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Old June 27th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #1481
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No. The facade could need some refurbishment, no doubt. But what actually counts for most of the cityscape in NYC are the lower floors. Tearing the Penn down would be a crime.

The same was said about the famous cast iron buildings in SoHo, by the by. Of course they've looked rundown back in time. Almost torn down, somehow they could be saved since people recognized their potential. With just some will you can make gems of most old buildings again. It's all worth the effort!
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Old June 27th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1482
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Erbse, i BET yopu have never been to NYC and so never passed by the PENN! ;-)
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Old June 27th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #1483
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I even slept in the Penn and it's quite a satisfying hotel.

The facade could need some plastering and colour indeed, but that goes for many older NYC blocks. That's by far no reason to tear them all down, pals.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #1484
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You do know who Andrew Carnegie is right?
Nope, I dunno. Who is he?

And as to my contribution to the tear down/don't tear down debate, in my opinion, old buildings should be demolished only if the building, which would be built instead of them, would be extremely epic. Like the new tallest supertall in the city or so. If the planned building is not extremely epic, then I think history should win. Each building tells a story of the era in which it was built. It would be wrong to raze a part of history if there really isn't a good reason for it.

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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #1485
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Nope, I dunno. Who is he?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie

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Carnegie donated most of his money to establish many libraries, schools, and universities in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada and other countries, as well as a pension fund for former employees. He is often regarded as the second-richest man in history after John D. Rockefeller. Carnegie started as a telegrapher and by the 1860s had investments in railroads, railroad sleeping cars, bridges and oil derricks. He built further wealth as a bond salesman raising money for American enterprise in Europe.

He earned most of his fortune in the steel industry. In the 1870s, he founded the Carnegie Steel Company, a step which cemented his name as one of the "Captains of Industry". By the 1890s, the company was the largest and most profitable industrial enterprise in the world. Carnegie sold it in 1901 for $480 million to J.P. Morgan, who created U.S. Steel. Carnegie devoted the remainder of his life to large-scale philanthropy, with special emphasis on local libraries, world peace, education and scientific research. His life has often been referred to as a true "rags to riches" story.
You can find him in any American History textbook past 4th Grade reading levels.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #1486
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Thanks for posting Dino. Not sure I see the brackets you are referring to.
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They started last Sunday..During the week they lifted all of them..
Brackets are right below the windscreens on June 26th pic..
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #1487
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You can find him in any American History textbook past 4th Grade reading levels.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 08:43 PM   #1488
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New Yorkers somehow don't seem to know what they actually have with buildings like the Pennsylvania Hotel.
That's NYC. And it's slowly disappearing since decades. Besides, that's one of the central affordable hotels that'll be missing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe...Penn_fixed.jpg
I don't need a affordable hotel since I already live in the city.

ThatDarnSacramentan that was the later part of his life.

Carnegie, Rockafella and Swift are reason why we have labor laws in America now. Minimum wage and Unions and so many other things. They made their riches, by paying their workers the less amount of money they could.

Mr Burns from the Simpson is base off these three men.

But that enough about this buildings name.
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Old June 29th, 2011, 01:47 AM   #1489
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Where this building has steel construction?
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Old June 29th, 2011, 03:45 AM   #1490
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its concrete not steel because its residential.
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Old June 29th, 2011, 07:27 AM   #1491
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I don't need a affordable hotel since I already live in the city.

ThatDarnSacramentan that was the later part of his life.

Carnegie, Rockafella and Swift are reason why we have labor laws in America now. Minimum wage and Unions and so many other things. They made their riches, by paying their workers the less amount of money they could.

Mr Burns from the Simpson is base off these three men.

But that enough about this buildings name.
Most intelligent post I have ever seen from king. :P
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Old June 29th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #1492
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I have a writing disability. So intelligences has nothing to do with it.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #1493
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New Yorkers somehow don't seem to know what they actually have with buildings like the Pennsylvania Hotel.
That's NYC. And it's slowly disappearing since decades. Besides, that's one of the central affordable hotels that'll be missing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe...Penn_fixed.jpg
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Old June 30th, 2011, 01:24 AM   #1494
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Sorry, New Yorker here. But Pennslyvania Hotel is just NOT worth saving. The only thing that looks good is the front entrance.
I totally agree here. I'm a new yorker as well who lives just a few blocks away from the hotel and I just don't see why we should keep it.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM   #1495
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king, it was more of a joke.. I didn't mean to insult you. To be honest, I love your blunt humor comments.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 07:13 AM   #1496
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South facade progress... Not the final product, but pretty close. Ignore the random white spots, trying to make some lighting...


edit: Again, ignore that illuminated floor...:

Now I need to do west/east sides... If renders aren't tricky, those panels should have 0% transparency.

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Old June 30th, 2011, 09:02 AM   #1497
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Wow, nice work Otie that's beautiful, you deserve a cookie.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 11:34 AM   #1498
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A cookie? How lame is that? Otie gets a bee from me.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 04:13 PM   #1499
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A bee? How lame is that? Otie gets an A from me.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #1500
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king, it was more of a joke.. I didn't mean to insult you. To be honest, I love your blunt humor comments.
I wasn't insluted, just stating a fact.
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