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Old February 13th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #2961
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The 58th Street side was purposefully made reflective glass to create a pre-war continuity in the streetwall and not make One57 look so out of place on that side.
Why aim for continuity on 58th street and not on 57th street? 57th street is also brick pre-war buildings. heck, it is right across from Carnegie Hall.

Continuity is seldom cared for in NYC so I am not sure why it would be in this case on an very seldom trafficted street.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #2962
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Are these opinions based soley on a few photos seen on this thread? Or is this coming from people that have seen the building in person?

Personally, I'm holding judgment until a wider variety of photos are posted. Time of day, weather, angle, and various other factors make cladding appear differently in photos...
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Old February 14th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #2963
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Are these opinions based soley on a few photos seen on this thread? Or is this coming from people that have seen the building in person?

Personally, I'm holding judgment until a wider variety of photos are posted. Time of day, weather, angle, and various other factors make cladding appear differently in photos...
I am taking pictures of it and see it in person every week.

They are just my opinions. Obviously others can have other opinions. And I think you can form reasonable opinions from the pictures. It doesn't look significantly different in real life.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #2964
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I seriously dont get what all the fuss is about with the facade reflecting the opposing building. I mean it is not the first time a facade reflects other building nor the last. Besides, I dont think many people are going to focus on what the facade looks like looking up to the first 10-15 floors or so, but what it looks like and what it reflects at 20-30+ floors...

ESB doesnt look that awesome if your standing right in front of it either. In fact it doesnt look that tall even. But move 1-2 blocks away and then you see all of its beauty unfolding. The same will happen with this one. When you are right below it the facade wont be as impressive because it will reflect other buildings sure, but move a bit further or look at it from Central Park and tell me who is going to feel dissapointed with this tower.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #2965
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I couldn't have put it better and I entirely agree.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #2966
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The reflection of the buildings across the street allow for the tower to nestle itself quite comfortably on the street with other older buildings. I think a lot of thought was put into that, hence the huge panels.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #2967
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What's wrong with the cladding? I think it's tasteful and respectful to the buildings around it. I've seen this building in person a dozen times, and I think reflecting the buildings around it is a great idea. It provides continuity, I'd rather have that than some unfitting modern facade.

Random question- Does anyone have a picture of the building(s) that used to occupy this site?
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Old February 15th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #2968
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The cladding is daring, but it's at any rate awesome. Would it be black, it would be perfect, but you can't have anything.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:13 PM   #2969
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Design does make a difference. Someone brought up the ESB as an example of mediocre design. Yes indeed. That is why the Chrysler building is almost universally favored over the ESB.

This building is over 1,000 feet so I'll take. It would just be nice if its design were a little more interesting though.

Another strange thing about the cladding - they put the checkered colors on the side that abuts other buildings and will seldom be seen. Strange.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #2970
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The low part abuts other buildings, but most of the cladding is above the neighbours.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #2971
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Design does make a difference. Someone brought up the ESB as an example of mediocre design. Yes indeed. That is why the Chrysler building is almost universally favored over the ESB.

This building is over 1,000 feet so I'll take. It would just be nice if its design were a little more interesting though.

Another strange thing about the cladding - they put the checkered colors on the side that abuts other buildings and will seldom be seen. Strange.
Well, but there are those among us who preffer ESB over CHB

As to the design of 157, I think it is good. It is no where near being a masterpiece but it is still very good and considering it's height and proximity to Central Park I think it will be generaly accepted by New Yorkers. Just my 2 cents
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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #2972
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Design does make a difference. Someone brought up the ESB as an example of mediocre design. Yes indeed. That is why the Chrysler building is almost universally favored over the ESB.

This building is over 1,000 feet so I'll take. It would just be nice if its design were a little more interesting though.

Another strange thing about the cladding - they put the checkered colors on the side that abuts other buildings and will seldom be seen. Strange.
It's a shame too. I really like the different colored glass. But since this is New York, one can never tell for certain when the building next door could be demolished.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 07:24 AM   #2973
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Back in NYC, I walked by the construction site and saw the building in person after about 4 weeks that I was away. I was there around 2pm, the 57th street cladding was being installed, it looked like they had a few panels left to finish the floor right below the very first setback. More wavy panels were in place since the last picture I saw on this thread, and in my opinion they look cool as hell! A few of the wavy panels were empty, and on those you can see from up close that the vertical framing members of the curtainwall panels are actually curved. It is not just the infill material that is curved and sits inside a normal flat square frame, the actual frame itself seems to be curved! From a technical standpoint, that's very exciting stuff! I am impressed! Does anybody know who the curtainwall contractor is?
Like I wrote on a previous post, the blue is definitely protective film, and I am sure the white is protective film as well, you could tell from the couple of spots were the film is either scratched or starting to peel off. Some white film also had logos on it. Under the blue film you can tell that the silver/grey alternating pattern continues across the entire facade.
The West facade looks pretty interesting, they are playing heavily with different glass, which right now seems to be distributed at random.
The North facade on 58th Street is simple but clean and sharp looking, it looks to me like it is the same silver glass from the 57th street facade, pretty reflective glass will take the color of the sky quite nicely (and yes, the color of the building in front of it too). No grey glass on this side of the building.
There is no cladding on the East side of the building that can be seen from the street.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 08:23 AM   #2974
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Ok, thanks for that.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #2975
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Design does make a difference. Someone brought up the ESB as an example of mediocre design. Yes indeed. That is why the Chrysler building is almost universally favored over the ESB.

This building is over 1,000 feet so I'll take. It would just be nice if its design were a little more interesting though.

Another strange thing about the cladding - they put the checkered colors on the side that abuts other buildings and will seldom be seen. Strange.
ESB is far from a mediocre design. I also would not say the Chrysler is more favoured.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #2976
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ESB is far from a mediocre design. I also would not say the Chrysler is more favoured.
Not mediocre, but conventionally art deco. Chrysler is generally agreed on the more unique and innovative design of the two; and but for ESB's size, Chrysler would have been more iconic of the manhattan skyline.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 05:44 AM   #2977
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I don't agree. But we can all have our opinions... I guess.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 06:46 AM   #2978
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Not mediocre, but conventionally art deco. Chrysler is generally agreed on the more unique and innovative design of the two; and but for ESB's size, Chrysler would have been more iconic of the manhattan skyline.
As someone who grew up in NY I have to agree with this.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 03:45 PM   #2979
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I'll take ESB or the Chrysler building any day. Anyway what's the progress on the cladding, for this building?
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