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Old May 26th, 2009, 02:56 AM   #241
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leave it the way it is ...if it aint broke dont try to fix it.....do u see the english premier league try to come to usa to make the MLS same as their league...leave it the way it is.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 10:57 AM   #242
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leave it the way it is ..
Couldn't agree more. No need to butcher both leagues for something that is certain to fail.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 11:31 AM   #243
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leave it the way it is ...if it aint broke dont try to fix it.....do u see the english premier league try to come to usa to make the MLS same as their league...leave it the way it is.
No not specifically, but you do see the Premier league trying to do this...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/7232378.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/7232390.stm
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Old May 26th, 2009, 05:45 PM   #244
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dont exist minimal chance to succeed,no way .
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I don't know if they will succeed......I guess quite a lot of (new) people would get interest in the sport.
Of course it will succeed in France (if the expansion happens).. It already did for the NBA Europe tour in Paris (2006 & 2008).

Despite we don't have the greatest euroleague teams here, Basketball is popular in France and in Paris, our assotiation is one of the oldest (founded in the 1920's), and this sport began in France in 1893 !!!

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Old May 27th, 2009, 01:44 AM   #245
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and this sport began in France in 1893 !!!
I've always heard differently, James Naismith (a Canadian) invented it in the USA.
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Old May 27th, 2009, 01:58 AM   #246
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NBA with club called "Paris" would fail miserably simple because 99% of France would rather kill them self than support anything with "Paris" in clubs name. Same would happen in any other country except for UK. In UK there is no rivalry at this field so there wouldn't be problem
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Old May 27th, 2009, 02:20 AM   #247
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I've always heard differently, James Naismith (a Canadian) invented it in the USA.
I think he was saying that the sport came to France in 1893, which it did.
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Old May 27th, 2009, 02:50 AM   #248
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Indeed !!! (sorry for the misunderstanding)

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NBA with club called "Paris" would fail miserably simple because 99% of France would rather kill them self than support anything with "Paris" in clubs name. Same would happen in any other country except for UK. In UK there is no rivalry at this field so there wouldn't be problem
You know, we don't care here in Paris, if the rest of France likes us or not, nothing new .... BTW it wont be 99 % because Paris is almost 20 % of France.

I think the 11,2 millions of inhabitants of Paris will be enough for support this team.... AND anyway it could take a similar name than the oldest multisport clubs of France (including Basketball since 1893): "Stade Français" and "Racing-Club de France".

In NBA there are teams who have the name of their state instead of the city !

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NBA with club called "Paris" would fail miserably simple because 99% of France would rather kill them self than support anything with "Paris" in clubs name. Same would happen in any other country except for UK. In UK there is no rivalry at this field so there wouldn't be problem
why is that?
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Old May 27th, 2009, 03:18 AM   #250
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why is that?
Because European basketball fans are the same people as the Euro football fans and i don't think that i need to explain you how things work there and all the hatred and riots that happen on weekly basis all over Europe. In England there is absolutely no basketball culture and fan support on local level so it might work there. Anywhere else, no way. Especially not in Italy, Germany or Greece.
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AND anyway it could take a similar name than the oldest multisport clubs of France (including Basketball since 1893): "Stade Français" and "Racing-Club de France".
No way. More likely:

"Paris Bastilles"
"Paris Berets"

These dumb names are much more likely.
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Old May 27th, 2009, 03:44 AM   #252
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I think eventually a trans-Atlantic or/and a trans-Pacific division league will be come to fruition or at least attempted, perhaps in a variety of sports. In both American and European sports leagues more then ever the big mega-clubs (often big metro's) are more richer, have more resources, and advantage. These days to make domestic leagues more competitive federations are forced to impose on larger clubs by things like revenue sharing or salary caps which the larget markets feel restricted by.

Perhaps my sentiment is sacrilegious to some but I think it would be exciting to have a league with say 10 teams from Asia, 10 from NA/SA, 10 from Europe. I would speculate in a hypothethical international soccer legaue for instance that if New York, D.C. or Chicago was put in a league overnight with the likes of Madrid, London, Munich, etc. with the talent to compete it would dwarf the modest crowds and appreciation the Chicago Fire gets now.

I think many who are so protective of keeping domestic leagues sacrosanct underestimate to the degree most fans of any potential sports are attracted to high level competition with top notch talent as the primary attraction.
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Old May 27th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #253
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It could work in basket but not in soccer however. Soccer is based on rivalries and history between teams. Manchester United wants to play their rivals Liverpool or Arsenal or their city rivals Manchester City, not Chicago because they don't share any history or tradition whatsoever. Ok, with a lot of superstars you will certainly create more interest but still supporters of teams want to see the teams which they share a lot of tradition & rivalry with.


In basket it's possible because in the NBA they use franchises and you can change a team from a small city to a big city without any problems, no one will complain. On the other hand in european basket it's also the same system like in soccer. Tradition, history, rivalries. I'm sure european clubs want to play NBA teams but still the biggest match for panathinaikos will be saloniki (or whoever the rival is )

Based on the american system of franchises I understand you and I agree that it could be possible but based on the european system it will never happen.

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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #254
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Speaking of NBA and Paris. It was rather amusing that bit in Rush Hour 3 with the cabbie dissing the NBA(and Americans)
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Old May 28th, 2009, 04:15 PM   #255
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Clichés......
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Old June 10th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #256
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NBA with club called "Paris" would fail miserably simple because 99% of France would rather kill them self than support anything with "Paris" in clubs name. Same would happen in any other country except for UK. In UK there is no rivalry at this field so there wouldn't be problem
Ha ha, no regional rivalry in the UK? Well, for a start there is the whole 'English, Scottish, etc' business, then North vs. South in England (or better yet London vs. everyone else), not to mention inter-regional stuff (e.g. Newcastle & Sunderland; Liverpool & Manchester) . Seriously, I doubt anyone outside the South East (of England) would support a London team on the basis of it representing the UK; many have a chip on their shoulder about media bias and the London centric nature of the country (very similar to France and Paris in that respect).

Anyway, I am personally not a fan of this European division being spouted by the NBA. A much better concept would be a true European league of 32 teams to rival the NBA itself. There is already a strong support base stretching along the Med and into parts of Eastern Europe. I see no reason why there cannot be developments in certain locations of Northern, Western and Central parts of the continent.

The current problem in the UK (and France I believe, not sure about Germany or other places) is how to transfer the huge level of grassroot support (i.e. people playing) into a spectator audience. Basketball is probably the second most played sport after football, for U-18's at least. More schools have basketball courts than cricket or rugby pitches, especially in our cities/large towns where most of the nation live. There are also plenty (in London where I live at least) of street courts, which due to their size and material are much easier to build/maintain than grass fields. I think part of the problem is political (the cricket and rugby associations have a much larger influence over the media than the British basketball version and there isn't really room for a 4th major sport) and the other cultural, whereby it is seen as too American. Putting it within a European context and seeing the football-like atmosphere in Athens, Zagreb is much more appealing to a British/English audience than the plastic crap at NBA arenas (see the debate about football grounds).
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #257
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This is an idiotic idea that is determined to fail in my mind. Everything should just stay as it is in theory but with a looot of improvements in real life of course.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 03:23 AM   #258
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Expanding the NBA or any American league across the Atlantic is a dumb idea. Instead, they should form some sort of alliance with the European leagues and play games that will count in each leagues standing against teams from the opposite continent. You could have the top 5 American teams playing the top 5 Euro teams, then the 6-10 teams, 11-15 teams, etc.

They should be real games though, exhibition games aren't a good idea b/c neither team will take it seriously, wont play defense and we'll end up with an all star game-ish 145-141 final every time. Besides, I am tired of the top notch Euro soccer teams coming to America and not trying. You Euro fans wouldnt want to see the basketball equivalent of that.

Hopefully one day it will evolve to the point where the champion of the USA could play the champion of Europe for the World Championship, similar to what the AFL and NFL did in the first few Super Bowls before the two leagues merged.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 01:43 AM   #259
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Three Balkan cities deserve such an event: Istanbul, Athens, Belgrade(maybe Zagreb)...
Big cities with big arenas, and a lot of basketball fans...

Other European cities that deserve such an event are Barcelona, Madrid, Moskow, Berlin, Rome or Bologna, some french city..
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Old December 31st, 2009, 01:49 AM   #260
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Lithuania, Kaunas too - with it's newly 15,000 arena
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