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Newcastle Guy · November 16th, 2009, 11:51 PM

Like I said, I was just surprised to hear it. On the one hand, I hate when NIMBYs in London cut great designs down. On the other, I'm really not sure if building a supertall skyscraper in a major western city without even having to show the plans to the neighbors is right... It's a weird choice for me, I really don't know which I prefer. From a selfish standpoint I'd probably go with the New York way of doing things, but from a fair/ethical standard I'd go with the other. Extreme capitalism has parallels with extreme communism it seems, it's just the companies in the place of the Governments. Again though, I can see a lot of positives (for people like us, who like tall buildings). So I guess it's OK.

Uaarkson · November 18th, 2009, 02:31 AM

Sounds great, but I'm not holding my breath. Just because the developer says it has an amazing design doesn't mean it can't be a turd.

dk_masi · November 18th, 2009, 07:12 AM

Still no renders?

HK999 · November 18th, 2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

A partial building permit was issued by New York City for the project September 24, 2009 for a 73-story, 953-foot-high project with a total of 1,493,514 square feet.

as i see, this building is going to have 73 floors, and not as believed, 80. also i read (@SSP) that 953 is the so called "perimeter wall height", this means it will exceed 1000ft! but 1080+? i'm not that sure anymore.

***desertpunk*** · November 18th, 2009, 05:07 PM

953 feet? Not a supertall.

HK999 · November 18th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertpunk

953 feet? Not a supertall.

no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.

***desertpunk*** · November 18th, 2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinarulez

no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.

I see, well we'll see how high this puppy gets...

HK999 · November 19th, 2009, 06:42 PM

NYguy, SSP

kw~ny

buy · November 19th, 2009, 08:18 PM

^ is a great photograph! hopefully we see development soon. it feels nice (as a new yorker) to see new york have more a presence in the supertall/skyscraper subforums! we need more tall buildings in this city (but none from chinatown to flatiron)

HK999 · November 20th, 2009, 06:10 PM

NYguy, SSP

There are about 4 lower levels (including parking)
Floor 1 .................hotel lobby, residential lobby
Floor 2 .................hotel ballroom, meeting rooms, lounge
Floor 3 .................restaurant, lounge
Floor 4 .................mechanical, (hotel space to floor 20)
Floor 20 ...............hotel spa, health club
Floor 21 ...............residential lounge, dining room, library
Floors 22-30 .......6 apts per floor
Floors 31-45 .......4 apts per floor
Floor 46 ...............mechanical
Floors 47-58 .......2 apts per floor
Floors 59-60 .........duplex
Floors 61-70 .........each floor single unit (apt)
Floors 71-72 .........duplex
Floor 73 ...............mechanical
Roof ....................elevator machine

Judging from that, it appears the tower would have a tapered (at least in effect) design, getting smaller at the top.

Another taste of Christian de Portzamparc's work...

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Some of his New York work...

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luci203 · November 20th, 2009, 06:58 PM

This will be a great location... along with "The 3"

-Carnegie Hall Tower
-CitySpire Center
-Metropolitan Tower

Vengineer · November 23rd, 2009, 05:52 PM

cool

luci203 · November 23rd, 2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnobsemajdnob

There's also the 40+ story tower by Pelli which will rise on the site of the white brick building seen in the extreme lower right corner of this photo.

Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park.

Viperfreak2 · November 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM

Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them. It would be very difficult to rebuild front row central park buildings unless they were almost ready to fall by themselves.

luci203 · November 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them.

I'm sure is not the arhitecture...

But the view of the park.

webeagle12 · November 24th, 2009, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luci203

Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park.

and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building.

New Jack City · November 24th, 2009, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luci203

I'm sure is not the arhitecture...

But the view of the park.

yup, it's all about the view

luci203 · November 24th, 2009, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webeagle12

and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building.

Is not about the specific arhitecture (not to mention that the "commies" where "invented" by americans not russians, even if they use them more), but about the location. Is one thing to have them on locations like Cooperative Village, and another thing to have them on the first row from Central Park...

I don's say to demolish all of them, but at least a recladding is in order...

Viperfreak2 · November 25th, 2009, 03:57 PM

Tell us about rent control. I know, sort of off topic. How does it work in NYC?

Onn · December 10th, 2009, 12:07 AM

From NYguy:

New permit issued yesterday (plumbing)...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...20&requestid=2
PROVIDE UNDERGROUND PIPING IN CONJUNCTION TO NEW BUILDING
PERMIT ISSUED - ENTIRE JOB/WORK 12/08/2009
Proposed Job Start: 12/08/2009

November 18th, 2009, 02:31 AM	#102
Uaarkson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,996 Likes (Received): 131	Sounds great, but I'm not holding my breath. Just because the developer says it has an amazing design doesn't mean it can't be a turd. __________________ Manhattan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1MySJoFl8&hd=1 (HD)

November 19th, 2009, 06:42 PM	#108
HK999 University of HK / 香港大學 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hong Kong SAR / 香港特區 Posts: 3,422 Likes (Received): 46	NYguy, SSP kw~ny __________________ Sapientia et Virtus 明德格物 Industrial Organization, MSc

November 20th, 2009, 06:10 PM	#110
HK999 University of HK / 香港大學 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hong Kong SAR / 香港特區 Posts: 3,422 Likes (Received): 46	NYguy, SSP There are about 4 lower levels (including parking) Floor 1 .................hotel lobby, residential lobby Floor 2 .................hotel ballroom, meeting rooms, lounge Floor 3 .................restaurant, lounge Floor 4 .................mechanical, (hotel space to floor 20) Floor 20 ...............hotel spa, health club Floor 21 ...............residential lounge, dining room, library Floors 22-30 .......6 apts per floor Floors 31-45 .......4 apts per floor Floor 46 ...............mechanical Floors 47-58 .......2 apts per floor Floors 59-60 .........duplex Floors 61-70 .........each floor single unit (apt) Floors 71-72 .........duplex Floor 73 ...............mechanical Roof ....................elevator machine Judging from that, it appears the tower would have a tapered (at least in effect) design, getting smaller at the top. Another taste of Christian de Portzamparc's work... __ __ Some of his New York work... __ __ __________________ Sapientia et Virtus 明德格物 Industrial Organization, MSc

November 23rd, 2009, 05:52 PM	#112
Vengineer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 78 Likes (Received): 0	cool __________________ New York City Supertalls 1776' (541m) - WTC Tower One 1350' (411m) - WTC Tower Two 1255' (382m) - WTC Tower Three 1250' (381m) - Empire State Building 1200' (366m) - One Bryant Park 1046' (319m) - Chrysler Building 1047' (319m) - NY Times Tower 1360' (414m) - Hudson Center North 1240' (378m) - Hudson Center South

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November 16th, 2009, 11:51 PM	#101
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	Like I said, I was just surprised to hear it. On the one hand, I hate when NIMBYs in London cut great designs down. On the other, I'm really not sure if building a supertall skyscraper in a major western city without even having to show the plans to the neighbors is right... It's a weird choice for me, I really don't know which I prefer. From a selfish standpoint I'd probably go with the New York way of doing things, but from a fair/ethical standard I'd go with the other. Extreme capitalism has parallels with extreme communism it seems, it's just the companies in the place of the Governments. Again though, I can see a lot of positives (for people like us, who like tall buildings). So I guess it's OK.

November 18th, 2009, 07:12 AM	#103
dk_masi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: København Posts: 16 Likes (Received): 0	Still no renders?

November 18th, 2009, 05:07 PM	#105
*desertpunk* Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ELP ~ ABQ Posts: 29,644 Likes (Received): 1371	953 feet? Not a supertall.

November 19th, 2009, 08:18 PM	#109
buy jack's wasted life Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 47 Likes (Received): 0	^ is a great photograph! hopefully we see development soon. it feels nice (as a new yorker) to see new york have more a presence in the supertall/skyscraper subforums! we need more tall buildings in this city (but none from chinatown to flatiron)

November 20th, 2009, 06:58 PM	#111
luci203 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,610 Likes (Received): 45	This will be a great location... along with "The 3" -Carnegie Hall Tower -CitySpire Center -Metropolitan Tower

November 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM	#114
Viperfreak2 BANNED Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 525 Likes (Received): 0	Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them. It would be very difficult to rebuild front row central park buildings unless they were almost ready to fall by themselves.

November 25th, 2009, 03:57 PM	#119
Viperfreak2 BANNED Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 525 Likes (Received): 0	Tell us about rent control. I know, sort of off topic. How does it work in NYC?

December 10th, 2009, 12:07 AM	#120
Onn BANNED Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The United States Posts: 1,548 Likes (Received): 0	From NYguy: New permit issued yesterday (plumbing)... http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...20&requestid=2 PROVIDE UNDERGROUND PIPING IN CONJUNCTION TO NEW BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED - ENTIRE JOB/WORK 12/08/2009 Proposed Job Start: 12/08/2009