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Old June 22nd, 2013, 02:11 PM   #181
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I rode SWING trams in Gdańsk many times and they are really comfortable, I can't say the bad word about them, though I must admit that I like another Polish tram even more - Solaris Tramino.





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Old June 22nd, 2013, 02:42 PM   #182
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 02:49 PM   #183
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Russia should focus on improving its tram infrastructure like Poland did, because condition of Russian tram rails is horrible, and these beautiful trams will be devastated because of it, its like buying Porsche for unpaved country roads.
Bingo!
Modernization of tram infrastructure and production of own modern-tramcar (as it was made by Poland in the 2000th). It will be the correct decision.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 03:37 PM   #184
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But how it works for Russian capital with much larger financial opportunities and ambitious programm for development of urban transport? Why need to buy cheap second-class rolling stock?
Maybe it is capital but your KTMs looks like from third sort of province. Comparing to PESA it is three generations back. I think that trams in Moscow are in middle of 40ties according to technology and PESA would be big step into future for you.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 04:19 PM   #185
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http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,14143136,...ny_sukces.html

According to this article 7 other Russian cities are interested with Pesa trams, talks with Yakaterinburg are the most advanced at this moment.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 04:27 PM   #186
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From this article you can read that the PESA tram in Kaliningrad was the first low-floor tram in the whole Russia, WTF? Only in my city 75 % are low-floor trams while buses 100%.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 04:59 PM   #187
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:30 PM   #188
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Maybe it is capital but your KTMs looks like from third sort of province. Comparing to PESA it is three generations back. I think that trams in Moscow are in middle of 40ties according to technology and PESA would be big step into future for you.
It is good for our relations. Warsaw buys subways rolling stock in Russia, and Moscow trams in Poland.
I want to say that we (russians) should themselves take that step forward, as Poland from Konstal-tram to PESA/Solaris, and Russia should take the step from KTM-tram to own modern-tramcars.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:49 PM   #189
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It is good for our relations. Warsaw buys subways rolling stock in Russia, and Moscow trams in Poland.
I want to say that we (russians) should themselves take that step forward, as Poland from Konstal-tram to PESA/Solaris, and Russia should take the step from KTM-tram to own modern-tramcars.
Well, it was 5 years ago, now Warsaw bought 35 Siemens Inspiro for a new metro line
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 06:12 PM   #190
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Well, it was 5 years ago, now Warsaw bought 35 Siemens Inspiro for a new metro line
And..?
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 06:24 PM   #191
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Warsaw is no more interested in Russian made metro trains, they rejected Russian offer twice. Russian company protested the result of tender twice but each time it lost it.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 06:41 PM   #192
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Warsaw is no more interested in Russian made metro trains, they rejected Russian offer twice. Russian company protested the result of tender twice but each time it lost it.
Noch einmal - and..?
Warsaw bought rolling stock from Moscow and Petersburg? Yes, it is fact.
Moscow buys trams in Poland? Probably, but it is not a fact.
This somehow offends you? I don't think so.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 08:13 PM   #193
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markfos please don't take offense at me.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 08:30 PM   #194
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Why would I? Everything is fine, cheers.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 08:43 PM   #195
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 09:48 PM   #196
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It is good for our relations. Warsaw buys subways rolling stock in Russia, and Moscow trams in Poland.
I want to say that we (russians) should themselves take that step forward, as Poland from Konstal-tram to PESA/Solaris, and Russia should take the step from KTM-tram to own modern-tramcars.
As far I know these trams will be made in some local factory.

Anyway Konstal-tram has nothing to do with PESA / Solaris. Solaris it is a new technology brought by Neoplan in nineties and thanks to owner it became one of the top urban buses manufacturers in the Europe. Konstal was sold to Alsom and dissappeared as a brand. PESA is successor of repair works for PKP and it is surprised that they have grown so much (won tenders for Warszawa, Gdańsk, Szeged, Szczecin). Now Sofia is about to buy PESA trams also.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 11:00 PM   #197
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Thanks, I know it.
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Old June 23rd, 2013, 12:43 AM   #198
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June 21, 2013. The new 71-623-02 tramcars at the Rusakov tram depot №5:

bruhlet

June 22, 2013. The testing of new 71-623-02 tramcar №5605 at the Stromynka Street:

Guaglione

June 22, 2013. The beginning of the passenger operation of the new 71-623-02 tramcar №5606 at the Greater Cherkizovskaya Street, tram route №13:

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June 22, 2013. The beginning of the passenger operation of the new 71-623-02 tramcar №5606 at the Stromynka Street, tram route №13:

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Old June 23rd, 2013, 07:46 AM   #199
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AlexeyVT, please stop your political off-topic. I am Russian and I prefer Bombardier, too, but I am asking you to stop calling Pesa trams "cheap and second-class". At least they are much better than all tramcars designed and made in Russia.

Pseudo-patriotism is not here to stay.
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Old June 23rd, 2013, 08:38 AM   #200
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Here in Gdańsk we have both Bombardier and Pesa Swing trams, and I must say that Swings are even more comfortable because of the bigger space. I bet You will be satisfied with these trams.

Here you have a video form Swing's interior in Warsaw.

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