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Old January 2nd, 2009, 03:59 AM   #61
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As we don't have a professional league and are actively courting things to fill our large arenas i'd think London would bite your hand off, although it woud be totally privately financed, our cities aren't held to ransom by our "sports organisations"!!

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you'd add 10 teams to a 30 team league?

haven't the NFL stated that 32 is the perfect number, as you can have even divisions and schedules, and enough teams get to the playoffs to keep the season alive and on point. 40 teams with one trophy is excessive!

or are you proposing relocating 10 american franchises

All hypothetical of course...
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:19 AM   #62
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David stern is just fantasizing .....if he wanted to create this he would have....he has been saying this since like 2001....in maybe 5 years time....plz....NBA china is david stern main focus right now.....basketball is the most popular sport in china...and china is an emerging market and creating NBA china will be a huge money for NBA revenue and marketing.
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from Wiki: Beijing, China

The recent increase of international players like Chinese Yao Ming (pictured in white) has increased interest abroad and opened business opportunities for expansion into China.The NBA also sells its products outside the United States, most notably in China. The NBA's international operations only provide 10 percent of total profit, however the NBA has seen a recent increase in possible business opportunities abroad.[16]

Statistics revealed that 300 million out of China's 1.3 billion population played basketball, additionally "83 per cent of males between 15 to 61 years old are interested in the game," and the NBA was reported to be "the most popular sports league in the country."[16] In 2006 it was reported that the NBA was planning to open its first store in Beijing, China (on Wangfujing Street) or Shanghai China.[16] Partly due to Yao Ming (1st overall pick in 2001) and Yi Jianlian's (6th overall pick in 2007) popularity in their home country, the NBA now sells its products in some 30,000-50,000 retail locations in China.[17][18] During the 2006 season the NBA broadcasted its games in 215 countries and had 83 foreign players, about a quarter of the total players;[19] In 2008 it had 75 players from 32 different countries.[20]

On January 14, 2008 the NBA announced the formation of NBA China ("a joint venture of the NBA, broadcaster ESPN and Chinese companies"),[21] "that will conduct all of the league’s businesses in Greater China,"[22] the new entity will be lead by Tim Chen (former CEO of Microsoft Greater China).[23] In preparation for the 2008 Olympics in China, the NBA opened a flagship store in Beijing, the JuneYao Group was chosen to lead marketing operations for the retail chain-store.[24]
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:37 AM   #64
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Chicago is more illinois, than paris is france.

For real comparisons between US states and european countries you should choose states without a completely dominant city

Florida, New York, Ohio, Texas and California all spring to mind
That's why California and Texas and Florida all have more than one team.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 05:46 AM   #65
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A European NBA franchise, whereever it is based would probably consist of at least 3-4 domestic players. Now thatīs a problem in the UK, everything else fits the bill. London is multi-cultural, many common things with the US (not a major culture shock), easy to acces by plane, large population. Same thing goes, more or less, for Paris, Berlin maybe also 1-2 other cities. A team in Athens would have difficulties with the language barier, huge culture shock. American players like every player in every country are creatures of habbit. They want to have all the conviniants of home, and frankly, cities in eastern and southern europe donīt provide completly. Plus many of those places donīt have direct flights to the US. Many Balkan countries aswell Spain and Italy would be ideal for the team simply because they play the best basketball in europe, the crowds know the game.
Scandinavia would be perfect place to have NHL Europe franchise, Stockholm would be perfect city for that, but I think that chances for getting NHL expansion team in Europe are bigger in London or Germany cos the market is much bigger there. Regardless that they lack many other things. Itīs the similar situation in North America, many Canadian teams get sold and moved to the US and expansion franchies open in places like Florida, North Carolina and Arizona. The money is there so they go there.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 07:22 AM   #66
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It's a pipe dream (I know)---but how about adding another division to both the Eastern and Western Conferences? The European division would join the Eastern Conference and a China/Asia division would join the Western conference? I realize that labeling China as anything "Western" sounds stupid, but it wouldn't be if we are going off of the dividing line of the NBA (Mississippi River).


Western Confernece

Asian Division
-Bejing
-Shanghai
-Tokyo
-Guangzhou
-Shenzhen (or Hong Kong)

Eastern Conference

European Division
-London
-Paris
-Milan
-Madrid or Barcelona
-Athens/Amsterdam/Frankfurt/etc.


Also, I am not sure if these European nations that have their own established leagues or teams would support the NBA.
I think it would be cool to get both an Asian and European division on board. I would think that the NBA would be shy about taking both on board at the same time though. The NBA would probably see what success it had in Europe before it sets up shop in Asia.

Four or five teams in a Asia and Europe divisions would work. To the one person who said is 32 teams for a league? I don't think it matters much as long as the divisions and conferences have the same number of teams. The only serious wonder I have is if there was a talent drop off from its players. More then any other sport basketball depends on their superstars and their is only so many impact superstars that make their teams competitive (one of the reasons I love the NFL over the NBA as its less superstar dependant). Also an Asian/Europe conference would make the league a truly 24/7 league but scheduling times with East Asia and the U.S. is much more complicated compared to the 5-7 hour European/NA difference. Will people early in the morning in Tokyo or Chicago really wake up early to watch their team on TV play on the road? That said, if I were to recommend a four or five team addition I would go.

Europe
1.) London
2.) Madrid
3.) Milan
4.) Berlin (or perhaps Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg if they provide a better arena deal)
If a fifth team - Barcelona or Rome

Asia
1.) Tokyo
2.) Shanghai
3.) Seoul
4.) Osaka
If five either Hong Kong or Beijing...Would love to give it to Manila given the Philippines is basketball mad but don't know if they have a wealthy enough economy.

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BobDaBuilder It would have been a possibilty if the Concorde was still in operation. It was 4 hours from London/Paris to New York. It is too far to be doing 10 hour flights every other day.
It would not nearly be 10 hours every other day, nor even once per week. If you block in your lump your schedule right one can make the amount and length of tours more infrequent.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:05 PM   #67
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Chicago is more illinois, than paris is france.

For real comparisons between US states and european countries you should choose states without a completely dominant city

Florida, New York, Ohio, Texas and California all spring to mind
But even in Illinois, once you get to Southern Illinois people identify or look towards St Louis, Missouri more than Chicago.



Orange are Cub fans and Green are St Louis Fans. It's a rough map, but it gives the general impression.

Even in Illinois, a state which Chicago completely dominates. Theres regional differences. But honestly who cares, Paris, Berlin, London...they're all huge cities. They alone are more than enough to support an NBA team.
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It's much closer than some of you realize.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/dec/14/ussport
Mmhh.
AEG will be the operator of the new Galatasaray stadium.
There are rumours that they will be also involved in our new Arena.
So maybe Istanbul would be another city.
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A European NBA franchise, whereever it is based would probably consist of at least 3-4 domestic players. Now thatīs a problem in the UK, everything else fits the bill. London is multi-cultural, many common things with the US (not a major culture shock), easy to acces by plane, large population. Same thing goes, more or less, for Paris, Berlin maybe also 1-2 other cities. A team in Athens would have difficulties with the language barier, huge culture shock. American players like every player in every country are creatures of habbit. They want to have all the conviniants of home, and frankly, cities in eastern and southern europe donīt provide completly. Plus many of those places donīt have direct flights to the US. Many Balkan countries aswell Spain and Italy would be ideal for the team simply because they play the best basketball in europe, the crowds know the game.
Lets speak with facts.

About cities populations.

Athens has similar population with the other southern european cities and way bigger than any balkan city

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Athens: The urban area of Athens extends beyond the administrative city limits with a population of 3,130,841 (in 2001)[1] and a land area of 412 km2 (159 sq mi).[3] According to Eurostat, the Athens Larger Urban Zone (LUZ) is the 7th most populated LUZ in the European Union with a population of 4,013,368 (in 2004).
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Rome: Italy's largest and most populous city, with 2,705,317 residents,[3] an urban area of 3,457,690[4] as well as a metropolitan area of 4,013,057 inhabitants spread over a 5,352 kmē area
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Madrid: The population of the city is roughly 3.2 million (as of December 2005), while the estimated urban area population is 5.1 million. The entire population of the Madrid metropolitan area (urban area and suburbs) is calculated to be 5.84 million. The city spans a total of 607 kmē (234 sq mi)
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Barcelona: s the capital and most populous city of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia and the second largest city in Spain, with a population of 1,615,908 in 2008, while the population of the Metropolitan Area was 3,161,081. It is the central nucleus of the Urban Region of Barcelona, which relies on a population of about 5.5 million
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About the language barier.

Athens and whole Hellas is huge tourist destination, many here know to communicate more or less in English and if i am not wrong it has one the highest percentages in Europe.

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About the culture shock.

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About the American players and the domestic leagues.

From the hellenic league have passed great american players like bairon davis, dominique wilkins etc... The most well paid player ever in European basketball history is Josh Childress of Olympiacos
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Joshua (Josh) Malik Childress (born June 20, 1983 in Harbor City, California) is an American professional basketball player who currently plays for Olympiacos in the Greek League [1] and the Euroleague.

During the 2004-05 NBA season Childress emerged as one of two promising rookie talents for the Atlanta Hawks, along with Josh Smith; the two showed improved play, minutes, and production. Childress ranked third among rookies in double-doubles in the 2004-05 season, behind only Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard.

On July 23, 2008, Josh Childress accepted and signed an unprecedented $20 million net pay salary deal (worth more than the full NBA MLE) for 3 years with the Euroleague club Olympiacos. [1][2] The contract included opt-out options after each of the first two seasons. Childress also received a Greek Nike shoe contract after signing with Olympiacos, a Nike sponsorship club. He had been offered a 5 year $33 million gross pay deal by the Atlanta Hawks, but he turned it down. [3]
As for the hellenic basketball, the power of the clubs of the hellenic league and the national team can guarantee that basketball will continue to be played here on the highest level.

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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:39 PM   #70
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Scandinavia would be perfect place to have NHL Europe franchise, Stockholm would be perfect city for that, but I think that chances for getting NHL expansion team in Europe are bigger in London or Germany cos the market is much bigger there. Regardless that they lack many other things. Itīs the similar situation in North America, many Canadian teams get sold and moved to the US and expansion franchies open in places like Florida, North Carolina and Arizona. The money is there so they go there.
not true at all the NBA and NFL are much much bigger than the NHL in London, ice hockey is a very very minor sport. Most universities have basketball and gridiron teams, i can't think of one with a hockey team, field hockey yes...
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and you above, athens doesn't stand a chance against the big western european cities, no matter what you say!
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and you above, athens doesn't stand a chance against the big western european cities, no matter what you say!
Ofcourse that they do... there's more money in Greek bball than some EPL clubs can dream about... not to mention basketball TV ratings. Other thing is that in Athens no one would give a sh*t about newly created franchise team.
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Ofcourse that they do... there's more money in Greek bball than some EPL clubs can dream about... not to mention basketball TV ratings. Other thing is that in Athens no one would give a sh*t about newly created franchise team.
what's the EPL?

I'm sorry but in terms of potential for an NBA franchise Athens is way way down the pecking order, having fanactical fans isn't enough!
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what's the EPL?

I'm sorry but in terms of potential for an NBA franchise Athens is way way down the pecking order, having fanactical fans isn't enough!
EPL = English Premier League.. you are from London so i've put it in football terms to make it easier for you.. obviously it didn't help tho

Anyway.. what are you talking about? Only fanatical fans? They already have Arena required + they will build new world class one (Olympiacos), they have money (more than anyone in Euro bball) and they have biggest basketball market in Europe... so whats your point exactly?

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and you above, athens doesn't stand a chance against the big western european cities, no matter what you say!
Have you any idea about European basketball? Alba Berlin, an average Euroleage team, would crush any English team. What western europe are you talking about?
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As SpicyMcHaggis said, if anyone even had the slightest idea about European basketball he would talked with respect about the traditional basketball countries and not like european basketball is a subsidiary company of the americans.

Europe has his own league. Its called Euroleague. The league were the beast teams in Europe compete.
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EPL = English Premier League.. you are from London so i've put it in football terms to make it easier for you.. obviously it didn't help tho

Anyway.. what are you talking about? Only fanatical fans? They already have Arena required + they will build new world class one (Olympiacos), they have money (more than anyone in Euro bball) and they have biggest basketball market in Europe... so whats your point exactly?
It's called the FA premier league!!! Don't call it the EPL!

My point is that having an established fan base is all well and good, and having the money in place etc. What you fail to understand is London is a far more attractive option, it is a far larger media market, corporate potential is greater, and growth is greater.
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Have you any idea about European basketball? Alba Berlin, an average Euroleage team, would crush any English team. What western europe are you talking about?
You guys seem to think that olympiacos would join the NBA, NO, it would a totally new expansion franchise, that would be competing with olympiacos. Alba berlin are irrelevant. So are English teams. The new team would be made up of American players recruited in an expansion draft. Given that greece already has established and popular teams, London is a more likely destination as we don't...

The NBA want to place franchises in the place with the greatest potential recoup and exposure. And a growing London or paris market is far more attractive than a saturated greek market
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As SpicyMcHaggis said, if anyone even had the slightest idea about European basketball he would talked with respect about the traditional basketball countries and not like european basketball is a subsidiary company of the americans.

Europe has his own league. Its called Euroleague. The league were the beast teams in Europe compete.
As i have mentioned, it is all irrelevant, as they are not going to be poaching teams from Europe they will be setting up their own, you fail to understand this...
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Name me one city in Europe (expect cities like London who don't exist in the European basketball map) who would give millions of euros to create 1 franchise team to play in the NBA?
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