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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #3621
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How do general people in NYC think about this tower? In my country people would be angry on 'billionaires ruining the view from the park'. Are there any of such *******s in NYC as well?
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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #3622
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nice angle:

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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #3623
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How do general people in NYC think about this tower? In my country people would be angry on 'billionaires ruining the view from the park'. Are there any of such *******s in NYC as well?
The entire neighborhood consists of ******* billionaires blocking the views of other ******* billionaires. This has been going on for over 120 years.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #3624
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Im Not Sure If This Video Has Been Posted Before...But Its Kinda Cool :-)

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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #3625
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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #3626
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Old May 30th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #3627
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How do general people in NYC think about this tower? In my country people would be angry on 'billionaires ruining the view from the park'. Are there any of such *******s in NYC as well?
Ruining the view??

I do not think it is ruining any view from the park.
I believe there is enough park for everyone to enjoy the view from hundreds of different points.
I do not know what you mean?
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Old May 30th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #3628
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Considering the park is in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the world, I see any construction, whether it blocks views or not, as progress. It just makes the view all that much better!
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Old May 30th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #3629
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Ruining the view??

I do not think it is ruining any view from the park.
I believe there is enough park for everyone to enjoy the view from hundreds of different points.
I do not know what you mean?
Many condos in the Metropolitan Tower (the black building directly behind One57) have had their park views compromised (but not totally blocked) by the tower.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #3630
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Many condos in the Metropolitan Tower (the black building directly behind One57) have had their park views compromised (but not totally blocked) by the tower.
effectively, but I meant to comment on the views from the park, not at the park.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #3631
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Considering the park is in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the world, I see any construction, whether it blocks views or not, as progress. It just makes the view all that much better!
totally agree
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Old May 30th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #3632
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there isn't even a view from the park, you're already surrounded by tall buildings.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #3633
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there isn't even a view from the park, you're already surrounded by tall buildings.
Thank goodness.

otherwise could not be called NEW YORK
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Old May 30th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #3634
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How do general people in NYC think about this tower? In my country people would be angry on 'billionaires ruining the view from the park'. Are there any of such *******s in NYC as well?
I am sure there are a lot of people who don't like it. Mainly people who use the park. It will cast a big shadow during part of the day and cut down on light in the park. The shadow of this thing will probably easily reach the Sheap Medow where people like to sun bath and relax in the sun. That is why I am surprised this was not blocked to begin with.

The TWC had its height severly limited for precisely that reason.

Remember, what makes the city nice to visit - big impressive buildings - doesn't necessarily do any favors to those who live here. So they can see things from a different perspective without being "*******s".
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There will be virtually no noticeable shadow cast, thus ruining sunbathers' days. That is absurd.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:15 AM   #3636
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I am sure there are a lot of people who don't like it. Mainly people who use the park. It will cast a big shadow during part of the day and cut down on light in the park. The shadow of this thing will probably easily reach the Sheap Medow where people like to sun bath and relax in the sun. That is why I am surprised this was not blocked to begin with.

The TWC had its height severly limited for precisely that reason.

Remember, what makes the city nice to visit - big impressive buildings - doesn't necessarily do any favors to those who live here. So they can see things from a different perspective without being "*******s".
I have never seen someone overstate the effects of a building's shadows more than in this post. This is straight-up NIMBY talk. Begone!

One57's shadow will block some poor sunbather's light for 4-5 minutes max, less if they decide to move over a few feet. Give me a break.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 01:06 AM   #3637
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shadows are a major issue for all building around New York. Zoning laws were changed because of the canyons in lower Manhattan that were virtually always without sunlight.

Around Central Park shadows have also been a big issue. Witness:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/ny...sina.html?_r=1

Critics also say the condo tower would leave part of Central Park and local playgrounds in shadow. A city environmental review found that a tall, narrow building, like the proposed tower, would cast less shadow on open spaces than would a shorter, wider building. But opponents of the project are dismayed by the fact that, according to Mount Sinai officials, during the morning at certain times of the year, its shadow would stretch about two-thirds of the way across the park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Center

Boston's winning bid was $455 million for the site. It was to be the headquarters of Salomon Brothers. The building ran into intense opposition (including most prominently Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis) who were concerned it would cast a shadow on Central Park. In 1988 a court ruled that the building violated the city's own zoning ordinances. At about the same time, Salomon Brothers backed out.

Here is an actual shadow analysis:

http://www.protectwest70.org/2007-do...hadows_CPW.pdf

As it notes, by law a shadow analysis must be done on any building that will cast a shadow over a public space.

Someone actually does a list each year of the top ten apartment buildings casting shadows on parks


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9153944.htm

In honor of Groundhog Day, Carter B. Horsley Lists New York City Apartment Buildings Casting Shadows on Parks.

“Once a year, we all wait to see if the groundhog sees his shadow for an extended winter,” said Carter B. Horsley, CityRealty editor and architecture expert. “But all year long, New York City’s apartment buildings cast interesting shadows throughout the city, especially on our parks,” he added.

Time Warner Center was number one on the list.

Probably One57 didn't provoke a big fight because it is right in front of other tall towers.

It will be interesting to see what will happen if a super tall is proposed on the sight Extel has a block west from One57. I suspect that will provoke court cases, and the openents might win the court cases like they did with Time Warner.

Full discloser - I live up in Inwood so I very rarely use Central Park. But it is there to be a park for the people who live around it, not to be simply a backdrop for photograhs for tourists. So I can understand why people wouldn't want huge buildings right next to it.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 01:52 AM   #3638
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It's an exaggerated non-issue, and a pointless one at that. The building is almost topped out.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 04:08 AM   #3639
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According to Mount Sinai officials, during the morning at certain times of the year, its shadow would stretch about two-thirds of the way across the park.
Yeah, in the dead of Winter. Who is sunbathing in Central Park during January? lol
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Old May 31st, 2012, 04:42 AM   #3640
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Yeah, in the dead of Winter. Who is sunbathing in Central Park during January? lol
People don't go to Central Park in the winter? You should pay a visit some time. People like their vitamin D in the winter.

Anyways, a simple question was posed of if some people in New York might not like this tower and I gave an answer. Not even my own opinion, but I am pointing out why some people might oppose building certain buildings.

Enough said. Hopefully we can get back to construction pictures.
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