Lucien” and claims to be “sensual,” “wild” and “up for anything”.

Rekers, who has appeared as an expert witness in court cases challenging gay adoption, denied having sex with his travelling companion. He had hired Lucien to help carry his luggage, he told reporters, and only found out that he was a prostitute on the trip.

“I had surgery and I can't lift luggage,” Rekers told the Miami New Times. “That's why I hired him.” He declined to say why he had secured bag-carrying services through rentboy.com.

Rekers also neglected to explain what had drawn him to Lucien, who has long blond hair and well developed muscles in pictures on the website.
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That would have been an interesting study lol.

It makes me wonder how many gay Skyscrapercity posters there are in the Irish forum? I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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That would have been an interesting study lol.

It makes me wonder how many gay Skyscrapercity posters there are in the Irish forum? I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #96
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Old May 14th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #98
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I don't think they should have full marriage rights but some sort of civil partnership seems appropriate. It is one thing bending the rules to suit different groups but tbh if you claim to be a member of a club, in this case Catholicism, you have to accept the rules as they stand - or simply don't be Catholic until the Catholic Church changes the rules. Lobby from the outside.


Also the poll with this thread includes probrably the most rediculous description for options I have come across yet on this forum. If you don't except full marriage rights for Gay people your a "bigot"? - And if you do you are "modern and against bigotry"? - Not exactly impartial.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 03:33 PM   #99
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I don't think they should have full marriage rights but some sort of civil partnership seems appropriate. It is one thing bending the rules to suit different groups but tbh if you claim to be a member of a club, in this case Catholicism, you have to accept the rules as they stand - or simply don't be Catholic until the Catholic Church changes the rules. Lobby from the outside.


Also the poll with this thread includes probrably the most rediculous description for options I have come across yet on this forum. If you don't except full marriage rights for Gay people your a "bigot"? - And if you do you are "modern and against bigotry"? - Not exactly impartial.
No one is asking the 'catholic club' to bend or change any rules... Nobody expects any religious institution be it christian, muslim or jewish to do something they don't want to do.

I'm from a Church of Ireland background (with a bit of norwegian lutheranism and catholicism), but I consider myself agnostic. What the 'Catholic Club' you speak about do is of little importance to my life.

However, I am Irish and a citizen of the Republic of Ireland, and I expect the laws of our country to reflect the views of the majority of its citizens...


EDIT: I might actually qualify/contradict that last part of my post by saying that if the majority of citizens held discriminatory views I would hope that our legislator's would have the good sense to fight against it, but in this case it is irritating that the government is acting in cowardice as usual.
The civil partnership bill is merely piece-meal that perpetuates inequality in our society, which is a poor result for Ireland for the sake of placating the more vociferous conservative minority.

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It should be put to the people in a referendum. If they want it fair enough, if they don't want it fair enough.
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