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Old November 17th, 2009, 12:51 AM   #101
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Like I said, I was just surprised to hear it. On the one hand, I hate when NIMBYs in London cut great designs down. On the other, I'm really not sure if building a supertall skyscraper in a major western city without even having to show the plans to the neighbors is right... It's a weird choice for me, I really don't know which I prefer. From a selfish standpoint I'd probably go with the New York way of doing things, but from a fair/ethical standard I'd go with the other. Extreme capitalism has parallels with extreme communism it seems, it's just the companies in the place of the Governments. Again though, I can see a lot of positives (for people like us, who like tall buildings). So I guess it's OK.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #102
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Sounds great, but I'm not holding my breath. Just because the developer says it has an amazing design doesn't mean it can't be a turd.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 08:12 AM   #103
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Still no renders?
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Old November 18th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #104
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A partial building permit was issued by New York City for the project September 24, 2009 for a 73-story, 953-foot-high project with a total of 1,493,514 square feet.
as i see, this building is going to have 73 floors, and not as believed, 80. also i read (@SSP) that 953 is the so called "perimeter wall height", this means it will exceed 1000ft! but 1080+? i'm not that sure anymore.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #105
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953 feet? Not a supertall.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #106
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953 feet? Not a supertall.
no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 06:55 PM   #107
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no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.
I see, well we'll see how high this puppy gets...
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Old November 19th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #108
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Old November 19th, 2009, 09:18 PM   #109
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^ is a great photograph! hopefully we see development soon. it feels nice (as a new yorker) to see new york have more a presence in the supertall/skyscraper subforums! we need more tall buildings in this city (but none from chinatown to flatiron)
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Old November 20th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #110
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There are about 4 lower levels (including parking)
Floor 1 .................hotel lobby, residential lobby
Floor 2 .................hotel ballroom, meeting rooms, lounge
Floor 3 .................restaurant, lounge
Floor 4 .................mechanical, (hotel space to floor 20)
Floor 20 ...............hotel spa, health club
Floor 21 ...............residential lounge, dining room, library
Floors 22-30 .......6 apts per floor
Floors 31-45 .......4 apts per floor

Floor 46 ...............mechanical
Floors 47-58 .......2 apts per floor
Floors 59-60 .........duplex
Floors 61-70 .........each floor single unit (apt)
Floors 71-72 .........duplex
Floor 73 ...............mechanical
Roof ....................elevator machine

Judging from that, it appears the tower would have a tapered (at least in effect) design, getting smaller at the top.




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Old November 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM   #111
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This will be a great location... along with "The 3"

-Carnegie Hall Tower
-CitySpire Center
-Metropolitan Tower

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 06:52 PM   #112
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1776' (541m) - WTC Tower One
1350' (411m) - WTC Tower Two
1255' (382m) - WTC Tower Three
1250' (381m) - Empire State Building
1200' (366m) - One Bryant Park
1046' (319m) - Chrysler Building
1047' (319m) - NY Times Tower
1360' (414m) - Hudson Center North
1240' (378m) - Hudson Center South

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM   #113
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There's also the 40+ story tower by Pelli which will rise on the site of the white brick building seen in the extreme lower right corner of this photo.
Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:28 PM   #114
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Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them. It would be very difficult to rebuild front row central park buildings unless they were almost ready to fall by themselves.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:32 PM   #115
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Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them.
I'm sure is not the arhitecture... But the view of the park.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 04:13 AM   #116
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Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park.
and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 04:23 AM   #117
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I'm sure is not the arhitecture... But the view of the park.
yup, it's all about the view
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Old November 24th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #118
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and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building.
Is not about the specific arhitecture (not to mention that the "commies" where "invented" by americans not russians, even if they use them more), but about the location. Is one thing to have them on locations like Cooperative Village, and another thing to have them on the first row from Central Park...

I don's say to demolish all of them, but at least a recladding is in order...
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Old November 25th, 2009, 04:57 PM   #119
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Tell us about rent control. I know, sort of off topic. How does it work in NYC?
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Old December 10th, 2009, 01:07 AM   #120
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From NYguy:

New permit issued yesterday (plumbing)...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...20&requestid=2
PROVIDE UNDERGROUND PIPING IN CONJUNCTION TO NEW BUILDING
PERMIT ISSUED - ENTIRE JOB/WORK 12/08/2009
Proposed Job Start: 12/08/2009
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