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Old November 26th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #1281
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As it turns out, two companies were involved in construction of overpass over Geležinio Vilko street, one of them is local Kauno keliai and the other one is Latvian Latvijas tilti.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:18 PM   #1282
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Yeah. And they had implied Latvian road signs some two years ago while the construction

Then the decision was to change the road signs because foreign road signs has no effect in traffic regulating in Lithuania.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #1283
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:50 PM   #1284
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Lithuanian Seimas set to approve Vilnius – Utena highway PPP project in spring 2015

A Public Private Partnership (PPP) to reconstruct the A14 Vilnius-Utena highway will be submitted to the Lithuanian Parliament for approval in spring 2015. The project will be the largest ever PPP project in the road sector in Lithuania.

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The project’s scope encompasses the design and reconstruction of sections of the Vilnius-Utena highway totalling 72.1 kilometres.

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The overall project, in terms of future availability payments, has a total budget of EUR 175m.
Full report: http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/transport/?doc=100290

What's the exact plan for this road? (seems to be A14). Judging from satellite imagery, the road already has a high-speed geometry. Will they build passing lanes? € 175 million for 72 kilometers seem to be too low for a complete twinning.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #1285
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It's just a regular road upgrade/reconstruction. It won't be made 2x2. No even new viaducts or non grade separated junctions planned, only a couple of new roundabouts. It's not really needed anyway. Especially since there are viable alternative routes which are in good/adequate condition.

This is how a typical stretch of the road looks now (much of it is concrete): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.35...dekLasCeKg!2e0

This is probably the kind of standard that it would be converted into: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.76...RkVZh0uDgg!2e0

Nothing really major except that the entire 72km stretch would be done in one go which is unusual in Lithuania.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #1286
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Too bad. I don't like roundabouts on such a high-speed road. They should build interchanges at the busiest intersections and implement passing lanes. That shouldn't have to cost a lot of money.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #1287
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Only this 5.1 km stretch will be widened. AADT here is about 12000, while in the other stretches there is only about from 5700 to 4700.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #1288
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Only this 5.1 km stretch will be widened.
Widened to 2x2?
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Old December 18th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #1289
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Widened to 2x2?
Yes, exactly
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Old December 18th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #1290
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How does the AADT of about 12,000 on this section of A14 compare with the AADT of the combined A4/A16 between Vilnius and Lentvaris/Trakai?
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Old December 19th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #1291
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How does the AADT of about 12,000 on this section of A14 compare with the AADT of the combined A4/A16 between Vilnius and Lentvaris/Trakai?
Check eismoinfo.lt/en/traffic-map then click "Additional information" and click "Vid. metinis paros eismo intensyvumas 2013 m" (3rd from top). Clickable lines should appear. VMPEI is AADT here (nothing translated in that thread )

According to that site, AADT is near 10,000 between Trakai and A4 interchange while between A19 and A4 interchanges there is more than 20,000

I know that section between Trakai and A4 interchange is planned to be widened to 2+2. Construction dates are unknown.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #1292
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I know that section between Trakai and A4 interchange is planned to be widened to 2+2. Construction dates are unknown.
How far east will it be 2+2 (I hope you meant 2x2, that is opposing directions of traffic separated by more than a paint stripe)? All the way to the interchange with the A1?
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Old December 19th, 2014, 08:17 PM   #1293
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Well, the section between A4 interchange and A1 interchange belongs to Vilnius city municipality and they have problems with funding (even some main streets are in bad quality), so it's not quite possible that the widening will be going in this decade or so (except if someone will invest in this stretch from private funds, e.g. someones builts a supermarket that needs a better entrance)

Yes, I meant 2x2, with a rail-guard in the middle.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #1294
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Well, the section between A4 interchange and A1 interchange belongs to Vilnius city municipality and they have problems with funding (even some main streets are in bad quality), so it's not quite possible that the widening will be going in this decade or so (except if someone will invest in this stretch from private funds, e.g. someones builts a supermarket that needs a better entrance).
So only the part of the A16 between Trakai and the Vilnius municipal boundary will be widened to 2x2 (initially)? The part inside the Vilnius municipal boundary (especially east of the A4/A16 interchange) is the part most in need of widening to 2x2.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 02:27 PM   #1295
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Actually the A16 between Vilnius and Trakai is a very busy road overall. However, mcarling, in this point I agree with you: the section you mentioned should be upgraded to 2x2. They should also make a grade-separated interchange near that Maxima/Statoil. However Vilnius's finances are in a very bad shape...
About the A14: that road is rarely busy. Why do they want to invest in such roundabouts? Are Lithuanian authorities becoming fans of senseless roundabouts, like French authorities during the 2000s decade? Last time I drove to Latvia, I saw a roundabout being built near Molėtai indeed. However, a radar would have been more than sufficient.
Moreover, when I went to Poland at the beginning of this month, I noticed a brand new roundabout on the road Alytus-Lazdijai, near Miroslavas. On a section people used to drive 70km/h, they have to slow down to 0-10km/h, which makes no sense as people rarely drive out of Miroslavas and its surroundings. A radar also would've been more than enough there.
IMHO the only roundabout built these last 2 years in Lithuania that makes sense is the western Alytus one...
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Old December 28th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1296
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Actually the A16 between Vilnius and Trakai is a very busy road overall. However, mcarling, in this point I agree with you: the section you mentioned should be upgraded to 2x2. They should also make a grade-separated interchange near that Maxima/Statoil. However Vilnius's finances are in a very bad shape...
About the A14: that road is rarely busy. Why do they want to invest in such roundabouts? Are Lithuanian authorities becoming fans of senseless roundabouts, like French authorities during the 2000s decade? Last time I drove to Latvia, I saw a roundabout being built near Molėtai indeed. However, a radar would have been more than sufficient.
Moreover, when I went to Poland at the beginning of this month, I noticed a brand new roundabout on the road Alytus-Lazdijai, near Miroslavas. On a section people used to drive 70km/h, they have to slow down to 0-10km/h, which makes no sense as people rarely drive out of Miroslavas and its surroundings. A radar also would've been more than enough there.
IMHO the only roundabout built these last 2 years in Lithuania that makes sense is the western Alytus one...
Grobin, I think a roundabout near Molėtai was neccessary due to a low visibility in that junction if you come to this junction from side roads.
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The new roundabouts at the intersection of 133 and 180 and at the intersection of A4, 133, and 129 are needed. It was previously required to stop, now one need only slow down.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #1298
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Grobin, I think a roundabout near Molėtai was neccessary due to a low visibility in that junction if you come to this junction from side roads.
Wasn't it more simple to do a grade-separated crossing? Not far from Dubingiai, they did some ... sort of grade-separated crossing (not fully - unfortunately).
I believe if you have few funds, they should be spent effectively ... or not at all (saved)

Doesn't Lithuania get any EU funds for such infrastructure?

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The new roundabouts at the intersection of 133 and 180 and at the intersection of A4, 133, and 129 are needed. It was previously required to stop, now one need only slow down.
I drove last year on that intersection between A4, 133 and 129, and don't remember this roundabout. You can't see it on Google Street View (2-year-old images), but Google Maps clearly shows it. I'm not fully convinced of its utility, but this is not a part of Lithuania I drive often on.
However, I agree with you on the intersection between 133 and 180 in Leipalingis, where I drove also last year. In general, I believe roundabouts can be a big benefit in built-up areas, but not really out of them.

If you believe I'm not right on this point, then a roundabout is really badly needed over here: between A4 and 128 near Naujeji Valkininkai. It is one of the most dangerous intersections I know in Lithuania.
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If you believe I'm not right on this point, then a roundabout is really badly needed over here: between A4 and 128 near Naujeji Valkininkai. It is one of the most dangerous intersections I know in Lithuania.
I agree that this is a dangerous intersection. I'm not sure that a roundabout is the best solution, but something should be done here. It used to be much worse, when the 4704 and the westward part of the A4 were one road and the 128 and the eastward part of the A4 were one road, but that was a long time ago. The current arrangement was built during the occupation.

If there will be a roundabout, it should include the 4704.
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Today a tender was announced for the last, 5.4 km long, part of western bypass of Vilnius. Works are expected to begin in April 2015
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