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Old October 23rd, 2013, 09:02 PM   #6321
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Have to agree with 4n on this one. Part of it is timing, wherein many of the current structures are going up amidst a bunch of other towers, with little time and space to stand apart as an icon of the city.

Another large part of it, though, is the design. The skyscrapers from the early ages of Art Deco and other heydays celebrated the skyscraper concept with forms and detailing that embodied the aspiration for artistic skylines. As designs became more efficient and mechanical (international style, for example), however, the viewing public became numb to celebrating something simply because it's tall. We've reached a point where the spectator is asking "What have you done for us lately?" so in an era with Burj Khalifa or the Petronas Towers it will often take much more than what One57 is offering to stand apart. Even the new World Trade Center is considered lacking in it's architectural appeal and might be far less reknowned if located elsewhere.

Doesn't mean One57 is bad, not at all. Simply means it's not poised for iconic status.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 09:20 PM   #6322
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This building will be iconic, don't worry. It's the most noticeable building from central park.

Not everything has to be detailed or tall to be iconic. Take Seagram Building...excellent clean design and relatively famous.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 09:32 PM   #6323
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I think there's a difference between "iconic among architects/enthusiasts" and just plain iconic. Most people couldn't pick Seagram out of a lineup of modernist boxes, but anyone who's interested in skyscrapers at least knows what it's all about.

I think this One57 going to sit somewhere in the middle. Anybody who's been in Central Park in the last year has definitely looked at it with wonder, but probably couldn't name it or explain what it's all about -- those unfamiliar with the recent trend of skyscraping residential buildings probably think it's an office tower. I think most New Yorkers will quickly learn to recognize it by sight, although few of them will probably be able to name it. (It doesn't help that "One57" is such a shitty, uninformative-bordering-on-confusing name -- one that will remind people decades from now of a time when replacing words with numbers or adding an "i" to the beginning of a word was the gold standard for marketing). That in mind, I think JDS and Extell would be wise to try branding their new towers as "Steinway" and "Nordstrom" respectively, even if unofficially. A recognizable name is half the battle in becoming iconic.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 10:09 PM   #6324
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But then again, what skyscrapers do normal people actually know? Just the ones that used to be the tallest...and not even all of those. I'd actually say Empire State Building is the one building normal people are really aware of, but even then there are tons of people taking pictures of the Chrysler Building and calling it Empire State Building.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 11:40 PM   #6325
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I think One57 will have the same status in a few years as 40 Wall Street has. Both once the tallest for a very very short time. ( 40 WS once the tallest in the world and One57 the tallest as seen from Central Park ) But both fast after the opening overtaken by two way taller ones. ( in the case of 40 WS the more famous Chrysler Building and ESB and in the case of One57 111 West 57th and 225 West 57th.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 12:51 AM   #6326
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Easy: Chrysler is totally badass.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #6327
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But then again, what skyscrapers do normal people actually know? Just the ones that used to be the tallest...and not even all of those. I'd actually say Empire State Building is the one building normal people are really aware of, but even then there are tons of people taking pictures of the Chrysler Building and calling it Empire State Building.
I'd say Sears Tower may be the only other one.

And yeah, it totally pisses me off how someone can mix up Chrysler and ESB. That's like mixing up the Eiffel Tower and Tokyo Tower.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 03:43 AM   #6328
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^ Bad Example! They are so close that they could easily be mixed up. A better one would be Eiffel Tower vs Shanghai's Oriental Pearl Tower. People do regularly mix up the Freedom Tower and the ESB. They point at the ESB and say "Ooh, Look! Its the Freedom Tower!"
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Old October 25th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #6329
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They look nothing alike other than the fact that they are lattice and taper.





It's pretty hard to confuse them.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #6330
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Well, it's clear that Tokyo Tower was modeled after the Eiffel Tower. And it's clearly "after" in every sense of the word.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #6331
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They point at the ESB and say "Ooh, Look! Its the Freedom Tower!"
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Old October 25th, 2013, 03:30 PM   #6332
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And they're still wrong even if they're pointing at One World Trade Center.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...63520424195296
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #6333
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What are the two buildings..?exclueded 432 ave.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #6334
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What are the two buildings..?exclueded 432 ave.
In the middle is 107 West 57th and to the right is 225 West 57th Street.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #6335
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This building will be iconic, don't worry. It's the most noticeable building from central park.

Not everything has to be detailed or tall to be iconic. Take Seagram Building...excellent clean design and relatively famous.
What's the Seagram building?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #6336
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^ Bad Example! They are so close that they could easily be mixed up. A better one would be Eiffel Tower vs Shanghai's Oriental Pearl Tower. People do regularly mix up the Freedom Tower and the ESB. They point at the ESB and say "Ooh, Look! Its the Freedom Tower!"
For me, people point to One World Trade Center and say, "It's the Empire State Building!" Part of me wants to laugh hysterically because it's funny! But part of me just thinks it's sad. Just plain sad.

And I would NEVER mix up the Shanghai Oriental Pearl Tower and Eiffel Tower. But sometimes I mix up Big Ben with the Singer Building.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #6337
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What's the Seagram building?
One of NYC's first international skyscrapers (1958). Designed by architect Mies van der Rohe, famous for the saying "Less is more" you'll often see on this forum.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #6338
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Well that shows how "famous" seagram is even amongst newbie skyscraper fans I guess One57 will be as famous in say 15 years
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Old October 26th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #6340
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