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Old August 9th, 2010, 01:41 AM   #301
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Here's a picture series covering road number 11 -- Tallinn bypass.


Nice pictures! I especially liked them because I drove there a few months ago!

I noticed that the exit-panel looked like it was up-side-down compared to what I'm used to. It's interesting that these exit panels (or whatever the offical term is) are so different all over Europe. I guess that's what happens when a sign is not covered in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals...


(don't know why they turned up black and blue and not white and blue)
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Old August 9th, 2010, 07:33 AM   #302
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Kanterberg - good observation!

Actually, there are both types. Downward-pointing signs are blue-and-white; and if I remember correctly, this was originally the only option specified in traffic code. I guess the arrows are kind of trying to say "HERE is the divergence point"

Later revisions of the traffic code also added an upwards-pointing sign; this must be red-and-white.

Both types are seen on roads.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 07:35 AM   #303
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Nice pictures, but why are the roads so deserted?
It's early morning in the weekend
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Old August 9th, 2010, 07:49 AM   #304
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And the final part of Tallinn bypass series. We are at the point where Tallinn bypass briefly merges with Tallinn-Rapla road.




And having passed through the intersection, again a quick look back. Cool, there's another funny-arrow direction sign.



Boring forest again. Those brown signs with names on them mark historic parishes. As we say, Tunne oma kodumaad! ("Get to know your homeland")



Overpass and intersection with Tallinn-Saku road (11340). If you excuse me for a moment, I'll turn off the main route, since I know there is an funny sign on Saku road....



Aha, here it is. I wonder why the two sides are so different in size? Also, 1 / E20 is mislabelled as 1 / E67.



Back on road 11. Approaching interchange with 4 / E67. This is the famous full cloverleaf interchange, the only one we have.





On the other side. As you see, E265 designation has now appeared.




And behold - as Rebasepoiss mentioned previously, distance to Kapellskär!



Keila church appears ahead.



WHOA! There's a traffic island, on a highway, in the middle of my lane! What genius came up with that?!



We have arrived Keila, route 11 ends here. The road continues to Paldiski signposted with number 8.




And a view of Estonian countryside to conclude our tour.

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Old August 9th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #305
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I believe there are plans to reconstruct entire section as 2+2 with grade separated junctions
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Old August 9th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #306
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Indeed. And I see that construction of some junctions is supposed to begin in 2011 -- that would be great. (Road Administration has loads of materials: http://www.mnt.ee/atp/?id=2669 ) One thing though: speed limit is going to be 90 km/h
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Old August 9th, 2010, 11:19 PM   #307
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It's interesting that these exit panels (or whatever the offical term is) are so different all over Europe. I guess that's what happens when a sign is not covered in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals...
And that's if an exit marker resembles a "panel" at all. Exhibit 1: The, ahem... plastic buckets on French autoroutes

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The A51 near Grenoble:




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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #308
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Cool pics, good explanation, thanks! Nice to see that all this road is reconstructed and has quite soft pavement!
But are there any real plans to make a brand new at least 2x2 Tallinn bypass highway?
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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #309
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What does that Russian sign says, something like "National radio"? (Narodnoye Radio)

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^ Correct. But I'm impressed that it is a completely Russian-written billborad and that nothing is even duplicated in Estonian.. Don't you have a law there for the national language priorities etc.?
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Old August 10th, 2010, 12:29 PM   #311
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Khm...language laws are rather relaxed in Lasnamäe suburb (you should ask from our damn mayor why it is so after all,he started it with his Russian language political billboards)



@Grisent - nice tour,but why didn't you take any photos from highway overpass down towards Pärnu highway? (really good view)
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Old August 10th, 2010, 09:21 PM   #312
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^ Correct. But I'm impressed that it is a completely Russian-written billborad and that nothing is even duplicated in Estonian.. Don't you have a law there for the national language priorities etc.?
True. Law says billboards must be in Estonian; and may include a translation into foreign language, but only if Estonian is displayed first and at least as prominently.

So this is clearly a violation. But I am pretty sure fellow citizens have already reported it to Language Inspectorate; much smaller issues than that get noticed. (Their webpage and document registry is not very well searchable)

Also, it would be quite reasonable to believe that language inspectorate has already issued a precept; in that case, the radio station is either ignoring it, or paid the fine and left the billboard hanging

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"National radio"? (Narodnoye Radio)
Well... roughly, yes, but the meaning is slightly more like "People's Radio".

"National Radio" would be quite an outrage
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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #313
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But are there any real plans to make a brand new at least 2x2 Tallinn bypass highway?
In a nutshell -- yes; and Road Administration is cheerfully proclaiming that works will start already in 2011. It will be a 2x2 road, but will use current road corridor.

(And as I already mentioned, it is decided to keep speed limit at 90 km/h - due to frequent junctions and expected volume of commuter traffic. And the road will be built to 90 km/h...100 km/h standards, to keep costs reasonable. I guess it mostly concerns things like curve radius, longitudinal relief and visibility.)

Project scope is definitely staggering: twenty-two grade-separated junctions!! If fully implemented, it will surely take more than a decade. Costs are estimated at 6.2bn EEK (400m EUR), but for such a long timeline, feel free to factor in a significant increase.

First 2 objects to be constructed are grade-separated junctions with road 15 (Tallinn-Rapla) and road 11115 (Raudalu-Kiili).

Here's a "before & after" visualisation for 11 / 15 junction.

Before:


After:


Note that road 15 would be getting a completely new alignment. These guys are definitely not thinking small

(Source: project draft, http://www.mnt.ee/atp/doc.php?5288)

And intersection with road 11115...


will be replaced with this:


(Source: feasibility study commissioned by Road Administration, http://www.mnt.ee/atp/failid/Teostat...ng__l_ik_2.pdf)
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:35 PM   #314
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Oh yeah! Now that looks lovely! Great thing your road administration is not standing aside to help solving the traffic problems. This new road should definitely move at least a part of transit flow from Tallinn and would help implement new projects for the future motorways that would run from Tallinn in Southern and Northern directions.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #315
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Looks like we've finally found ourselves a highway photographer Thanks for the photos, Grisent!
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Any particular requests for photos?

Not that I could promise to fulfill them -- but who knows.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #317
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Construction updates are always welcome, for example. If you happen to drive by some construction works and manage to take photos, post them here .
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Old August 12th, 2010, 10:09 PM   #318
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Here are some pictures of the Old Riga Highway.
Map: http://tinyurl.com/3585k3e
I cant comment anything much on the pictures though.
1. Ikla
[IMG]http://i38.************/4vnw9s.jpg[/IMG]
2.
[IMG]http://i35.************/15mi8vb.jpg[/IMG]
3.
[IMG]http://i34.************/21onbt0.jpg[/IMG]
4.
[IMG]http://i33.************/11kxyqt.jpg[/IMG]
5.
[IMG]http://i38.************/28rgnj9.jpg[/IMG]
6.
[IMG]http://i33.************/95mn4p.jpg[/IMG]
7. Kabli
[IMG]http://i38.************/t0g1n8.jpg[/IMG]
8. Jaagupi
[IMG]http://i33.************/73josl.jpg[/IMG]
9. Viira
[IMG]http://i38.************/2s9p36o.jpg[/IMG]
10. Two roads, both leading to Haademeeste, i figured that the road on left works like a bypass for it.
[IMG]http://i38.************/5y7ns.jpg[/IMG]

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Old August 12th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #319
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Now heading back to Riga from Parnu.
4/E67
1. Parnu
[IMG]http://i33.************/2virvy1.jpg[/IMG]
2.
[IMG]http://i33.************/w0nbb7.jpg[/IMG]
3.Riga: 175km
Ikla: 57km
Haademeeste: 22km
Uulu: 9km
[IMG]http://i33.************/nbq4uq.jpg[/IMG]
4.
[IMG]http://i34.************/jqoxvk.jpg[/IMG]
5.
[IMG]http://i34.************/5w8i8.jpg[/IMG]
6.
[IMG]http://i33.************/5pljsy.jpg[/IMG]
7.
[IMG]http://i34.************/amfl9e.jpg[/IMG]
8.
[IMG]http://i36.************/25ksm14.jpg[/IMG]
9. EE/LV border
[IMG]http://i37.************/2rfai2q.jpg[/IMG]
10.
[IMG]http://i38.************/1zgt3xz.jpg[/IMG]

btw Are the buildings at border still used fro something?
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Old August 12th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #320
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^ I doubt it.. Rather to remind that once this used to a national border, but now it's all part of one huge union! Though, it was used when there happened NATO assembly meeting in Riga this year so that to check the cars, not even passports.
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