Chennai's Automotive and Auto Components Industry Updates!

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by N.kumar

Vicvin,

Is there any relation between quoted text and your replies. I replied to wlb that as you say ennore is not a non starter, its infact one major port, but now coal of chennai being thrust on it may be spoiler for plans. I heard peugot wasnt interested abt ennore, so chennai port was the trouble. And kattuppalli too will emerge as good port. I am hoping kattupalli emerges as submarine building yard as well.

And please dont assume things. how did you think I have no clue abt ennore or its history or have never been there?

Could you pls tell me how Ennore port is the trouble. Pollution level is much less than Chennai port and Chennai port handles coal, crude oil and Ore handling plant. This did not make people leave Royapuram and Washermanpet. The ore handling plant in Chennai harbor contributes more towards pollution than coal.

Ennore is more than a starter. It is the first auto hub to come up in Chennai. There are about 7 industrial complexes in the town which is the smallest municipality in the state.

[N.kumar]

VICvin,

Nice pic, btwn is it same pic u posted in india trans or is it new pic?

[N.kumar]

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

Could you pls tell me how Ennore port is the trouble. Pollution level is much less than Chennai port and Chennai port handles coal, crude oil and Ore handling plant. This did not make people leave Royapuram and Washermanpet. The ore handling plant in Chennai harbor contributes more towards pollution than coal.

Ennore is more than a starter. It is the first auto hub to come up in Chennai. There are about 7 industrial complexes in the town which is the smallest municipality in the state.

Boss do you even read my posts before replying?

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by wlbkng

link gives info on no. of cars mfd and about to be manufactured. Whilst I would not believe on speculations too much,

Chennai - 12,80,000 Cars per annum (Current)

Sanand - 7,65,000 cars per annum (2014 projected)

Pune - 6,10,000 cars per annum.

This does not include trucks manufactured in the state where TN has a major share too nor auto comp industries or R&D centres. Auto Hub term makes sense with R&D centres, auto comp industries etc along with mfg plants.



Everyone can't be a VS007

thanks.

This is an alarm for tn gvt.

What’s more, going forward, if Maruti follows the foot-steps of global auto giants, then days are not far that Gujarat would command car manufacturing industry in the country with a staggering installed capacities of close to over 1.7 million cars per annum. This would pip Tamil Nadu (TN)’s numero-uno status for car manufacturing in India and put Gujarat in the distinct club of top 10 centres in the world for car manufacturing

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by N.kumar

VICvin,

Nice pic, btwn is it same pic u posted in india trans or is it new pic?

Thanks Kumar. Its the same one.

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by N.kumar

Boss do you even read my posts before replying?

Your reply was centered on the port and mine was around the industries that existed for decades. Ennore port is a 10 year old thing whereas the industries in the norther suburbs are half a century old. The hub itself is much older than the port which most believe triggered investment in the area.

[harendrain]

Originally Posted by N.kumar

Arul,

Every state has enough negative image. its how the positive image overcomes this thats important. GUj has big negative in communication skills, talent pool. But now in india this pool can come from anywhere wrt to higher hierarchy. The lower hierarchy is where we score. We have many ITI's. Thats reason gujarat is now addressing this shortage with some excellent programs for quickly creating a pool. Skill register we announced last week was their initiative.

So that being the case Now the image of work being done quickly without bribe has gone down well and any issues with officialdom is being addressed soon has impressed many.

JJ can do same. I have been told that many files are piling up in TN, not because none of ministers or cm is working, but intentional from the staff who are always big backers of muka. it will take time for her to put foot down/. hopefully we will be up and running soon.

The most important criteria to remain on top is acknowledge our deficiencies, address them. Ensure our strength continuies to remain our strength. Next acknowledge efforts of you competitor and never rubbish it. See if he is doing something differently which we can adopt or innovate further.

TN at moment is any day miles ahead of GUJ with respect to auto sector. All this is abt what lessons we can learn, what were our mistakes. Never be complacent. I think i made this all clear in my first post itself.

While Guj boasts of large scale availablity of skilled industrial labour which drives it's engine of Industrial growth, it is not sitting on it's laurels. Guj Govt. read Modi, has very well recognised need for large scale "Automobile skill development" to meet requirement of skilled technicians at Sanand, in a short period.
Tata's, Ford & Peugot have all signed agreement to set up "skill development centres" partly funded by Guj Govt. to train villagers in to skilled technicians. Presently,on an average, Govt spends Rs 75000/- per candidate on training being entirely managed by Tata's for it's nano Plant. Ford will also be doing the same. Peugot has signed agreement to develop "Automobile skill development Institute (ASDI)" on 25 Acres of land, as reported yesterday. For your information, Rajkot boasts of large scale availablity of skilled manpower which can be rated as among the best in the country. They need to simply replicate it in Sanand.
It is also to be noted that Ford is not only going to assemble cars but also manufacture engines at Sanand. Peugot has also proposed to manufacture Gear Boxes & Engines at Sanand. Certainly, they have done their homework before finalising the deal.

[kannan infratech]

Originally Posted by jaish

Why cant MK & JJ control this?

Avangala Avangale Eppadi Control Pannuvanga ?

[kannan infratech]

Originally Posted by neversayno

In fact our company based in Baroda when we decided to put up a Centre of Excellence and approached Gujarat govt and we got an audience with the CM, land was allocated in 10days and all papers were cleared w/o a dime as bribe. A word of caution from the CM was in case if someone tries to harass we should call his office. My american counterparts were stunned with such a simplicity. Recently some of Gujarat infra has been rated as comparable to some of the developed countries with ample scope to catch up.

There is nothing wrong in acknowledging good things about other states. Mahindras though based out of Maharashtra chose TN for their auto unit I guess. Tatas but for TCS, I believe prefer Bangalore.

Marutis trouble is palpable because they have restricted themselves to Manesar & Gurgaon......Last week an auto component unit called Comstar had some labour issues.....all this will definitely be taken as point while putting in money at a place.

In short never underestimate our contemporaries.

Very much true.

I had a similar personal experience with Modi & team wrt a Pharma SEZ in Gujarat.

He is an exceptional politico in whole of India.

Losing to an able (better) opponent does not hurt much.

[kannan infratech]

Originally Posted by srinivasan1@hotmail.

Jayalalithaa has to take full resposibility for the loss of the pugeot factory by Tamilnadu.Just before the elections Stalin announced that the negotiatios for the construction of a car factory was almost complete.After the elections Jayalalithaa announced that the deal had been clinched.After the meeting with theCM the auto company has decided to move to Gujerat A similar situation arose when GM wanted to build afactory in India.After meeting Jayalalithaa they moved to another state.The case with VW was even worse.They could not meet her even after waiting Chennai for two weeks.Her dream of making Chennai a major auto hub will remain a day dream.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

Please do not go by these useless MOUs announcements.

Both the parties are not up to the mark in wooing investments into TN.

Politicos demanding huge money for land & money for PPs & NOCs and the inordinate delay in processing papers are the main reasons.

I have worked closely with both sides and repeated falsehoods will never become truths

[kannan infratech]

Originally Posted by kongutamizhan

Summa vaayi pulichitho, maanga pulichithonnu pesa koodathu.

What did we do to local builder named Alacrity - a honest and rare breed in the construction business? Their design, quality, price, value-for-money is unmatched by any big sharks in the industry today. What could have been a pride of Chennai is wiped out of map of chennai now

Probably, many may not be aware of this.

Why Alacrity failed and what happened to them - from top position to bottommost ?

They started well as Chennai Realty boomed exponentially. They initially followed a policy of

Doing a JV with the owner of the land (mostly old bungalows)(not investing for land)
Not paying any bribe for anything
Quality Construction & Timely Delivery.
Giving a good interest rate to land owners if the proceeds of the transaction stays with Alacrity as investment. (There was an interest war going on then)

What they ended up with: (which led to their downfall)
Cheating on the Land owners by not paying the dues in time
Not paying a bribe delayed the completion by years - Buyers who started paying EMI could not manage since the flats were not ready even after a few years.
Defaulting on suppliers - cement & Steel (many cases are still going on_)
Starting their own Hollow Blocks factory with Flat Buyers money (Diversion)
Investing in dead lands and not paying timely interest to Land owners who invested back into Alacrity.
Not completing projects - Just abandoning many flat buyers in the lurch.

[kannan infratech]

I think all of us want the same thing but polambufying differently.

(Oru Nnal Orule illaina, Thread a Rana Kalam Akkitteengappa)

I observe that
We are too happy to talk about our Pazham Perumai.
In our bias towards TN, we do not see the Pros & Positives in other states.
Similarly, we do not acknowledge that all states have both +ves & _ves.
Most of do not read others posts fully and respond instinctively.

Oru Project Ponathukke, Ivvalvu Polambala ?
Naan veliliyile theriyatha failures lam eduthu vitta, ellarum Suicide thaan.

TN kku Investment kondu vara Naangalum Gajini (Cinema illenga - Nejamana Gajini) mathiri kadantha 10 - 15 varushama try mela try pannikkonde irukkom. Innum Urchagamagathan.

Konjam success. Konjam Failure. But we move on.

Internet, Micro Blogging, English News channels ellam romba Poi news, distorted news, half truths lam kelaapi viduthu. Nam athukkellam react panrom - neratha waste panni.

Negative lendhu veliya vandhu Positive akka Enna Pannanum - Appadinnu Mattum Discuss Pannalam.

[murlee]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Naan veliliyile theriyatha failures lam eduthu vitta, ellarum Suicide thaan.

[vs007]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Oru Project Ponathukke, Ivvalvu Polambala ?

True, the heartburn is severe.

Naan veliliyile theriyatha failures lam eduthu vitta, ellarum Suicide thaan.

TN kku Investment kondu vara Naangalum Gajini (Cinema illenga - Nejamana Gajini) mathiri kadantha 10 - 15 varushama try mela try pannikkonde irukkom. Innum Urchagamagathan.

Konjam success. Konjam Failure. But we move on.

Now sir, thats the difference between us empty vessels banging on keyboard and
doers like you. We being onlookers can only applaud or throw eggs, cant hold a bat.

[jaish]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Negative lendhu veliya vandhu Positive akka Enna Pannanum - Appadinnu Mattum Discuss Pannalam.

Can You please delineate the Positive actions that we have do so we can contribute something rather than being a arm chair critics?.

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Oru Nnal Orule illaina, Thread a Rana Kalam Akkitteengappa)


Konjam success. Konjam Failure. But we move on.

Internet, Micro Blogging, English News channels ellam romba Poi news, distorted news, half truths lam kelaapi viduthu. Nam athukkellam react panrom - neratha waste panni.

Negative lendhu veliya vandhu Positive akka Enna Pannanum - Appadinnu Mattum Discuss Pannalam.

I expected thread will reach normal today evening.

But we move on

[ranga]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Very much true.

I had a similar personal experience with Modi & team wrt a Pharma SEZ in Gujarat.

He is an exceptional politico in whole of India.

Losing to an able (better) opponent does not hurt much.

Mr.Kannan are u sure that modi and his BJP govt in Gujarat is totally free of corruption.I am not sure but decisions are taken quickly in Gujarat unlike in states like A.P TN Maha etc.Big ticket investors extract maximum sops and huge land at throaway price at the place of their choice andthey don't mind paying (bribe as u may think) if they are satisfied with what they are offered.I am told here in Hyderabad that pugeot demanded lots of concessions and large area of land almost at no price and the A.P govt conceded in order to get a big ticket car manufacturer as there are no automobile mfg company in A.P.500 acres of land was finalised in mambattu area near Tada at Rs one lac per acre.But due to political crisis in A.P due to Telengana and Y.S Jagan problems it did not materialise.I don't think that TN would have acceded to the huge sops and land demanded by Pugeot and that must be the reason for pugeot opting out of Chennai.Modi would have given in to sops which also made Ford invest there.

[kannan infratech]

First, SOPs are not the only issue on which a major decision like putting up a plant - is decided.

After the market logistics, cost of production, ease of op (Power , Labour etc), SOP comes next.

Generally companies look for quick decisions, fast clearances etc since the delay sets off a cascading effect which affects their other operations too.

After working with all southern states & Western states (my exp in North limited much to Delhi) and North East, I can vouch that the corruption is minimal in Gujarat that too at very low level.

I can not say as I do not know - that N.Modi do not take bribes at all. But many of my associates have not paid any thing so far. He decides and acts like a Super Star. He has the knack of smelling the right client and overpowers him with his goodies. It will be too difficult for the client to backtrack.

AP will find the going very difficult in the coming months due to shaky political atmosphere and Fate of Hyderabad. Many Foreign investors are turning to TN, Maha & Guj.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by N.kumar

last time i tried to light it up but didnt work. now happy.

anyways this is what i heard.

Chennai port is biggest headache in future. this was a swing factor.

people are opting for gujarat due to port as well is the news i got. ideally maruti must have come shopping south. already one hub in north another in south is natural way. seems chennai port trust situation kept them off. thats why TN is second in wishlist.

there has been exclusive facilities tied up. private ports. efficient. People are also impressed by the way bureaucracy is efficent, job gets dones quickly. these attract these foreign delegates

first thing that kanjus chair and atmosphere in cm office itself is big drawback.

As someone posted we have to acknowledge competition to remain in business. we have a very very strong competitor and cant afford to relax or we become maharashtra and they new tn of past in next 10 yrs.

Its must be taken with due seriousness required and this wake up call should ensure we work even harder and drive it home.

This loss musnt let our moral down and our officials and govt have to fight it. its a temporary setback.


ennore is another option but not sure what ennore is up to, how much it can handle ?

chennai port stuck with central govt has become the biggest disadvantage for us.

no funds being released properly, the babus sitting are inefficient, plans are just not going forward.

Constant change of plans and goal post. add to it infra woes

now ennore headache is shifting of coal from chennai as per hc order.

Its a shame that we have had this minstry for long and yet this is the state.

The seating arrangement in front of the CM desk for visiting trade and MNC delegations looks very very odd.They almost sit crouched like school children appearing uncomfortable while the CM behaves as though she owns the visiting team.Senior State officials are made to sit on the sides in row chairs and the whole scene of the CM chamber looks ugly.In A.P and Karnataka as i have seen personally there are separate well furnished rooms with all amenities where the CM and his aides meet the delegations and prospective investors.In TN this gives a bad impression to the visting team at the first instance itself.

[jaish]

I feel this where Nirandra Mudalvar with full support of public will help. Jaya can really take this post if she plays sensibly. It was bad luck for AP lost YSR in the right time. Same way TN lost MGR long time back all these have started. I wonder how all this would have played out had MGR been alive. Modi Could take any decision knowing very well people would support even then there is corruption. That is why Modi opposes vehemently the appointment of Lokaykta.