Question about Hungarian Peoples Origins

[Bekir]

Well Huns are a turkish tribe.They come from Asia to Europe and built an empire with their king Atilla the Hun.Atilla had asian eyes.The Huns also built empires in Central Asia.The question is what happened with the Huns in Europe after Atilla the Hun died ??? After his death the Empire collapsed.

I don´t know how far magyars and huns are related ?? But one thing is sure :they are influenced from each other.But after centuries the magyars adopted the culture and influence from their slavic neighbours.

Some hungarians still have asian eyes



Maybe they are real huns

[blogen_]

Originally Posted by Bekir

I don´t know how far magyars and huns are related ?? But one thing is sure: they are influenced from each other.

The Hun-Hungarian relationship served the Hungarian kings' political legitimacy. But early on the Eurasian steppe, the Turks and the Hungarian tribes' contact were exceptionally tight.

But after centuries the magyars adopted the culture and influence from their slavic neighbours.

No, we learned from the Germans and the Italians. The Slavs with us learned the western Christianity and culture. The pagan Slavs and the pagan Magyars equally differ from the Christian Europeans. The Moravians were Christian earlier only. Byzantine Christians. Fortunately we destroyed their state. Because of this not orthodox Christians today the western Slavs.

Some hungarians still have asian eyes

Mya-Diamond very mongoloid. The typical Hungarian turanid not this much:

[venom6]

Well as Hungary is over 1000 year old the carphatian basin had allways attacks. We had the Tatars who killed a few million people, then we had the Ottoman invasion and occupation for over 100 years. The end result was that while in western Europe the population was rising, Hungary had a demographic fall. There were only 4 million people after the destruction of the Tatars! This is the point where the Kingdom of Hungary became slowly but surely a multi ethnical country. The serbs escaped from the Ottomans and so did the wlachs and they resettled in Transylvania. Under the Ottoman rule our country fell to 3 big pieces (look at Wikipedia for more info).

So we also had many germans from South Germany, who were brought here by Mária Terézia. They call this event "Der große Schwabenzug" where a lot of german people found a new home here. This resulted that even Transylvania had Saxon settlers.

On my father side i have german blood, and our family tree goes back to the years of 1700. On my mother side i have french blood. So true hungarian blood? No i guess not
I have brown eyes and drak hair, white skin.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by venom6

Well as Hungary is over 1000 year old the carphatian basin had allways attacks. We had the Tatars who killed a few million people, then we had the Ottoman invasion and occupation for over 100 years. The end result was that while in western Europe the population was rising, Hungary had a demographic fall. There were only 4 million people after the destruction of the Tatars! This is the point where the Kingdom of Hungary became slowly but surely a multi ethnical country. The serbs escaped from the Ottomans and so did the wlachs and they resettled in Transylvania. Under the Ottoman rule our country fell to 3 big pieces (look at Wikipedia for more info).

That's a beautiful, but untrue story (at least on this part ->). Wlachs (or more correct now Romanians) were in Transilvania before and throughout the Hungarian rule...were they to come when you said, as migrants, they would've been assimilated, as most migrants have been assimilated in Moldova and Wallachia before (from Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks, Jews, Germans, Armenians etc).

BTW: Moldovan Romanians also faught bravelly and quite succesfully for a period both the Ottomans and the Tatars, keeping the Hungarian kingdom at bay for a while from such attacks.

[Turnovec]

What i know is that Hungarians(Magyars) and Bulgarians(Bulgars) were neighbours for more than a millenuim, from the Caspian basin to modern day's territories... well until the Ottomans came though Both tribes have common origin as well, and while the Magyars kept their language and imposed it to the newcommers in their community, the Bulgars slowly adopted the slavic one...

[blogen_]

Originally Posted by Le Clerk

That's a beautiful, but untrue story (at least on this part ->). Wlachs (or more correct now Romanians) were in Transilvania before and throughout the Hungarian rule

The historians outside Romania not accepted the daco-romanian continuity theory. This myth a big ballast for the Romanian historians.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by blogen_

The historians outside Romania not accepted the daco-romanian continuity theory.

OK. That's your point of view. The fact of the matter is that most western historians stop short of mentioning that Romanian and Hungarian historians differ on that matter.

I do not want to enter into this dispute cause it's endless, but aside from the historic evidence which is plenty for the theory of continuity, there's no logic and no historic evidence or precedent for that matter for the discontinuity version of the history.

[blogen_]

Originally Posted by Le Clerk

OK. That's your point of view. The fact of the matter is that most western historians stop short of mentioning that Romanian and Hungarian historians differ on that matter.

I do not want to enter into this dispute cause it's endless, but aside from the historic evidence which is plenty for the theory of continuity, there's no logic and no historic evidence or precedent for that matter for the discontinuity version of the history.

In Hungary the history not national affair, but the historians' home affair. In Romania dot contrary. Because of this meaningless the debate.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by blogen_

In Hungary the history not national affair, but the historians' home affair. In Romania dot contrary. Because of this meaningless the debate.

White and black worlds have long become extinct.

[blogen_]

Originally Posted by Le Clerk

White and black worlds have long become extinct.

With time maybe.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by blogen_

With time maybe.

When I see widespread maps of migration patterns of Romanians in Europe like there are such migration maps of the Vizigots, Ostrogots, Gepids, Magyars, Bulgars etc, then I will believe it. Until then, I do not buy it.

[Cosmin]

God damn it! It's history for the love of God! It shouldn't matter if you're Romanian or Hungarian. Facts are facts.

Obviously I learned the official Romanian version is school, but given the claims on both sides, and my lack of time to investigate those claims from various sources, I hold a sort of agnostic position on the matter: I don't know (yet).

It's my feeling that a good chunk of you, Romanian or Hungarian, also lack solid fundaments for the theories you accept. I've seen it many times. Kudos to the ones that seem to have properly informed themselves on the matter though.

But what I found scary is that most Hungarians hold one position, while the Romanians hold the opposing position. I'll leave you to guess what position each party holds.

[RawLee]

Originally Posted by Le Clerk

When I see widespread maps of migration patterns of Romanians in Europe like there are such migration maps of the Vizigots, Ostrogots, Gepids, Magyars, Bulgars etc, then I will believe it. Until then, I do not buy it.

Here you go

[Le Clerk]

That map is a reasons for my grief that my ancestors did not end up on the Australian coast.

[Cosmin]

Green - Hungarians
Orange - Dutch

Right?

[tomis3]

Speaking of migrations, some years back when was living in Seattle I came across the funniest taxi driver.

It's about 5 AM and I headed to the airport...the taxi driver is an African immigrant (like a good chunk of taxi drivers are in big US cities)....anyway...We start making small talk and I ask him where he's from and he looks at me with a puzzled look on his face and says: "I'm Irish...don't you recognize my Boston accent?" I start laughing and but he insists it's all true and then adds.."but I don't drink." I ask him why and he says that his great-grandfather was the captain of a ship and on a voyage to America he got drunk and instead of landing in Boston Harbor he ended up on the East African coast...that's why, the taxi driver explains, he was born a black Somali rather than a white Bostonian.

[Bikes]

Originally Posted by Cosmin

Green - Hungarians
Orange - Dutch

Right?

yellow - jews

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by tomis3

Speaking of migrations, some years back when was living in Seattle I came across the funniest taxi driver.

It's about 5 AM and I headed to the airport...the taxi driver is an African immigrant (like a good chunk of taxi drivers are in big US cities)....anyway...We start making small talk and I ask him where he's from and he looks at he with a puzzled look on his face and says: "I'm Irish...don't you recognize my Boston accent?" I start laughing and but he insists it's all true and then adds.."but I don't drink." I ask him why and he says that his great-grandfather was the captain of a ship and on a voyage to America he got drunk and instead of landing in Boston Harbor he ended up on the East African coast...that's why, the taxi driver explains, he was born a black Somali rather than a white Bostonian.

What a confusion in his head! America is indeed very big. It can host many weirdos.

[ban Bank]

Originally Posted by venom6

So we also had many germans from South Germany, who were brought here by Mária Terézia. They call this event "Der große Schwabenzug" where a lot of german people found a new home here. This resulted that even Transylvania had Saxon settlers.

Saxon settlers arrived in the XI-XII. Century.

[ban Bank]

Originally Posted by Turnovec

What i know is that Hungarians(Magyars) and Bulgarians(Bulgars) were neighbours for more than a millenuim, from the Caspian basin to modern day's territories... well until the Ottomans came though Both tribes have common origin as well, and while the Magyars kept their language and imposed it to the newcommers in their community, the Bulgars slowly adopted the slavic one...

The word „Pest” (Budapest) means ’cave’ and derives from a Bulgarian word (peshta = cave).

The word „Hungary” probably derives from On-oghur, they were our brother nation (Onoghur Bulgars).

The word „Nándorfehérvár” (old hungarian name for Belgrade) means ’Bulgarian white fortress/town’.

The word „székely” (ethnic subgroup of the Hungarian nation in Romania) probably derives from ’eskil’ (one of the tribes of the Bulgarian Turks).