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Old February 28th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #941
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!
you could buy an average flat in Britain for that price, yes BUY a whole flat for that price, not rent per month

Anyway, nice to see the project rising
It's really not you do our country a disservice by painting flats as that cheap. I should say the average might be £100,000, so £150,000ish right now.

I too am surprised though by that. I'm sure that a rent can be that high and in fact higher, but there is no way in hell that $1,200,000, (thats over ONE MILLION DOLLARS) per year is rent is anywhere near the low end. I by no means have a decent knowledge of Manhattan rents, but there is no way in hell that is right. I've seen a wealth of apartments online, most of which while not palatial weren't tiny, and many had rents of only $2,000 per month.

SO, if we are talking penthouses of the highest order, sure the figure you give might be right, but it is just impossible for that to be true of the entire market.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #942
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It's really not you do our country a disservice by painting flats as that cheap. I should say the average might be £100,000, so £150,000ish right now.

I too am surprised though by that. I'm sure that a rent can be that high and in fact higher, but there is no way in hell that $1,200,000, (thats over ONE MILLION DOLLARS) per year is rent is anywhere near the low end. I by no means have a decent knowledge of Manhattan rents, but there is no way in hell that is right. I've seen a wealth of apartments online, most of which while not palatial weren't tiny, and many had rents of only $2,000 per month.

SO, if we are talking penthouses of the highest order, sure the figure you give might be right, but it is just impossible for that to be true of the entire market.
Check out NY's real estate listings on zillow.com. It's pretty ridiculous. A 6 bdrm place at the Waldorf Towers is listed at $140,000 a month. Keep in mind that 100k+ is very rare. But it does exist.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 05:47 AM   #943
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You should see some of the place that aren't listed. I remember watch the news and seeing a woman, who paid 1.3 million for a 2 bed room apartment. It was really small and she said, it was the only thing she could afford lol.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 08:39 AM   #944
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Who the hell can pay $140,000 /mo? That's pricey for anyone but billionaires.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 12:33 PM   #945
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Micheal Jackson's very last LA mansion was 100 grand a month.
My theory is that he finally figured it out one day when his notary was out of town and BANG!!! Heart attack. Only a theory of course...

$ 100.000 monthly rent. That's what CNN reported.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 05:36 PM   #946
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Notary was out of town? I don't get it.

Also, NY is not LA.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 01:57 AM   #947
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!
you could buy an average flat in Britain for that price, yes BUY a whole flat for that price, not rent per month
You can find very expensive in UK too... 100.000 quids per month. (~160.000$)

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Old March 3rd, 2011, 06:55 AM   #948
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This thread has gotten painfully off-topic. Please stop.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 11:57 AM   #949
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Agreed. I'm gonna delete any post related to apartment prices from now on.
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Old March 4th, 2011, 03:42 AM   #950
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I still can't believe that they are building a supertall in this particular location. It looks weird to have a supertall cramped between existing buildings, while we are used to see them almost exlusively freestanding on thei own dedicated lots.
I too find it astounding and an earlier comment of mine to that effect was also dismissed with a "that's new York" kind of comment.

But I don't think the subject should be dismissed that quickly. Yes new York is dense. But I don't think this building is typical. It is a supertall being built in a bizarre shape around low rise buildings. While it isn't the first time this has happened, it is still interesting to ponder due to the relative rarity.

It is a supertall not bordering on an intersection and with only 237 feet of the plot bordering a street! on the sides that do border the street, the building is right up on the sidewalk without a plaza of any sort. Now that's a cramped construction site. The tower cranes have no choice but to straddle a sidewalk. Because the plot is 200 ft deep, the crane will need a boom reach exceeding 100 ft. With the ballast hanging off the back, it will be much longer than the width of the street it is on.

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The outline for this building is crazy. Who would think to put a supertall there.
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Old March 4th, 2011, 10:30 PM   #952
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I assume the elevator shaft is the hole at the tip of the top red arrow? This building does not seem to have a core.
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is that a satellite picture? or how did you get above the site like that
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is that a satellite picture? or how did you get above the site like that
i think its from the carnegie hall tower.
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I assume the elevator shaft is the hole at the tip of the top red arrow? This building does not seem to have a core.
It could be, but that would mean that the elevator shaft is really close to
the north facade of the tower if not right on the facade..But that would be logical because the main entrance is on the 58th street where's that big lobby..

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i think its from the carnegie hall tower.
True..
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Yesterday, March 6th, taken by Daniel Burnett..





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Old March 7th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #958
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Looks like they will have to jump the crane soon - no?

Also, the amount of work they have to do with wood is amazing. If they have to do that for each floor to pour concrete won't this thing be very slow? Also, why can't they use steel sections bolted together for most of it rather than wood?
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Wood is lighter than steel. Yes it might be a task to continually rebuild the wooden concrete forms, but it would be a much bigger task to try to maneuver large and heavy steel forms out from between all of the pillars. Wood is cheap, light, easy to work with, and quick for building forms. Seems pretty standard to me, an probably just as quick as any steel forms.

The other techniques that I have seen involve pouring on top of corrugated steel panels and leaving them in place after the pour. This building is not using corrugated steel between the floors, probably has to do with a commercial v. residential regulatory distinction.
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I've seen condos using only concrete, finish in about two years. I find amazing how some building shoot out of the ground so fast.
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