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Old July 4th, 2009, 09:32 AM   #241
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3x3 all the way to Jelgava and Skulte but not to much more congested Ogre or Sigulda directions?
In our current plans these sections will be 4-laned.

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Is that because you live there?
It's because the traffic is sick there at mornings and evenings.

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Besides there are always foreign politics, no Latvian politician will approve building multimillion Moscow motorway before we have decent connection with central/western Europe.
Really? Moscow motorway will be the first one that get's built.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 10:44 AM   #242
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I absolutely agree! Actually Russia is highly interested in transit through Latvia, so this motorway will be financed also by their government and I don't find any real reasons why shouldn't we have a good connection with them? On July 29th this issue will be resolved, we'll see.. But anyway this highway is one big perspective and priority for all Latvia!!
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Old July 4th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #243
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On 29th of July there will be a meeting of Latvian-Russian intergovernmental commission, during which a proposal of new highway (Riga-Ergli-border) will be discussed. The entire project is estimated at 170 million lats (300 million euros).
Is that E22 route? I heard that motorway construction Tīnūži-Koknese will start this year (fingers crossed).
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Old July 4th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #244
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I know that A13 has low traffic, as I said, mostly trucks use this road for transit to Russia and truckers drive through Latvia instead of Belarus, so we have a priority.
Look again at Terehova and Grebņeva please.
http://www.lad.lv/LV/PC/PageImages/Original/1334.jpg
Transit from Europe to Russia is laughable small. Even Liepāja directions deserves motorway more than Moscow.

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Really? Moscow motorway will be the first one that get's built.
Nonsense. Jelgava motorway project is already completed, upgrade works for current highway to bring it up to the motorways standards already begun in 2007 while Moscow or any other Russia direction "motorways" are not even on drawing boards.

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I absolutely agree! Actually Russia is highly interested in transit through Latvia
Actually they aren't, that's way they are rushing their new port construction in Finnish bay.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #245
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Nonsense. Jelgava motorway project is already completed, upgrade works for current highway to bring it up to the motorways standards already begun in 2007
Bring up to motorway standarts? Lol. Did you saw my pictures? They only improved black spots by traffic-lights, built pedestrian bridges with bus stops and made even more U-turns. Riga-Jelgava motorway construction will only start after 4 years.

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while Moscow or any other Russia direction "motorways" are not even on drawing boards.
http://www.lad.lv/LV/Download/?t=pagefile&i=375 (PDF format)
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #246
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You forget kilometres of shiny new crash-barriers and several pedestrian bridges.


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That is Rīga-Koknese part of new Daugavpils highway alternative.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:29 PM   #247
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You forget kilometres of shiny new crash-barriers
They are installing or changing old ones on all main roads in Latvia.

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and several pedestrian bridges.
Only two. But tell me, why did make new U-turns, traffic-lights? Your "upgrade works for current highway to bring it up to the motorways standards already begun in 2007" didn't make any new 2-level junctions.

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That is Rīga-Koknese part of new Daugavpils highway alternative.
Or should we call it the Moscow highway. Check even the map above, a motorway is planned to RUS border until 2025.
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They are installing or changing old ones on all main roads in Latvia.
IMO on such high rates like on A8

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did make new U-turns, traffic-lights? Your "upgrade works for current highway to bring it up to the motorways standards already begun in 2007" didn't make any new 2-level junctions.
Temporary relative cheap (if compared to 2 level junctions) solutions to improve traffic safety. Jaunolaine was one of darkest spots in Latvia when it comes to pedestrian safety. There are some complex issues with obtaining land for 2 level junctions near Olaine, whole process might take years, that's why they chose to build simple street level crossings with traffic lights first.

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Or should we call it the Moscow highway.
Yeah, when they will draw remaining 750 km

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Old July 4th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #249
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Look again at Terehova and Grebņeva please.
http://www.lad.lv/LV/PC/PageImages/Original/1334.jpg
Transit from Europe to Russia is laughable small. Even Liepāja directions deserves motorway more than Moscow.
Nah, don't forget most freeways in Europe and North America were build 50 years ago when traffic was also small. And they're very useful now.

Granted, border traffic will not jump into the 20.000's soon, but long term planning is also important.
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I agree here, we will need to build motorway to Russia in distant future. But I don't believe that any Moscow direction motorway must be top priority which should be "built first" like some of forumers here are arguing. First priority for Latvian government must be guaranteeing decent roads for Latvian citizens in regions not some mystical "European transit to Russia".
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Old July 4th, 2009, 02:51 PM   #251
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I agree with you! And I don't believe that a motorway to Russia is our top priority now either, I said only that the first motorway will be built in that direction and that's Tīnūži-Koknese part, other parts will come in the future. About A13, I didn't say we must build it now, I said that this route must be added to motorway plans too.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #252
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Well, we can debate here about whether it is reasonable to build a motorway to Russian border, but anyway it's us who decides! If during the intergovernmental meeting this proposal will be highly evaluated, then we can be sure that we'll have our first motorway! Though no idea about work start.. Moreover, Tīnūži-Koknese will speed up drastically after the meeting, I believe!
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Old July 6th, 2009, 01:16 PM   #253
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Expressway inside of Riga City - Riga Northern Transport Corridor. 3+3 lanes, designed speed 110 km/h. Length - approximately 30 km. Project costs - not named as the prices currently are changing furiously (falling).
Project in a way will serve as the second, more busy half of Riga ringroad.

Divided in 4 segments.
1st segment - draft design coming to and end in few weeks time.
2nd segment - draft design on-going. This segment includes 1,1 km tunnel under cemetery and a new Daugava Crossing which so far has been planned either as a 53 m high bridge or tunnel. Due to these two structures this segment takes up to 50 - 60% of total project costs - project currently is reconsidered and cheaper options are sought.
3rd and 4th segment - draft design due to start in 1 month time.
Extensive traffic, city development and financial investigations have been done as well.

Draft design stage might end in two years time. At the end of design stage financial capabilities and price tags will be reassessed in order to decide the speed of project development. We simply have to look - how feels Latvia at that moment and when there is good market situation to start a PPP project.

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Probably one of the most important projects in Riga.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 02:00 PM   #256
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Probably one of the most important projects in Riga.
And in Latvia too.

5 large port development projects in Riga are more important - each of them separately, if successful, is able to drag out Latvia of its current economical quagmire. But these are not highway projects (this thread is about highways).
Northern Corridor, as a service road, can help to these port projects a lot.
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Why will there be so many motorways/expressways in and around Riga?
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Gatis, thanks for such large and clear version of the whole project! Yep, this development is of country's scale!
Btw, how the things are going with Seaside Magistral? Will it be started along with construction of Northern Corridor?
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Old July 7th, 2009, 11:58 AM   #259
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This one is really important project. It's great to hear, that designed speed will be 110 km/h so traffic flow should be really high
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Why will there be so many motorways/expressways in and around Riga?
Density of double-carriageway roads in Riga metropolitan region could be one of the lovest in the world for cities of such size.
Currently am preparing an investigation about this for this autumn world city development congress in Porto.

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Btw, how the things are going with Seaside Magistral? Will it be started along with construction of Northern Corridor?
Seaside Magistral is put on faraway and semi-forgotten shelf and is covered with dust. This project won't surface in coming 20 years... except for unlikely case when Riga becomes a very rich and important metropolis in few years time.
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