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Old June 30th, 2006, 05:15 AM   #1
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Moscow buses and trolleybuses

Post pics of Moscow buses or trolleybuses here!
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Old July 8th, 2006, 07:54 PM   #2
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foto by grohotailo











foto by Artem Svetlov


foto by Dmitriy Kasatkin


foto by Aleksandr Konov





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Old July 8th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #3
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Wow, moscow has very modern busses.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 09:16 AM   #4
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Wow, moscow has very modern busses.
Yes, Moscow could fake any buses or trolleybuses you have in Western Europe or North America.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 10:39 AM   #5
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Should this thread also include light-rail/tramways?
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Old July 9th, 2006, 12:33 PM   #6
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Yes, Moscow could fake any buses or trolleybuses you have in Western Europe or North America.
Xntrx, your behavior towards Russia seems very hysteric.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 12:51 PM   #7
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Looks quite new but too similar to those used in the rest of European countries.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 12:55 PM   #8
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Should this thread also include light-rail/tramways?
Moscow does not have light rails. As of trams - there are just 3 common types of trams. Tatra T3, 71-608* and 71-619*

From autumn Moscow should begin receiving new 71-630 (low floor trainsets)


photos from vagons.tramvaj.ru

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T3 refurbished
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Old July 9th, 2006, 07:41 PM   #9
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Link in french on public transports in Moscow (Xenon is Russian)
http://megabus33.jexiste.fr/viewtopic.php?t=731
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Old July 10th, 2006, 01:46 PM   #10
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Looks quite new but too similar to those used in the rest of European countries.
Probably, because Moscow is in Europe
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Old July 26th, 2006, 05:16 AM   #11
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From autumn Moscow should begin receiving new 71-630 (low floor trainsets)
I heared there will be a contest. A new tram line is going to be built and there is many competitors: Ust-Katavsk (with UT 71-630), Saint-Petersburg plant, Bombardier (it's plant in Riga), Minsk 'Belcommunmash' and so on. But everyone beleives 71-630 is a favorite (regardles to this model is just u/c).
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Old July 26th, 2006, 06:59 AM   #12
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some links

Moscow tramway

http://tram.ruz.net/welcome.htm

http://tram.rusign.com/tramway_eng.htm

http://www.geocities.com/ayelagin/

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/...-608K/pix.html
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Old July 27th, 2006, 12:20 AM   #13
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Thanks for posting these photos & info on Moscow's surface transit.

Moscow's trolleybus system is one of the best in the world, having added lots more variety in different Russian & Belarus vehicle types over the past decade.

Hopefully, Moscow's tram system can be preserved & perhaps expanded or upgraded in places to light rail.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 02:44 AM   #14
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Moscow trolleybus sites:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/.../MTRZ/pix.html

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/...karus/pix.html

http://trolley.ruz.net/

http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/ph...ow.photo.2.htm

http://villamosok.hu/troli/ik-280-obus/e_index.html

http://mtb-photo.narod.ru/

Many good pics there, just check!

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Old July 27th, 2006, 02:58 AM   #15
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Moscow's trolleybus system is one of the best in the world, having added lots more variety in different Russian & Belarus vehicle types over the past decade.
Oh yes, but most of them are old fashioned. The very nice orange trolleybus on the photos is just passing tests now. There is only one machine like this in the streets.

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Hopefully, Moscow's tram system can be preserved & perhaps expanded or upgraded in places to light rail.
Well, tram is definitely not a favorite transport for Moscow government. The tram network is decreasing. Mostly because of active road development: tram lines is hardly compatible with multilevel and high loaded roads, it's expensive to build tram briges.

We have an automobile boom in Moscow now, many many people buy cars, but roads are too narrow and it is hard to find parking (mostly in the center of the city). We have too many traffic jams, all roads are overloaded. The only way to stop it is to develop public transport systems especially harmless to the nature kinds like metro, tram, light rail, trolley and monorail. But it is hard to make: tikets are cheap and public transport is allways unprofitable and to have an own car is like to have a special status - few people are ready to change their cars to trams.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 01:29 PM   #16
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nice photo from vagons.tramvaj.ru

3 common moscow trams in a row

Refurbished T3, 71-619 and 71-608


as of 01.01.2006, accroding to
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/compact.php?cid=13
71-608 - 346
71-619 - 194
Refurbished T3 - 91
LM-99A - 46 http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?id=1906
71-616 - 2
71-617 - 12
71-621 - 1
LT-5 - 4 http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?id=592
T7 - 2 http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?id=42
LM-2000 - 1 http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?id=230
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Old July 27th, 2006, 03:00 PM   #17
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We have an automobile boom in Moscow now, many many people buy cars, but roads are too narrow and it is hard to find parking (mostly in the center of the city). We have too many traffic jams, all roads are overloaded. The only way to stop it is to develop public transport systems especially harmless to the nature kinds like metro, tram, light rail, trolley and monorail. But it is hard to make: tikets are cheap and public transport is allways unprofitable and to have an own car is like to have a special status - few people are ready to change their cars to trams.
Aren't roads by themselves even less profitable for city? Not taking into accout positive effect of mobility, gained as by cars as by public transit, roads cost more, cars pollute air more. Cost of road construction are not included when calculating 'profitability' of roads, is't like self-evident that they shall be funded from taxes.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 08:46 AM   #18
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3 common moscow trams in a row

Refurbished T3, 71-619 and 71-608
Oh yes, I prefer old Tatra trams (T3) over any of the newer series. Personally I support more construction of tramways in Moscow, operated by older Tatra trams.
(I love the classical feel of those trams)

Trolleybuses... well it's another kind of great transport system. Strangely Moscow seems to have more modern trolleybuses than Edmonton! Yet older trolleybuses in Moscow are usually maintained badly and looking dangerous.
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Old July 29th, 2006, 03:09 AM   #19
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Aren't roads by themselves even less profitable for city?
Oh yes, maybe. But we have now such a period when everybody tryes to buy his own car. Just 20 years ago few people could buy a car and everybody used a public transport. Now public transport associates with something soviet, bad and uncomfortable. I think it will take from 10 to 20 years until everybody will understand that the only way of transport developing in such a big city is to develop a public transport systems. But if we want to move people to the PT, we must make it very comfortable, riding just in time, without overloading, quiet, with good air heating and cooling systems and smooth course. We have to make very much for this.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:08 AM   #20
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old Moscow trolleybus

Hi all: Here is an older Moscow trolleybus in a 1969 photo. The photos posted so far are very nice but not necessarily the most modern and pleasing I've seen.

I will post, later on, some links to photos of the new Vancouver trolleybuses which I think, along with some of the new Chinese trolleybuses, are among the nicest ones around.

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