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Old April 20th, 2010, 06:11 PM   #421
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France and several other countries (Portugal, Spain?) also have similar restrictions. I also don't think it's smart, you really learn how to drive after you get your license (driving experience), and speed restrictions are not helping with that.
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Old April 20th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #422
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There are restrictions for drivers with less than 2 years driving experience: 70 km/h on regular roads and 90 km/h on motorways.
Do you need a 70/90 km/h sticker on the back?
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Old April 20th, 2010, 07:15 PM   #423
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France and several other countries (Portugal, Spain?) also have similar restrictions. I also don't think it's smart, you really learn how to drive after you get your license (driving experience), and speed restrictions are not helping with that.
But do you know, do the beginner drivers have to use some kind of sign to indicate they're beginners? In Estonia we use this sign :
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Old April 20th, 2010, 08:10 PM   #424
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We got these ones too 2 years ago we got signs 70 sticked on the back of car, but now we have maple leaf symbol on back of car
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Old April 20th, 2010, 08:12 PM   #425
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We got these ones too 2 years ago we got signs 70 sticked on the back of car, but now we have maple leaf symbol on back of car
That's cool! I thought Estonia was the only one using them. We have been using this sign for years.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 11:37 AM   #426
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I do not understand the layout of this sign; The left arrow do not make sence to me. How does this intersection really look like, is it grade separated? The colour green tells my that it is, but the left arrow confuses me badly (Unless it is a rather strange way of signposting a U turn intersection, but then again I am confused by the colour )
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:05 PM   #427
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It's not grade separated U-Turn. There 2 or 3 of them on A2 motorway near Panevėžys city. Traffic volumes there are quite low, but still strange to see such sign. Speed is limited there to 110 km/h for a stretch with U-Turn, but still such thing should not exist on motorway.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 12:28 AM   #428
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It's not grade separated U-Turn. There 2 or 3 of them on A2 motorway near Panevėžys city. Traffic volumes there are quite low, but still strange to see such sign. Speed is limited there to 110 km/h for a stretch with U-Turn, but still such thing should not exist on motorway.
There still are a few on the A1 between Vilnius and Kaunas (albeit, it doesn't have the motorway status). Not sure about the stretch between Kaunas and Klaipeda. Are there any non grade-separated U turns there? I think this bad practice should be abolished. It was allright 30 years ago (when those roads were built) with less than 50 cars per 1000 population... but now?
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 12:46 AM   #429
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There still are a few on the A1 between Vilnius and Kaunas (albeit, it doesn't have the motorway status). Not sure about the stretch between Kaunas and Klaipeda. Are there any non grade-separated U turns there? I think this bad practice should be abolished. It was allright 30 years ago (when those roads were built) with less than 50 cars per 1000 population... but now?
But as far as the sign itself, it's OK. It tells drivers exactly what's going on.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 11:04 AM   #430
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Yes, I think 3 U-Turns on Vilnius-Kaunas stretch. As far as I remember there are already no 1 level U-Turns on Kaunas-Klaipėda, because road administration removed them (if I'm not mistaken, but I don't remember any when I drove on March).
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 03:17 AM   #431
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But do you know, do the beginner drivers have to use some kind of sign to indicate they're beginners? In Estonia we use this sign :
almost like these
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 04:47 PM   #432
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Yes, I think 3 U-Turns on Vilnius-Kaunas stretch. As far as I remember there are already no 1 level U-Turns on Kaunas-Klaipėda, because road administration removed them (if I'm not mistaken, but I don't remember any when I drove on March).
The only one is only few kilometers from Kaunas, to Giraitė...
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 04:54 PM   #433
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I wonder if there are any plans to get rid of them completely on a1 and A2?
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 06:29 PM   #434
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The only one is only few kilometers from Kaunas, to Giraitė...
You mean this one?

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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:44 AM   #435
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Time for some road reports from the land of Lithuania. Holidays well spent

I am preparing photo reports from a number of roads including A1, A2, A9, A11, A13, A15, A16 as well as some stretches of national roads 149 and 150

Starting with a stretch of the A9 (E272) from Šiauliai towards Panevėžys


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Stretch from Šiauliai to about 52km towards Panevėžys

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A9 (part of E272 which connects Klaipėda and Vilnius via Šiauliai and Panevėžys) connects Šiauliai and Panevėžys which are 4th and 5th largest cities in Lithuania respectivelly. The road is also used by all traffic going from Panevėžys and further Eastern towns in Lithuania and Latvia to Palanga and Klaipėda seaport in the West which makes it a busy, stressful, dangerous and, above all, inadequate road packed with "70km/h" speed limits, sharp turns, villages, one level junctions and other oddities which make it one of the least pleasant drives in Lithuania.

Traffic intensity is about 10000 vehicles per day. Currently the stretch betwen Šiauliai and town of Radviliškis (about 15km) is being reconstructed to a 2+2 road without one level junctions.




Starting in Šiauliai
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Official city limit of Šiauliai followed by a small suburb town Aleksandrija
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After leaving Šiauliai. Normally this road is more busy but due to reconstruction works large part of the traffic goes via alternate route (national roads 149 and 150)
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Note the gravel roadsides. This was the practice maintained in the Soviet times and for some reason it's still maintained in the older (or even some newer) roads in Lithuania. I have no idea why this is happening because I have never seen anything like this elsewhere in Europe. It doesn't look practical at all and, above all, may be dangerous. And this is one of the busiest A roads in the country!
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Information sign in a distance which informs about the roadworks that are taking place in the stretch all the way to Radviliškis town
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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:46 AM   #437
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The stretch that is currently under reconstruction
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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #438
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The road will be converted to what in Lithuania is called "1st category road" which means a 2+2 road but a step below the motorway (in Lith. "AM Category road"). This is an odd classification because this means that the road will be a 2+2 and one category below a motorway but does not necessarily mean that it will be an expressway. Even though expressway is also classified under the "1st category". I guess such oddities are a comfortable excuse for the planners to avoid building under stricter standards which would later mean higher speed limit (110km/h) for drivers who will now (most probably) have to stick to the standard 90km/h as for any other non-urban road.

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Approaching a railway bridge...
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They will have to put 4 3.5m wide lanes+2 hard shoulders+median/fences under those two columns. Of course it would make sense to reconstruct the entire bridge but for some reason I have a feeling this is not going to happen. I guess they will cut the hard shoulders... that's cheaper than to change the bridge after all.
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Approaching Radviliškis which is about 17km from Šiauliai
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End of roadworks
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The road in Radviliškis was reconstructed recently and is a 2+2 urban road all the way through the town (about 4,5km)
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Unfortunately noone was interested in going that extra mile and removing all level pedestrian crossings and level junctions. Life would be so much easier with speeds of 70 or even 80km/h. There are no any short-term plans for a bypass road to avoid the town whatsoever so we'll have to deal with this: driving for 5km via some silly town at the speed of 50km/h with pedestrian crossings and traffic lights. Sometimes I want to see those "road planners" and kick them in the arse. This is not some village path but a busy A and E road for Christs sake!
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