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Old January 8th, 2009, 03:34 PM   #161
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Konstanz stop it, you keep re iterating the same points which keep getting disproved regularly, the problem is you don't seem to understand why, despite people repeatedly explaining it to you!
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Old January 8th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #162
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Stop what, the dialogue? From my point of view i bring to the table my opinion about the subject:

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Not everybody wants the NBA, if NBA ever come here (which i higly doubt at least for the following 10 years) will create couple franchise teams propable 6 mainly on virgin basketball cities and thats it.

But even that is dificult,

A) you have this huge distances

B) you need new NBA type arena which costs millions euros

C) you need a solid fan base to support this newly created team, which means every game must be sold out or at the vast majority full

D) The local team and the sport (basketball) must "sell" in a way to attract sponsors and commercials and to be seen around the local country

E) Many milions euros to buy players and be competive in NBA, i beleive at least 60-70 milions euros for start

F) and above all, you must find a man who will pay for all this.
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Moscow has the same population as London and Paris.
+ CSKA Moscow is the current Euroleague champion

Russia has the population of UK and France combined.
+ Russia is the current European champion

So what?
and all i can read is 3-4 guys keep repeating about the market and the wealth of their cities.

So according to you guys the No 1 requirement is how much money per month earns the local population?
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Old January 8th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #163
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In Americas:

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Santiago Arena - Chile
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Old January 8th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #164
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however, that record has long since been broken
By who, when? + source
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Old January 8th, 2009, 06:33 PM   #165
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London is the most racially and culturally diverse city in the world
It's 58.2% white British.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #166
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Well it claims to be and does have a pretty good claim and even if it isn’t my point was that with such a huge range of people there will always be a place for a large number of different tastes and preferences.
Only Miami and Toronto have higher percentages of foreign born citizens living in their city, in London there are over 300 different languages spoken, there are 19 different nationalities with a high population in the city (30,000+) and there is lots of different religions represented in the city.
But back to my original point with all them cultures mixing there will always be a market for a sport like basketball or any other sport for that matter.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 04:40 AM   #167
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Moscow has the same population as London and Paris.
+ CSKA Moscow is the current Euroleague champion

Russia has the population of UK and France combined.
+ Russia is the current European champion

So what?
While this may be true, there is no way that the NBA is ever going to have a team in Moscow. Its too far east and isolated from the other huge European cities. If there ever was going to be a "European division" it would probally be strictly Western European--with a cutoff point at Germany (which I doubt even likes the sport).
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Old January 9th, 2009, 04:44 AM   #168
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and all i can read is 3-4 guys keep repeating about the market and the wealth of their cities.

So according to you guys the No 1 requirement is how much money per month earns the local population?
Pretty much, unfortunaely. That is what I was trying to say before. The NBA is about the money, the brand new arenas, the marketing/advertising, etc.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 05:32 AM   #169
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While this may be true, there is no way that the NBA is ever going to have a team in Moscow. Its too far east and isolated from the other huge European cities. If there ever was going to be a "European division" it would probally be strictly Western European--with a cutoff point at Germany (which I doubt even likes the sport).
I think EVER is a strong word but I think it would be behind the top 4-5 and wouldn't come unless the first go about of European expansion was seen as a success. Moscow has the metro and Russia the right state size to market. Also while there is an uber-rich and corperate class which is a positive though I am not sure if Moscow's middle class would be seen as robust enough (just speculation, perhaps it is robust enough by W. Europe standards).

The NHL in Moscow however I could see as more likely........

On the downside Moscow adds at least a few hours to most of the teams travel scheduling including European teams. Plus Russian-American relations would have to be seen as stable and even though they are not near at cold war levels I think the NBA would want to go where there is high confidence that any serious downturn in relations isn't at all likely. Also unlike some other cities in which some NA players may see living as an exotic fun place to play I am not sure if Moscow would be very high on many players list to transplant to. Of course being professional athletes some would place in Yellowknife, Canada if the contract is right.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #170
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It's 58.2% white British.
in 2001 when the census was severely undercounted, London has changed massively even in from 2001 when i was still at school!
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Old January 9th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #171
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I know supersonic business jets are in development. Maybe teams could buy these to reduce the travel headaches and make it a possibility. Time change would still be a nightmare obviously.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #172
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I know supersonic business jets are in development. Maybe teams could buy these to reduce the travel headaches and make it a possibility. Time change would still be a nightmare obviously.
They wouldn't have to resort to that, teams wouldn't come over very often. When they do, they play all around Europe, not just one team for two days and then dash back home.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #173
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I like Euroleague, but i've no doubt a franchise based in Spain would be much more popular than any Euroleague team now. Specially if they sign any Spanish player for marketing purposes...

Bigboss: ¿what is the actual popularity of NFL in the UK? And your domestic league?

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Old January 10th, 2009, 09:44 PM   #174
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I like Euroleague, but i've no doubt a franchise based in Spain would be much more popular than any Euroleague team now. Specially if they sign any Spanish player for marketing purposes...

Bigboss: ¿what is the actual popularity of NFL in the UK? And your domestic league?
we have no domestic league as such... amatuer leagues yes but no professional league that i know of...

the sport got really big in the 80s and early 90s when they had the world bowl and the london monarchs, used to be on channel 4 IIRC and used to get big audiences, then it petered out, but with sky and channel 5 running with it, it's increasingly popular now and a franchise would be massive... it is probably the in the top 5 biggest university sports (after Football, Rugby etc)
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Old January 10th, 2009, 11:54 PM   #175
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I think EVER is a strong word but I think it would be behind the top 4-5 and wouldn't come unless the first go about of European expansion was seen as a success. Moscow has the metro and Russia the right state size to market. Also while there is an uber-rich and corperate class which is a positive though I am not sure if Moscow's middle class would be seen as robust enough (just speculation, perhaps it is robust enough by W. Europe standards).

The NHL in Moscow however I could see as more likely........
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Yeah, you are probally right. If the league was very successful in Western Europe, I could see them maybe doing it. The idea of having teams needing to travel from Houston or Chicago to Moscow or Athens, then back to the states to play a home game just makes your head spin. I don't know who it would be worse for----the players or the guys who have to write the schedules!
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Old January 11th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #176
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why should nba choose london?

Warsaw is going to be just as attractive, a modern enpty 20 000 indoor hall. Center of europe. Good infastructure by 2012.

Like England basketball in Poland, is on a low level.
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is it nba ready with press access, amenities, ect, or just just modern
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is it nba ready with press access, amenities, ect, or just just modern
i really think it depends on the city. NBA arena i guess would mean that its loaded with suites and such but it should depend on who lives in the city and who will go to the games. Its a different culture, even if it is the NBA.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #179
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why should nba choose london?

Warsaw is going to be just as attractive, a modern enpty 20 000 indoor hall. Center of europe. Good infastructure by 2012.

Like England basketball in Poland, is on a low level.
Because London is one of the most important cities in the world with lots of money, advertising revenue, diversity, and they speak English.
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what he said
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