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Old June 27th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #821
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Are there any plans for a real motorway in Estonia in the coming years? And are there any expressway's in Estonia?
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Old June 27th, 2012, 05:23 PM   #822
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No and no.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #823
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Can anyone tell, why we don't have 100km/h speed signs this year? I see only 90 and 110.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #824
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How did you miss it?
http://www.postimees.ee/821822/liikl...listel-teedel/
http://www.postimees.ee/823040/riigi...kohati-110km-h
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Old June 27th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #825
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Oh, I don't read local news so often. Thank you for links.
And, by the way, I hate them...
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #826
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We all do.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #827
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Then what's with the roads with 11km/h speed limit? Aren't they expressway's?
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #828
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No. You just have a 110km/h speed limit and that's it. Theoretically all kinds of vehicles and even pedestrians are allowed to use it, although newer projects discourage this with light-traffic viaducts, side roads etc.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 10:44 PM   #829
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No. You just have a 110km/h speed limit and that's it. Theoretically all kinds of vehicles and even pedestrians are allowed to use it, although newer projects discourage this with light-traffic viaducts, side roads etc.
Thanks for clearing this up. And since im on a question spree - There arent planned any high speed roads even in 2014-2020 planning period?
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:39 PM   #830
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No and no.
That surprised me. I think the Baltic countries should recieve more EU support. Poland and Romenia are building tons of new (rail) road with the help of the EU.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #831
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Traffic volumes in the Baltics are very low outside the cities. Very few routes warrant an upgrade to a full motorway. I think the Baltics should adopt a Sweden-style road network with 2+1 lanes and grade-separation.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #832
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The 2014-2020 period is still very uncertain as the the amount of funds that will be available to us is unknown.

About building motorways in Estonia: It's an intentional choice by Estonian Road Administration not to build motorways but rather 2x2 highways. There are several reasons for this. The first is low traffic density even on most 2x2 sections, the second is that motorways have significantly higher requirements on intersections, lighting; motorways need additional side roads for slower vehicles and pedestrians, they also need a higher level of winter maintenance etc - all that increases cost. So their goal is more km of 2x2 highways rather than less km of motorway-standard roads.
IMO it's not a very good choice since our new 2x2 highway projects are already very expensive with rather high standards and it wouldn't take much to upgrade these to motorways. I do hope that in the future it will happen but up to this point nobody has even talked about this.
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Traffic volumes in the Baltics are very low outside the cities. Very few routes warrant an upgrade to a full motorway. I think the Baltics should adopt a Sweden-style road network with 2+1 lanes and grade-separation.
One section of E67 has already been chosen to test the 2+1 configuration in Estonian conditions. The problem with building 2+1 roads in Estonia is that even our main highways don't have limited-access which means that every house adjacent to the highway has access to it. With 2+1 roads you have a barrier in the middle which prevents left turns from and to these plots, not to mention in would be a traffic hazard.

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Old June 29th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #833
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2+1 lanes
Hmm question:
Wouldn't it be better if you have equal number of lanes on both directions?

Just asking
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Old June 29th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #834
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better? YES. Cheaper? NO
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Old June 29th, 2012, 11:28 PM   #835
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2+1 means there is an alternating passing lane. These provide safe passing, good flow, but are generally only useful on grade-separated stretches and if traffic volumes do not exceed 20.000 - 25.000 vehicles per day. Which means you find these on less important routes in central/western/southern Europe, or main roads in northern Europe where the traffic volumes are not high enough to warrant a full motorway.

2+1 can also be used as phase I for a full standard motorway. 2+1 fits on one carriageway of a motorway. But you need to make overpasses and bridges wide enough to accomodate a future widening, which is generally so expensive it makes more sense to construct a motorway at once.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #836
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I was driving from Tallinn to Narva and back last week and it looks like 2X2 highway is being extended in that direction. Will it go all the way to Narva some time soon?

By the way what exactly would be gained by upgrading it to a true motorway standard? Extra 10 or 20 km/h?
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Old July 8th, 2012, 06:34 AM   #837
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I was driving from Tallinn to Narva and back last week and it looks like 2X2 highway is being extended in that direction. Will it go all the way to Narva some time soon?
Not in this decade.

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By the way what exactly would be gained by upgrading it to a true motorway standard? Extra 10 or 20 km/h?
That's a political question. There is no way to know the answer.
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 08:08 PM   #838
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Viitna bypass on T1/E20 has now been finished. It's not officially open yet so the speed limit is still 90km/h not 110km/h but pretty much everything is done. I drove there today and it looks really good.
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 08:30 PM   #839
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 08:35 PM   #840
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Unfortunately no pics I was driving and I didn't feel comfortable taking photos with my DSLR camera. Hopefully we'll see some photos when it officially opens.
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