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Old April 18th, 2011, 01:57 AM   #1161
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Old April 18th, 2011, 04:11 AM   #1162
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Old April 18th, 2011, 04:23 AM   #1163
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I wonder if they have to pay for air rights to the other building. They are using their space. And having that hanging right over a glass atrium on the other building can't be making the people there very comfortable.

It truly is amazing to see how they squeeze all the construction activities into such a small space. Very different from the WTC where they have much more space, at least compared to this site.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 08:50 AM   #1164
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They already have the air rights.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 10:20 AM   #1165
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I also have some questions:
It's build right against the other buildings and at one side the buildings reach a reasenable height. Doesn't the building needs space to move in wind?

Anyway the design is just great and it took of like a rocket!
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Old April 18th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #1166
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I also have some questions:
It's build right against the other buildings and at one side the buildings reach a reasenable height. Doesn't the building needs space to move in wind?

Anyway the design is just great and it took of like a rocket!
There isn't much wind swaying in a situation like this (Carnegie 57 is like one tree in a forest..It will sway but that wouldn't be that much as a tree/building in open air), but if you take a closer look, you'll see that there is a little space between the Carnegie 57 and neighbour buildings..It's not connected to them..
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Old April 18th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #1167
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Old April 18th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #1168
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Old April 18th, 2011, 05:17 PM   #1169
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"They already have the air rights. "

Obviously they have them for their own lot (which they probably had to pay for by buying them from lower buildings) but I wonder how it works when they have temporary construction platforms sitting over other peoples lots. I would assume they must have to pay for that too.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #1170
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"They already have the air rights. "

Obviously they have them for their own lot (which they probably had to pay for by buying them from lower buildings) but I wonder how it works when they have temporary construction platforms sitting over other peoples lots. I would assume they must have to pay for that too.
With the construction plot, they bough the air rights ABOVE the shorter next door building..

But on the other hand, this neighbour building has the upper part a bit inward from the street...Which means that this open air where this platform is constructed is above the lower part of building..That means above the building (lower part of it)..Which means that rules for this air space are the same as rules for air space above the whole building..It's a hole in law..With this rule and logic they bough air space in front of those upper floors..

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Old April 18th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #1171
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We call that a legal loophole here in Amurica.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 07:47 PM   #1172
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"With the construction plot, they bough the air rights ABOVE the shorter next door building.."

I am not sure how you are interpreting this and given the ambigous sentence this may be misunderstood. When you buy air rights in NY you aren't buying the rights to build physically over another building.

What buying air rights means is that in a area the zoning law may say you can only build up to 500 feet in height (this is simply an example). You want to build up to 750 feet, but that is more than the zoning allows. The way around this is if a neighboring building is only 250 feet, ie not as high as the zoning allows, they can in some cases sell their unused 250 feet to you and you can add it to your own 500 foot limit to get to 750 feet. The idea behind this is that buildings will AVERAGE the zoned limit with some being taller and some shorter.

However, that purchasing of other building's air rights only allows you to build your building taller. It doesn't give you the right to physically build over their plot of land. Nor would it allow you to use the air over their plot of land during construction. That is why I imagine they must have paid extra for this.

That is my understanding of how this works based on following this concept of air rights in the local media here in NY. If someone can show actual law that explains it differently then I'll stand corrected but for now that is my understanding.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 08:15 PM   #1173
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600- You are correct about NY zoning and transferrable air rights.

They probably just asked to have a temporary encroachment during construction. There might have been compensation, but it cold also just be a contract for a nominal amount for insurance purposes.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #1174
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"With the construction plot, they bough the air rights ABOVE the shorter next door building.."

I am not sure how you are interpreting this and given the ambigous sentence this may be misunderstood. When you buy air rights in NY you aren't buying the rights to build physically over another building.

What buying air rights means is that in a area the zoning law may say you can only build up to 500 feet in height (this is simply an example). You want to build up to 750 feet, but that is more than the zoning allows. The way around this is if a neighboring building is only 250 feet, ie not as high as the zoning allows, they can in some cases sell their unused 250 feet to you and you can add it to your own 500 foot limit to get to 750 feet. The idea behind this is that buildings will AVERAGE the zoned limit with some being taller and some shorter.

However, that purchasing of other building's air rights only allows you to build your building taller. It doesn't give you the right to physically build over their plot of land. Nor would it allow you to use the air over their plot of land during construction. That is why I imagine they must have paid extra for this.

That is my understanding of how this works based on following this concept of air rights in the local media here in NY. If someone can show actual law that explains it differently then I'll stand corrected but for now that is my understanding.
I didn't really informed much about it, so I tried to find some logical answer...

Thanks for correction pal..
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Old April 18th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #1175
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 05:43 AM   #1176
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Bump! I would love to see some updates on this construction!
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Bump! I would love to see some updates on this construction!
Me too.. Nothing new on the net lately..If not sooner we'll see an update this Sunday..
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 02:36 AM   #1178
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The height of buildings isn't regulated so much as the square footage of each floor as compared to the property's square footage. Higher floors are required to be smaller in area.

The key concept is that of set-backs. To prevent claustrophobic canyons of skyscrapers looming overhead, the higher a building goes, the smaller each floor will be in square footage. This provides an opening for sunlight to make it down to street level and windows on lower floors.

When short buildings are adjacent to the property on which a skyscraper is built, buying their air rights means that fewer setbacks are necessary if any are needed at all. This is because when considering the group of buildings together, the final affect will be as intended. Sunlight and open sky will still be visible from the street and sidewalk.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 05:59 AM   #1180
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Thank you very much for the update Dino!
This thing is rising fast!

And dfiler, thank you. Very informative.
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