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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:01 PM   #61
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First, isn't country isn't yours.
Not only that.
The Portuguese Moderation already advice.
What the hell are you talking about? I've never received a warning from the mods, nor there is a reason for it. I'm not a clone, my nick is taken from my favourite character from the Foundation books saga.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:05 PM   #62
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What's your problem Escalabitano? From what see, this is an international forum, so anyone from everywhere in the world is entitled to have an opinion.
He is simply passing it by Portuguese, and isn't.


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What the hell are you talking about? I've never received a warning from the mods, nor there is a reason for it. I'm not a clone, my nick is taken from my favourite character from the Foundation books saga.
Do you know Barra?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:15 PM   #63
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My reasons for the no: The cream of Portuguese are against, all I talked about it don't want, most Portuguese Forum also not.
Portugal and Spain have different dimensions, if we had a neighbor like Greece, Hungary or Netherlands, all right, would be balanced, but Spain is 5x larger than Portugal in area and 4x in population. The distribution of games will be extremely in favor of Spain, naturally. After all, the event will only have 3 stadiums in Portugal (Estádio da Luz and Estádio de Alvalade in Lisbon, Estádio do Dragão in Porto). If we had Coimbra and the Algarve for example it was better, but not even that. I'm totally against.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:57 PM   #64
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How would Lisboa and Madrid both feature two stadia?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:59 PM   #65
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He is simply passing it by Portuguese, and isn't.
Mas quem é que diz que eu não sou português? Eu sou tão português como tu, se calhar mais até.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:11 PM   #66
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Estádio Algarve will probably be one of the stadiums, since Macário Correia wants to upgrade it. In fact, Portugal will have more matches than the difference of number of stadiums and population would suggest.


I don't believe La Peineta is going to be chosen. Even if it's bigger than Alvalade, I don't believe Villar won't let Portugal have those two stadiums in Lisbon (and.... is La Peineta really going to be built? I mean... for which Olympics? 2012? 2016?...)


Escalabitano, speak for yourself when you say that we don't want the World Cup. The truth is that when I see comments from those opposing this bid (and I don't mean SSC, I mean everywhere), 95% say incredibly stupid stuff revealing that they really don't know what they're talking about.


Yet, I also don't believe that this World Cup will come to Portugal and Spain. It's true that we'll get all the Conmebol votes; but when it comes to the others.... I don't know. And Blatter is Russia biased.


P.S.: Escalabitano, não tás a confundir o gajo com o Portugues?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:19 PM   #67
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By the way, this is the official website, although it's still under construction:

http://www.candidaturaiberica.com/
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:35 PM   #68
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My reasons for the no: The cream of Portuguese are against, all I talked about it don't want, most Portuguese Forum also not.
Portugal and Spain have different dimensions, if we had a neighbor like Greece, Hungary or Netherlands, all right, would be balanced, but Spain is 5x larger than Portugal in area and 4x in population. The distribution of games will be extremely in favor of Spain, naturally. After all, the event will only have 3 stadiums in Portugal (Estádio da Luz and Estádio de Alvalade in Lisbon, Estádio do Dragão in Porto). If we had Coimbra and the Algarve for example it was better, but not even that. I'm totally against.
Well, but Portugal is too small to host a World Cup alone. I believe a joint with Spain is the only chance for Portugal.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:40 PM   #69
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Well, but Portugal is too small to host a World Cup alone. I believe a joint with Spain is the only chance for Portugal.
It's bigger than Belgium and the Netherlands together (not in population, of course ) and Qatar, and just a bit smaller than the Republic of Korea (not in population, of course Part II).
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:17 AM   #70
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It's bigger than Belgium and the Netherlands together (not in population, of course ) and Qatar, and just a bit smaller than the Republic of Korea (not in population, of course Part II).
Land size has nothing to do with it though. Population is what matters.

Belgium is the same size as Portugal, in that respect, and the Netherlands is larger.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:43 AM   #71
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Bilbao, huh? So, the Basque clamor for sovereignty from Spain except when WC bidding rolls around? Gotcha.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 03:43 AM   #72
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Land size has nothing to do with it though. Population is what matters.

Belgium is the same size as Portugal, in that respect, and the Netherlands is larger.
In that case... would a World Cup ibe more successful in India than in Portugal?

What would you reply if I said that India is a lot bigger than Russia or the United States?

Yeah! I get your point, don't worry.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 03:49 AM   #73
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 04:09 AM   #74
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I don't want Portugal/Spain to win this bid. Like it has already been said, Spain is around 5x bigger than Portugal and will receive the bulk of the games. I'd prefer to see Portugal do a World Cup alone in the future.

Also can someone tell me why Spain even agreed to do a joint bid? They are perfectly capable of hosting a World Cup by themselves.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 11:23 AM   #75
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Portugal will never be able to do a World Cup on its own, it's just beyond our capabilities, what would we do with 10/12 stadiums with 40 000+ capacity each, and a stadium with 80 000 for the final?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 01:17 PM   #76
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It's certainly the best European bid from a technical viewpoint because it offers the highest capacity and best quality stadia with little investment required. Doesn't this bid provide 8 stadiums with a UEFA 5 star ranking as of the present time? There is also little issue with other aspects, such as accommodation and transport, which to various degrees affect the other European bids.

However, having the best technical bid isn't enough and their two major weaknesses - joint hosts and Spain having hosted the WC in '82 - are serious ones. For this reason, and the fact that I don't think they are that far ahead at all of England from a technical viewpoint, I can't see them getting it. Would be fantastic hosts though.
So what? Germany hosted a WC after 32 years,why can't Spain host another after 36 or 40 years?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 01:43 PM   #77
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So what? Germany hosted a WC after 32 years,why can't Spain host another after 36 or 40 years?
Nobody says Spain can't host, but it certainly counts against them. I think they included 1st time hosts Portugal on the ticket to try and offset this.

Saying all this people on here get caught up in the stadium design issues when really, fifa politics will decide who gets the nod, not architectural details.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:11 PM   #78
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Portugal had an EURO, so why it couldn´t host a world cup? why not? it has new stadiums and I think they can build two or three more
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:26 PM   #79
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I want my country England to win 2018..but if not a Spain/Portugal bid would be an excellent and superb World Cup
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:41 PM   #80
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I don't want Portugal/Spain to win this bid. Like it has already been said, Spain is around 5x bigger than Portugal and will receive the bulk of the games. I'd prefer to see Portugal do a World Cup alone in the future.

Also can someone tell me why Spain even agreed to do a joint bid? They are perfectly capable of hosting a World Cup by themselves.
I don't know either why Spain wants this. Probably because '82 is still too near. But it's obvious that Portugal needs Spain if it ever wants to host a WC.
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