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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:23 AM   #241
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Is there any map with traffic volumes for Estonia? I think that would answer many questions. Motorways are, of course, cool but like Chris said it's all about the traffic volumes.
http://www.mnt.ee/atp/failid/2009_aa...ulemused_9.pdf

You have to use "save link as", as opening it doesn't work (by me).
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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:34 AM   #242
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Is there any map with traffic volumes for Estonia? I think that would answer many questions. Motorways are, of course, cool but like Chris said it's all about the traffic volumes.
It's a map of traffic volumes on main Estonian roads from last year - http://www.mnt.ee/atp/failid/2009_aa...ulemused_9.pdf

And traffic around some bigger towns - http://www.mnt.ee/atp/failid/2009_aa...emused_102.pdf


Newly built 2+2 expressways in Estonia are actually enough for the traffic density we have as these are also without level crossings and have a good network of feeder roads and so on. All the current bigger road projects are also co-financed by EU. There is just no need for expressway network across Estonia as we have only little bit more than 1 million people for a country same size like Netherlands or Switzerland.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #243
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More important is the population density. With only few large cities,there isn't much to be connected with motorways. Only few roads would need to be motorways,probably most needed one is Tallinn-Tartu route - due to it's dangerous spots & stupid drivers,it would really benefit from being 2+2 lane motorway (or even a expressway) Need for Tallinn-Pärnu and Tallinn-Narva routes to be motorways is minimal,despite being important route connecting EU with Russia.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 03:15 PM   #244
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http://www.mnt.ee/atp/?id=3538

You can find an English-language PDF about the Saaremaa fixed link, a planned bridge (or tunnel) from Virtsu to the Saaremaa island (technically Humu island). Quite interesting material. In the long term, a bridge is cheaper than the ferry because the increase of traffic causes government subsidies to rise much faster than the income from ferry tickets. It will most likely be a toll bridge (€ 7).

(somehow these direct PDF links from mnt.ee don't work here).
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Old May 16th, 2010, 05:56 PM   #245
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I just can't, can't, and can't believe to upper post that 40% of estonian roads are unpaved! What the hell with that, in that case, even Albania has better network!
Estonia has the largest mileage of roads per 1000 people in Europe. It is so because of how our villages have developed. Villages are usually very small and houses are placed far apart from each other. This creates a need for a large amount of roads but doesn't create much traffic. There isn't much point in paving a road that runs in the middle of the forest and carries less than 100 cars a day. There are thousands of kilometres of gravel roads in Finland too, that doesn't necessarily mean that the road network is bad.

Here's a population density map of Estonia:
http://www.tempt.ee/uploads/2501_urban_tihedus.jpg

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Old May 16th, 2010, 06:07 PM   #246
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Yep. To compare: Estonia has 1.3 million inhabitants and about 60,000 kilometers of road. The Netherlands has 16.5 million inhabitants and 120,000 kilometers of road. Albania on the other hand has only 18,00 kilometers of road.

to sum up;

paved roads:
Estonia 36,000 km
population: 1.3 million
36 people per paved km

Netherlands 110,000 km
population: 16.5 million
150 people per paved km

Albania: 12,000 km
populatioon: 3.2 million
267 people per paved km

DR Congo: 2,500 km
population: 66 million
26400 people per paved km

Quite a difference.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 11:18 AM   #247
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where did you get these data, any cumulative statistics for European countries? link?

btw, I asked these questions on a previous page without knowing this basic data that Estonia has only a little bit more than a million people! Yes, shame on me
But thought that Estonia got at least 3-4
thanks again everyone.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #248
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Same for Latvia, we have so many paved roads, sometimes you can travel 50km and meet not a single car on a road.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 08:36 PM   #249
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Tnx, Chris, for that link with information about Saaremaa bridge. I really dreamed about this at least in plans! (even though it doesn't work here as well, it is still a great proof that once there will appear permanent connection between continental Estonia and Saaremaa!)
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Old May 17th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #250
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If anyone's interested, there's a thorough 2009 Annual Report by Estonian Road Administration(in English). Again, you have to right click and "save as", otherwise it doesn't work. .
http://www.mnt.ee/atp/?id=42109
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Old May 17th, 2010, 10:03 PM   #251
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What baffles me about that Johvi-Kukruse junction is this: they built about 10 new viaducts and bridges in the countryside for the " farmers tractors" basically, yet the Estonian government wont subsidise or at least finance some part of the johvi railway viaduct, which is in the centre of the city...that viaduct can literally fall any day, as they already shortened it from 2 x 2 to 1 x 1 road. Just somethin I thought about.

I've driven on gravel roads all my life and I can assure you that there is nothing wrong with it, you only need time to get used to it...at least on a gravel road the driver is more aware, to avoid any potholes, whereas on the motorway he just sits back and steers the wheel
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Old May 17th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #252
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What baffles me about that Johvi-Kukruse junction is this: they built about 10 new viaducts and bridges in the countryside for the " farmers tractors" basically, yet the Estonian government wont subsidise or at least finance some part of the johvi railway viaduct, which is in the centre of the city...that viaduct can literally fall any day, as they already shortened it from 2 x 2 to 1 x 1 road. Just somethin I thought about.
The problem was that Jõhvi city council insisted on building a tunnel there but that would've required too much money. Now that the City Council has decided that they accept also other alternatives other than the tunnel, Estonian Road Administration decided to fund the renovation of the bridge and the Western bypass of Jõhvi with EEK 272 million(€ 17,4 million). Estonian Road Administration wants to re-route heavy trucks to bypass the town by the Western bypass. The City Council, however, doesn't think that a bypass would solve the traffic problems and believes a large interchange in the centre of the town with a new bridge over the railways would be a better solution.
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Old May 18th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #253
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^ Must admit that's a very typical situation here in Baltics! Hardly any small city's council would be interested in creating a bypass around its city/town due to the money they wouldn't manage to put in their pockets.. Also, for them bypasses are not a priority as the flow as they think would never rise and it's all pointless.. Just really old-thinking..
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 02:28 PM   #254
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Aerial of the Mäo bypass
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 02:51 PM   #255
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Google Earth:
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 03:10 PM   #256
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Layout of the Mäo bypass:
http://kaart.otsing.delfi.ee/index.p...Date=2010.5.22
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I wonder if that southern interchange is really necessary. It serves no traffic, only some forest roads that could also use the northern interchange.
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^ The road from that junction also goes to Mäo.

Kukruse-Jõhvi section construction on Tallinn-Narva highway is visible in these maps:
http://kaart.otsing.delfi.ee/index.p...Date=2010.5.22
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 08:14 PM   #259
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^ The road from that junction also goes to Mäo.
Which has.... 10 inhabitants?
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Well for some important reason they are building this junction.
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