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Old October 1st, 2015, 10:22 AM   #1961
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Works on A2/E77.

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Old October 6th, 2015, 03:03 PM   #1962
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from Latvian highway thread in N&B section.

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A1 Svētciems-Salacgrīva.









Bridge over river Svētupe. This is the red year for Latvian bridges!


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Old October 6th, 2015, 08:29 PM   #1963
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Interesting choice of road design with wide unpaved shoulders.

Also, that red on the bridge railings looks absolutely gorgeous.
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Old October 6th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #1964
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Interesting choice of road design with wide unpaved shoulders.
I like it. It preserves a solid shoulder so a driver wouldn't lose control as easy when he inadvertently gets off the road, but at the same time it doesn't encourage dangerous overtaking like you see on many wide single carriageways (people passing trucks in both directions at the same time).
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Old October 6th, 2015, 09:25 PM   #1965
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Since a part of the road is in a town (Svētciems), that wide shoulder might also be for pedestrians.







As always, Latvians are the ones in the Baltics who don't give a damn about safe pedestrian infrastructure—even on Via Baltica—and just make hi-vis vests mandatory as a cheaper alternative
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Old October 6th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #1966
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Well, we did build a 150m long pedestrian/bycicle path on P97 this week.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #1967
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P5/E22 repaving. (map)

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Old October 9th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #1968
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A9 pavement reconstruction 39,0-60,0km (21,0km), Cost: 8 093 509 EUR, Deadline: December 2015 (map)

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Old October 10th, 2015, 03:30 AM   #1969
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I like it. It preserves a solid shoulder so a driver wouldn't lose control as easy when he inadvertently gets off the road, but at the same time it doesn't encourage dangerous overtaking like you see on many wide single carriageways (people passing trucks in both directions at the same time).
gravel shoulder is dangerous, if driver hits brakes or does something inadvertently sudden, can lose control of the car.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 01:54 AM   #1970
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gravel shoulder is dangerous, if driver hits brakes or does something inadvertently sudden, can lose control of the car.
Relative to an asphalt shoulder, yes, a gravel shoulder is somewhat more dangerous. However, relative to no shoulder, a gravel shoulder is safer. In either case, the left tires normally stay on the asphalt -- at least until the speed is below about 10 kmh.

The right way to approach the problem is by comparing all the ways that statistical lives can be saved by spending the taxpayer's money. For example, installing median barriers might cost 1 million euro per statistical life saved, adding a gravel shoulder might cost 2 million euro per statistical life saved, adding an asphalt shoulder might cost 2.5 million euro per statistical life saved, and adding more police might cost 6 million euro per statistical life saved. Cancer research will have another price. Of course, the numbers might be completely different. The point is the methodology. Saying that one thing is safer than another without considering the cost does not indicate a logical policy choice.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 01:41 PM   #1971
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I like it. It preserves a solid shoulder so a driver wouldn't lose control as easy when he inadvertently gets off the road, but at the same time it doesn't encourage dangerous overtaking like you see on many wide single carriageways (people passing trucks in both directions at the same time).
That's why I find it surprising. Latvia has and is still AFAIK building roads with wide paved shoulders, including on the A1.
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Old October 12th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #1972
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A9: Overpass over the railway repairs, 38,7km, Cost: 1 575 423 EUR, Deadline: October 2015 (map)

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Old October 13th, 2015, 09:18 AM   #1973
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Latvia has and is still AFAIK building roads with wide paved shoulders, including on the A1.
You are wrong. That's only periodic maintenance that can be seen on A1. There are no newly built/reconstructed roads with wide shoulders. That's bad actually because I don't see anything wrong with them. If people behave then this kind of road works well but if people act like morons then even dual carriageway won't stop them from endangering other drivers.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:20 AM   #1974
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I meant that wide shoulders have been reconstructed on the A1 before. But what about elsewhere? Is Latvia still using wide paved shoulders?
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Old October 13th, 2015, 03:23 PM   #1975
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Only A1 and A7 have wide paved shoulders and no new roads with them are planned to be built. In fact, there are plans to get rid of them, though I agree with Jevpls, if people behave these roads work very great. I have never encountered any dangerous situation on these roads really, if anything, they are alot safer than standart roads with gravel shoulders.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #1976
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I haven't heard about SERIOUS plans of getting rid of such roads. Yeah, after serious accidents there is always crying that "these roads kill people" but such accidents happen everywhere. For example, there was one nasty accident - fatal for a few people on A7. Wide shoulders were blamed but that accident happened in a place where was road with usual shoulders (wide shoulders started only some kilometers after that place) - so sometimes information on media is BS.
Lets take an example - A1 section Riga-Saulkrasti. I understand that dual carriageway is the solution for this case but I don't expect it soon (lack of funding). Very high traffic and I can't imagine how this road could be without those wide shoulders...

Like Makaveli said, there are only 2 roads that have wide shoulders. A1 (~55-60 km) and A7 (~40 km).
The new P80 (E22) was planned as 14m road with wide shoulders. Thanks to some wise minds, that idea was killed and now you see gravel shoulders instad. On Fridays wide shoulders could be very useful...
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #1977
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The planned 2+1 roads in Estonia will have a paved width of 14.5 metres which is pretty much the same. I personally prefer 2+1 roads over 1.5+1.5 roads since they are much safer and still allow for easy overtaking.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #1978
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2+1 roads have some advantages and some disadvantages as well. The situation is the same as with concrete roads - theoretically they are good but somehow European country try to get rid of them (except Poland). The same with 2+1. Once I had some information from our Nordic neighbouring countries about 2+1 roads. A few years later many of them weren't 2+1 anymore.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 04:17 PM   #1979
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A9 pavement reconstruction, 24,4-38,18km (13,78km), Cost: 13 698 712 EUR, Deadline: February 2016 (map)

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Old October 16th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #1980
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A2/E77 pavement reconstruction, 15,4-25,5km (10,1km), Cost: 14 951 727 EUR, Deadline: August 2016 (map)

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