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Old February 3rd, 2009, 10:23 PM   #41
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Nobody ever thought about quitting, only some guys from SSC. Even today a FIFA spokesman said that joint bids will be considered.
What he actually said was joint bids would be considered between nations who can't host alone. Spain certainly doesn't fall into that category.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 11:19 PM   #42
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What he actually said was joint bids would be considered between nations who can't host alone. Spain certainly doesn't fall into that category.
But Portugal does (unless FIFA thinks otherwise). Then what? Portugal will never be able to host a World Cup because it doesn't have neighbours with the same size? Now that's really fair.

And please, not that story about Morocco again. We don't have links with them, we don't have the same borders, we're not even from the same continent, worse than that: we don't think the same way when it comes to organize a competition.


EDIT: And who is FIFA to decide which countries are or are not capable of hosting a World Cup alone? What if Spain is in an economic situation that doesn't allow them to host the World Cup alone?

EDIT 2: Qatar is full of money, they can host a World Cup by themselves. They could build a lot of stadiums. It doesn't matter what they do with them later, right? So, they're a country capable of hosting alone a World Cup. But do you really think that that is better than Spain and Portugal together? Is that argument really valid and the best way to see things?

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Old February 3rd, 2009, 11:56 PM   #43
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Hey, I'm not arguing with you. Your points are pretty valid. I'm just clarifying what the FIFA spokesperson said. Don't shoot the messenger!
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Old October 21st, 2009, 02:51 PM   #44
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SPAIN/PORTUGAL - FIFA World Cup 2018/22 - Candidate



On October 20th the head of the Portuguese Football Federation and the head of the Spanish Football Federation submited to FIFA the proposal for an Iberian Bid for the 2018/2022 World Cup. There will be only one bid commitee wich will have it's headquarters in Madrid, on December 4 the bid will have a big showcase in the World Cup 2010 final draw in Cape Town.


The Likely Venues:

Porto - Dragon Stadium - 50 000
[IMG]http://i44.************/ipmic2.jpg[/IMG]


Lisbon - Luz Stadium - 65 000



Lisbon - Alvalade Stadium - 50 000



Faro/Loulé - Algarve Stadium - 30 000 + 10 000

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Madrid - Santiago Bernabeu - 82 000



Madrid - La Peineta - 70 000



Barcelona - Camp Nou - 105 000



Seville - Olympic Stadium - 60 000



Valencia - Nou Mestalla - 72 000



Bilbao - New San Mames - 58 000



Zaragoza - San Jose - 43 000

La coruna - Riazor - 40 000


Map of the Iberian Peninsula

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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:10 PM   #45
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surely they will choose the lopera or pizjaun in seville not that athletics stadium1
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:13 PM   #46
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Contra. Portugal vai ter menos jogos e provavelmente a final vai ser em Espanha.
Prefiro q Portugal faça a Copa do mundo sozinho ou abandone essa idéia de Copa em conjunto para tentar sediar umas Olimpíadas em Lisboa.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:27 PM   #47
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Very impressive stadiums. No other European bid will be able to match that.

However, I'm not sure that they will be able to use two stadia in both Madrid and Lisbon.

The bid's two main problems could be:

a) the fact that, in an ideal world, FIFA prefers single nation bids - even if there is only one, joint organizing committee, FIFA will still have to make room for two automatic qualifiers and they would prefer not to do that.

b) Spain hosted the World Cup as recently as 1982 while the other European bids have either never hosted the World Cup or last did so in 1966.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:39 PM   #48
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Portugal also held Euro 2004 so it's unlikely they'll get another tournament for a while.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:53 PM   #49
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Hope we (well, them) don't get it. We don't want to be the maid of Spain.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:05 PM   #50
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No thanks.

From Portugal.


England 2018 / Australia 2022
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:08 PM   #51
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Portugal also held Euro 2004 so it's unlikely they'll get another tournament for a while.
I'm not sure that that necessarily makes a difference. UEFA and FIFA are separate organizations, with different voters and different voting criteria.

After all, Italy hosted Euro 80 and World Cup 90 - a 10 year gap.

And France hosted Euro 84 and World Cup 98 - a 14 year gap.

Which is exactly the same as the gap between Euro 2004 and WC 2018.

Spain's relatively recent hosting of the World Cup is far more likely to damage the Iberian bid than Portugal's recent hosting of the Euro Championship, IMO.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:42 PM   #52
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I fully support this joint bid, it is the only way we can get another international sport event in our country. An olympics is completely out of our league for at least this century and we are too small to host a world cup on our own, we don't have the need nor the money to build 12 40k stadiums plus one 80k stadium for the final.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:47 PM   #53
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Anyway you aren't Portuguese.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:55 PM   #54
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Anyway you aren't Portuguese.
Actually, I was born 100 mts from Guimarães' Castle so I'm more portuguese than you
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:17 PM   #55
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It's certainly the best European bid from a technical viewpoint because it offers the highest capacity and best quality stadia with little investment required. Doesn't this bid provide 8 stadiums with a UEFA 5 star ranking as of the present time? There is also little issue with other aspects, such as accommodation and transport, which to various degrees affect the other European bids.

However, having the best technical bid isn't enough and their two major weaknesses - joint hosts and Spain having hosted the WC in '82 - are serious ones. For this reason, and the fact that I don't think they are that far ahead at all of England from a technical viewpoint, I can't see them getting it. Would be fantastic hosts though.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:27 PM   #56
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Actually, I was born 100 mts from Guimarães' Castle so I'm more portuguese than you
Perhaps a clone born from 100 meters from the Castle of Guimarães during a visit. Maybe.. Portuguese, you isn't.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:45 PM   #57
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Perhaps a clone born from 100 meters from the Castle of Guimarães during a visit. Maybe.. Portuguese, you isn't.
So I'm not portuguese because I don't believe our country is ready or will be ready in the near future to host an olympics?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 07:31 PM   #58
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I'm not sure that that necessarily makes a difference. UEFA and FIFA are separate organizations, with different voters and different voting criteria.

After all, Italy hosted Euro 80 and World Cup 90 - a 10 year gap.

And France hosted Euro 84 and World Cup 98 - a 14 year gap.

Which is exactly the same as the gap between Euro 2004 and WC 2018.

Spain's relatively recent hosting of the World Cup is far more likely to damage the Iberian bid than Portugal's recent hosting of the Euro Championship, IMO.
1982-2018 (36 years) is more of a gap than 1974-2006 (32 years). So that shouldn't have a baring either.

The Euros shouldn't have a baring because 3 of the 4 European bids have hosted (at least in part) since 1996. However if it does portugal/spain will be hindered most.

Remember although they are separate organisations (FIFA/UEFA), it doesn't mean FIFA people don't vote on outside influences or reasons. They're not robots who vote only for the best bid, unfortunately...
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So I'm not portuguese because I don't believe our country is ready or will be ready in the near future to host an olympics?
First, isn't country isn't yours.
Not only that.
The Portuguese Moderation already advice.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:00 PM   #60
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What's your problem Escalabitano? From what see, this is an international forum, so anyone from everywhere in the world is entitled to have an opinion.
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