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Old February 25th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #761
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I still find it absolutely incredible that a country like Estonia does something like this. A fast charging station on Muhu island? Awesome.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #762
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Ecological? Seriously? Electricity production in Estonia is based overwhelmingly on oil shale, which is much less ecologically friendly than burning petrol in cars.

In 2002, about 97% of air pollution, 86% of total waste and 23% of water pollution in Estonia came from the power industry, which uses oil shale as the main resource for its power production.

Source: http://www.kirj.ee/public/oilshale/1_ed_page_2004_1.pdf
And? Electricity can be produced with no or very little ecological impact.

What about zero deposits of oil in Estonia and dependence on import of oil?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #763
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And? Electricity can be produced with no or very little ecological impact.
Yes, electricity can be produced with very little ecological impact, but the only option for cleanly meeting Estonia's electricity needs is nuclear, which is politically unpopular due to the mediocre safety record of 2nd generation nuclear plants.

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What about zero deposits of oil in Estonia and dependence on import of oil?
Estonia produces oil, but not enough to meet domestic needs.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #764
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Actually, Estonia will participate in the Lithuanian NPP project and our share will be around 300MW. Besides, next year Estonia will fully join the Nord Pool electric energy market and by 2014 the construction of Estlink 2 cable between Estonia and Finland will be finished, creating a 1000MW connection (together with Estlink 1) between Estonia and Finland. This will create the opportunity to buy electricity from several different sources.

BTW, those who receive the € 18,000 state support for buying an electric car are obliged to only use green electricity to charge their cars.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #765
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What is the total average electricity power demand of Estonia in MW?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #766
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At the current moment: Saturday evening, mild winter weather: 1050 MW
http://elering.ee/en/

And I found the news saying that last year renewable energy covered 13% of Estonia's electricity consumption: http://elering.ee/renewable-energy-r...n-consumption/

Anyways, this is getting way off-topic. So we'd better stop and return to discussing topics actually connected to roads and highways in Estonia.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #767
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Any chance that bridge to Saaremaa will be constructed? I've read an environmental report about it, but then not much more. Apparently it is cheaper to construct a toll bridge than to continue to subsidize the ferries.
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Old February 26th, 2012, 12:10 AM   #768
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It's a neverending battle between economical viability and environmental concerns. But some sort of decision should come from the government in the Ist quarter of 2012 so very soon.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #769
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Props to Tin_Can for the updates
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Small photo update of Ülemiste road junction construction. First set of viaduct support pillars has been completed next to Tartu mnt.



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Photo update of Ülemiste road junction construction. They've started filling tunnel sides & covering tunnels with soil. And catenary posts have been erected between Viadukti street and Ülemiste tunnels. There's also some wierd tunnel thingy U/C next to warehouses on Viadukti street. Can't remember that from detail plans...

Ditch has been dug through main railway dam further North of tunnels. Some water pipes and sewers are being built there. View from pedestrian crossing next to Filtri road. Click on the photo for larger view.
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That excavator was filling tunnel sides with soil.
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Check out the concrete pillar in the middle of two tunnels - it seems to be base for catenary post.
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You can see new catenary posts on the right - that's where the main railway line is located. Considering the work speed,traffic should be redirected back to main railway in May or in some time after that...
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Old March 7th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #770
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Road construction map for this year:

Bigger version:
http://www.mnt.ee/public/2012_remondiobjektid.pdf
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http://www.mnt.ee/public/Koopia_fail...iri_2012_.xlsx

Construction of Juuliku interchange, Kurna interchange and Väo-Jüri section of Tallinn ring road wont start before 2014.

Looks like Väo interchange construction wont start this year. Solution proposed by Tallinn authorities (this one: http://www.mnt.ee/public/projektidpl...0320154451.pdf) was said to be unsafe and too confusing for drivers, as the project was funded by a gas station owner, who pursued his own interest.

Kroodi interchange, stage 2 plans are available:
http://www.mnt.ee/public/projektidpl...iooniplaan.pdf

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Nope. No money for it.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #771
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Looks like Väo interchange construction wont start this year. Solution proposed by Tallinn authorities (this one: http://www.mnt.ee/public/projektidpl...0320154451.pdf) was said to be unsafe and too confusing for drivers, as the project was funded by a gas station owner, who pursued his own interest.
For crying out loud! Let's make a decent project for an interchange, then change it, then decide that the new version is unsafe and start working on another version. The f**k, really?! I have a feeling that this interchange won't be built before 2016 which is especially stupid since it was first planned to be opened in 2010 and now that Iru-Maardu section is completed, the lack of a proper intersection at T11 - T1 really shows.

It's fairly obvious, though, that construction won't start on other interchanges on Tallinn bypass since Luige interchange is already eating up quite a big chunk of finances. AFAIK, they are planning to develop Tallinn bypass step-by-step which practically means a new interchange every 3 years.

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Old March 7th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #772
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Nope. No money for it.
That's the advantage of a toll facility, it's independent of the government budget.
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Old March 19th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #773
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Estonian Road Administration is considering setting up an average speed check system based on the current (and future) speed cameras. Although this system is already being used in several other countries, the Estonian solution would be unique since it would implemented on regular 2x1 highways. A thorough analysis is currently being made to find out whether this sytem is suitable for Estonian road and traffic conditions. Some laws would also have to be changed in order to introduce this system.

(In Estonian): http://www.postimees.ee/776980/kaame...ahvist-paasta/
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The Netherlands has section control on three non-motorways (1x2 lanes).
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Old March 19th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #775
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OK. But I guess these roads are limited-access and grade separated?
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Old March 19th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #776
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We have three of them;

* N256 Zeeland Bridge, 1x2, no intersections, about 5 km
* N381 Wijnjewoude - Donkerbroek, 1x2 lanes, regular road, 5 km
* N919 Veenhuizen, 1x2 lanes, regular road, 3 km, reportedly inactive

So they do exist on regular two-lane roads, although not directly in urbanized areas.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 01:31 PM   #777
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In Belgium there are a few that cross villages even .
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Old March 20th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #778
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The comments are funny. Nobody wants to say they enjoy constant speeding, so they blame the government for being a money-grubbing scumbag. Real classy.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #779
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Not that I support their opinion but...often it actually is the case. Just last Sunday when driving from Tallinn to Tartu I saw 2 police patrols (catching speeders) and both of them were on the dual carriageway part, even though the weather was clear and the road dry. If that's not collecting money then I really don't know what it is. Mäo bypass is the safest place to overtake slow drivers on this highway and that's where the police decide to measure speed. Last year I saw the police measuring speed on a dual carriageway 2 days before the speed limit was raised from 90km/h to 110km/h. I really really would like to see variable speed limits in Estonia, at least on dual carriageways. It's absurd to be forced to drive 90km/h on a 2x2 highway when its 15C and sunny outside.

I can accept average speed cameras IF they implement this sytem on rather long stretches of highway, otherwise nobody will dare to overtake trucks or other slow cars any more.
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Only time I was caught in Estonia (and pulled over) was when I drove 111 on a stretch of 90kph 100m before a sign increasing the speed to 110kph...

This discussion however is about speed cameras and the ones that are on Tartu maantee are quite well placed in my opinion, mostly in dangerous spots.
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