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[arsikoy]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

Where did you get this info? Cebu is an Island with ZERO forest cover since 1955, reforested, i would believe, even it is reforested, sad to say, only for the mangroves, patches though, but, timberland? a big question. Why "some" cebu people like to create stories, forest cover? like duh. And watershed? where? and if so, why buy water from bohol?
be factual... ok..

apparently you haven't been to cebu city's timberlands. true to say there's so little old-growth forests left in the entire island, but 2nd growth forests? a lot and its also growing like cebuano's environmental consciousness. if you go to various watersheds inside the city (buhisan, mananga, kotkot-lusaran), reforestation projects are very succesfull. i once visited the old cebu zoo area, which is pretty much in the mountains of the city, you'd see forest cover on the other side that are spectacular...and that mister, is factual.

[dancethingy]

we're not only a hot spot, we're also a megadiversity spot. THE ENTIRE NATION IS ENDANGERED!

http://www.biodiversityhotspots.org/...s/default.aspx

From: CONSERVATION INTERNATIONAL
overview



The world's second largest archipelago country after Indonesia, the Philippines includes more than 7,100 islands covering 297,179 km² in the westernmost Pacific Ocean. The Philippines lies north of Indonesia and directly east of Vietnam. The country is one of the few nations that is, in its entirety, both a hotspot and a megadiversity country, placing it among the top priority hotspots for global conservation.


The archipelago is formed from a series of isolated fragments that have long and complex geological histories, some dating back 30-50 million years. With at least 17 active volcanoes, these islands are part of the â??Ring of Fireâ?� of the Pacific Basin. The archipelago stretches over 1,810 kilometers from north to south. Northern Luzon is only 240 kilometers from Taiwan (with which it shares some floristic affinities), and the islands off southwestern Palawan are only 40 kilometers from Malaysian Borneo. The island of Palawan, which is separated from Borneo by a channel some 145 meters deep, has floristic affinities with both the Philippines and Borneo in the Sundaland Hotspot, and strong faunal affinities with the Sunda Shelf.


Hundreds of years ago, most of the Philippine islands were covered in rain forest. The bulk of the country was blanketed by lowland rainforests dominated by towering dipterocarps (Dipterocarpaceae), prized for their beautiful and straight hardwood. At higher elevations, the lowland forests are replaced by montane and mossy forests that consist mostly of smaller trees and vegetation. Small regions of seasonal forest, mixed forest and savanna, and pine-dominated cloud forest covered the remaining land area.

[JuIcYdUdE22]

Originally Posted by arsikoy

apparently you haven't been to cebu city's timberlands. true to say there's so little old-growth forests left in the entire island, but 2nd growth forests? a lot and its also growing like cebuano's environmental consciousness. if you go to various watersheds inside the city (buhisan, mananga, kotkot-lusaran), reforestation projects are very succesfull. i once visited the old cebu zoo area, which is pretty much in the mountains of the city, you'd see forest cover on the other side that are spectacular...and that mister, is factual.

apparently i am a wwf and a greenpeace volunteer FYI, scanning and apparently those aforementioned details about reforestation is negligible to reverse the sad fate of the island when it comes to its forest land, i am detailing this because, it would serve as an example. the forest that your talking about is not sustainable because of one important reason, cebu island soil composition is lime, too acidic for roots to propagate thats why trees are not that big, they look like shrubs, like the acacia tree at plaza independencia, have you seen the acacia trees of other cities? another reason, watershed is being developed because at the time that cebu still have a remaining forest cover, and that was 1946, it was just plainly exhausted due to kaingin. thats why when we are there, we are brought to TOPS, and its not a nice site, especially for people who knows what real forest is. environmentaly, its a sad scene really, and i dont know why "some" people there, try to make themselves believe that.

thats why species of importance, like the visayan warty pig, the bleeding heart pigeon, endemic to the island is already extinct, they are the indicators of functioning habitat. sad to say, the island has to experience a drastic experience to know what to do, and what is supposed to be right.

and now? a coal plant at NAGA? -- wow, its not a good news.

[JuIcYdUdE22]

Originally Posted by dancethingy

we're not only a hot spot, we're also a megadiversity spot. THE ENTIRE NATION IS ENDANGERED!

http://www.biodiversityhotspots.org/...s/default.aspx

From: CONSERVATION INTERNATIONAL
overview



The world's second largest archipelago country after Indonesia, the Philippines includes more than 7,100 islands covering 297,179 km² in the westernmost Pacific Ocean. The Philippines lies north of Indonesia and directly east of Vietnam. The country is one of the few nations that is, in its entirety, both a hotspot and a megadiversity country, placing it among the top priority hotspots for global conservation.


The archipelago is formed from a series of isolated fragments that have long and complex geological histories, some dating back 30-50 million years. With at least 17 active volcanoes, these islands are part of the â??Ring of Fireâ?� of the Pacific Basin. The archipelago stretches over 1,810 kilometers from north to south. Northern Luzon is only 240 kilometers from Taiwan (with which it shares some floristic affinities), and the islands off southwestern Palawan are only 40 kilometers from Malaysian Borneo. The island of Palawan, which is separated from Borneo by a channel some 145 meters deep, has floristic affinities with both the Philippines and Borneo in the Sundaland Hotspot, and strong faunal affinities with the Sunda Shelf.


Hundreds of years ago, most of the Philippine islands were covered in rain forest. The bulk of the country was blanketed by lowland rainforests dominated by towering dipterocarps (Dipterocarpaceae), prized for their beautiful and straight hardwood. At higher elevations, the lowland forests are replaced by montane and mossy forests that consist mostly of smaller trees and vegetation. Small regions of seasonal forest, mixed forest and savanna, and pine-dominated cloud forest covered the remaining land area.

to think Danjugan Island, its a small island, however its biodiversity is one of the highest in the world, theres a lot shrimp species, mollusc, coral, fish, and etc. that can be found there than the whole island of CUBA.
the whole visayan sea, its smaller than the carribean, however, theres a lot of fish to catch there that the latter. thats how HOT the philippines is.

[dancethingy]

We are so HOT. No amount of water can extinguish our HOTNESS!

[arsikoy]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

apparently i am a wwf and a greenpeace volunteer FYI, scanning and apparently those aforementioned details about reforestation is negligible to reverse the sad fate of the island when it comes to its forest land, i am detailing this because, it would serve as an example. the forest that your talking about is not sustainable because of one important reason, cebu island soil composition is lime, too acidic for roots to propagate thats why trees are not that big, they look like shrubs, like the acacia tree at plaza independencia, have you seen the acacia trees of other cities? another reason, watershed is being developed because at the time that cebu still have a remaining forest cover, and that was 1946, it was just plainly exhausted due to kaingin. thats why when we are there, we are brought to TOPS, and its not a nice site, especially for people who knows what real forest is. environmentaly, its a sad scene really, and i dont know why "some" people there, try to make themselves believe that.

thats why species of importance, like the visayan warty pig, the bleeding heart pigeon, endemic to the island is already extinct, they are the indicators of functioning habitat. sad to say, the island has to experience a drastic experience to know what to do, and what is supposed to be right.

and now? a coal plant at NAGA? -- wow, its not a good news.

i don't see any connection between proving the existence of 'timberlands' in cebu and gloating wwf and/or greenpeace involvement. as if your involvement on such orgs to your resume would add more credibility to the argument, thats non sequitur. look all im trying to prove here is the existence of timberlands in the mountains of the city, of which you're trying to belie. if you like to split hairs here whether they're real 1st growth forests (like the ones found in less urban islands in our country) ...yada3x... IDFC. the watersheds exists. theyre there, and theyre not going anywhere, no matter how small and negligible you say it is.

oh and while im at it.

reason, cebu island soil composition is lime, too acidic for roots to propagate thats why trees are not that big, they look like shrubs, like the acacia tree at plaza independencia, have you seen the acacia trees of other cities?

do this look like shrubs to you?
image hosted on flickr

a pic from leylander's mycebuphotoblog.

[JuIcYdUdE22]

Originally Posted by arsikoy

i don't see any connection between proving the existence of 'timberlands' in cebu and gloating wwf and/or greenpeace involvement. as if your involvement on such orgs to your resume would add more credibility to the argument, thats non sequitur. look all im trying to prove here is the existence of timberlands in the mountains of the city, of which you're trying to belie. if you like to split hairs here whether they're real 1st growth forests (like the ones found in less urban islands in our country) ...yada3x... IDFC. the watersheds exists. theyre there, and theyre not going anywhere, no matter how small and negligible you say it is.

oh and while im at it.


do this look like shrubs to you?
image hosted on flickr

a pic from leylander's mycebuphotoblog.

bro, the term negligible, because, the forest cover of the island is not sustainable enough to protect your watersheds, if so, why, would cebu buy water from bohol? the logic is simple, no sustainable forest cover would harm the water shed, the water would be too mirky, heavy metals would be apparent and the acidity of the soil would also hamper the growth of the trees, and those trees, they look very small for an acacia?
I am not gloating, because of my affiliations, I am making my point that ever since, a patch of trees/shrubs/whatever is not a forest cover, its more categorized as a garden.
That is why, the management of our forests should be taken carefully, we dont just say yes to development just because of. What we should do is to make sure that we people of the philippines should have the last say. We should change our views, and accept the fact that our own localities is suffering because of our own degredations, we dont just enjoy because theres a patch of trees, i mean, its not enough.
The challenge is, those trees that you posted, could it sustain your sheds? if so, cebu should cut its dependence from other provinces.

this is a forest, crater lake of Mt. Silay

This is just an example, the watershed is not the only one that matters here.
http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildwor...0114_full.html

[dinabaw]

[Sinjin P.]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

bro, the term negligible, because, the forest cover of the island is not sustainable enough to protect your watersheds, if so, why, would cebu buy water from bohol? the logic is simple, no sustainable forest cover would harm the water shed, the water would be too mirky, heavy metals would be apparent and the acidity of the soil would also hamper the growth of the trees, and those trees, they look very small for an acacia?
I am not gloating, because of my affiliations, I am making my point that ever since, a patch of trees/shrubs/whatever is not a forest cover, its more categorized as a garden.
That is why, the management of our forests should be taken carefully, we dont just say yes to development just because of. What we should do is to make sure that we people of the philippines should have the last say. We should change our views, and accept the fact that our own localities is suffering because of our own degredations, we dont just enjoy because theres a patch of trees, i mean, its not enough.
The challenge is, those trees that you posted, could it sustain your sheds? if so, cebu should cut its dependence from other provinces.

this is a forest, crater lake of Mt. Silay

This is just an example, the watershed is not the only one that matters here.
http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildwor...0114_full.html

This is quite true. I've seen a show featuring Cebu's watersheds and all these that Juicydude posted were mentioned.

[arsikoy]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

bro, the term negligible, because, the forest cover of the island is not sustainable enough to protect your watersheds, if so, why, would cebu buy water from bohol? the logic is simple, no sustainable forest cover would harm the water shed, the water would be too mirky, heavy metals would be apparent and the acidity of the soil would also hamper the growth of the trees, and those trees, they look very small for an acacia?
I am not gloating, because of my affiliations, I am making my point that ever since, a patch of trees/shrubs/whatever is not a forest cover, its more categorized as a garden.
That is why, the management of our forests should be taken carefully, we dont just say yes to development just because of. What we should do is to make sure that we people of the philippines should have the last say. We should change our views, and accept the fact that our own localities is suffering because of our own degredations, we dont just enjoy because theres a patch of trees, i mean, its not enough.
The challenge is, those trees that you posted, could it sustain your sheds? if so, cebu should cut its dependence from other provinces.

this is a forest, crater lake of Mt. Silay

This is just an example, the watershed is not the only one that matters here.
http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildwor...0114_full.html

recap:

the original point of contention was "more than 50% of Cebu City's land area is Timberland and Watershed..." as stated by someone else in the thread of which you tenaciously rebutted with the following statement:

Where did you get this info? Cebu is an Island with ZERO forest cover since 1955, reforested, i would believe, even it is reforested, sad to say, only for the mangroves, patches though, but, timberland? a big question. Why "some" cebu people like to create stories, forest cover? like duh. And watershed? where? and if so, why buy water from bohol?
be factual... ok..

you questioned if there are timberlands in cebu, i said there are, though replanted but nevertheless timberland. you said it's negligible, yes, especially if taken vis-a-vis to entire island land area ratio or as comparison to the other islands such as negros and environs. but as stated, there are timberlands inside metro cebu, this is the gist of my rebuttal against ludicrous claims of cebu having ZERO forest cover and especially against counterintuitive statements questioning the existence of watersheds and/or that "cebu people like to create stories". now us having to buy water elsewhere, no question but thats not what i wanted to point out. capiche?

ps

...and those trees, they look very small for an acacia?

those trees are not acacia..and theyre huge. trust me.

[JuIcYdUdE22]

Originally Posted by arsikoy

recap:

the original point of contention was "more than 50% of Cebu City's land area is Timberland and Watershed..." as stated by someone else in the thread of which you tenaciously rebutted with the following statement:



you questioned if there are timberlands in cebu, i said there are, though replanted but nevertheless timberland. you said it's negligible, yes, especially if taken vis-a-vis to entire island land area ratio or as comparison to the other islands such as negros and environs. but as stated, there are timberlands inside metro cebu, this is the gist of my rebuttal against ludicrous claims of cebu having ZERO forest cover and especially against counterintuitive statements questioning the existence of watersheds and/or that "cebu people like to create stories". now us having to buy water elsewhere, no question but thats not what i wanted to point out. capiche?

ps



those trees are not acacia..and theyre huge. trust me.

bro, i am not against what you just said, however, those figures that you showed where generated by the local government, that obviously, like to place a picture of "good things never fade away" which is not, that picture that youve got, was a located somewhere in central cebu island, as far as i am concerned in my collective experience of scanning from island to island, which i am glad wwf is more than willing to invite us, and greepeace that sail all through out the archipelago. it is not enough. timberland? do you know that mangrove is consider a timber? theres a lot of it, in mactan, but not cebu, marsh palm maybe but not timber, if you consider "gatong", like ipil2x, a timber, well it is basically timber, but a savannah type.
acacia, do you know what acacia tree is? a Mimosa type, which are big, and the Confusa, which is fairly small, the one that i can identify there is a Mimosa, let say thats around 13 meters, its bark should be around at least 15-16 meters. in circumference. that one, it barely reach 5 feet. and it is unusual for acacia to be like that.
another one i dont se a dipterocarp on that picture, a tree specie that became and indicator that a recovery for a sustainable forest is immenent, for all the travels that i have, and continually reporting for tha cause, its not just cebu, its happening also in guimaras island, romblon, mamny parts in luzon. just dont get me wrong, because even here in negros island, we are experiencing same issues, its just that, we still have four national parks/reserves, and a lot of marine sanctuaries and mangroves. palawan island is tha safest, for negros, it became a center for the environment, because of its distinct character for an island to have so many, and definitely, the cause for nature is on going.
i cannot blame you if you may get mad or something, however that is the undeniable truth, and this problem start from the people living within the island, as we say, humans is the biggest threat of the environment,
i will give you a clear example, APO island negros occidental, its the most succesful sustainable development project, ever, in the whole world, same as to Danjugan Island project of Coral Cay, and Coron Palawan. going back to APO, the area is closed to tourist for now, or limited access only. why, tourists, mostly from CEBU(wether foreign or local), when they in the area, they snorkel, and they step on the corals, that took 5-10 years just to grow and inch or two. so the brgy captain, banned and limit the tourist entry, the reason, there will be no sustainability if we exhaust the resources.
The reforestation projets are good, an old growth or at least an established growth of forest of about 30-45 years, should be present. to give a vent for the planted trees, like a backbone.
another thing that we can do is to organize timber farming, it is good, why?
you create group of trees to grown upto specific time, ladderize the process of groups of trees, that makes you viable for like 12 years, because if you already harvested the last batch, the first group would be old enough for you to harvest again, *long process*, but eco friendly.
another indicator for the island of cebu, when its hot, it is really hot, even on cooler months. even at night time. some urbans like bacolod, when its a hot day, and you ride a jeepney, the air that embrace you is cool.
i am saying this, because cebu island is a good example, of a gone wrong and ugly environment and resource management.

[dinabaw]

you cannot force a certain trees which is not endemic to the place , it will just end as "pandak" ,we need to regenerate whats endemic to the place & it doesn't matter if it's shrubs or trees as long it can hold water reservoir and prevent soil erosion , but please no more loggings & kaingins

a 2 to 5 year tree growth is ok as long it covers the logged areas. grassland is good.

[arsikoy]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

bro, i am not against what you just said, however, those figures that you showed where generated by the local government, that obviously, like to place a picture of "good things never fade away" which is not, that picture that youve got, was a located somewhere in central cebu island, as far as i am concerned in my collective experience of scanning from island to island, which i am glad wwf is more than willing to invite us, and greepeace that sail all through out the archipelago. it is not enough. timberland? do you know that mangrove is consider a timber? theres a lot of it, in mactan, but not cebu, marsh palm maybe but not timber, if you consider "gatong", like ipil2x, a timber, well it is basically timber, but a savannah type.
acacia, do you know what acacia tree is? a Mimosa type, which are big, and the Confusa, which is fairly small, the one that i can identify there is a Mimosa, let say thats around 13 meters, its bark should be around at least 15-16 meters. in circumference. that one, it barely reach 5 feet. and it is unusual for acacia to be like that.
another one i dont se a dipterocarp on that picture, a tree specie that became and indicator that a recovery for a sustainable forest is immenent, for all the travels that i have, and continually reporting for tha cause, its not just cebu, its happening also in guimaras island, romblon, mamny parts in luzon. just dont get me wrong, because even here in negros island, we are experiencing same issues, its just that, we still have four national parks/reserves, and a lot of marine sanctuaries and mangroves. palawan island is tha safest, for negros, it became a center for the environment, because of its distinct character for an island to have so many, and definitely, the cause for nature is on going.
i cannot blame you if you may get mad or something, however that is the undeniable truth, and this problem start from the people living within the island, as we say, humans is the biggest threat of the environment,
i will give you a clear example, APO island negros occidental, its the most succesful sustainable development project, ever, in the whole world, same as to Danjugan Island project of Coral Cay, and Coron Palawan. going back to APO, the area is closed to tourist for now, or limited access only. why, tourists, mostly from CEBU(wether foreign or local), when they in the area, they snorkel, and they step on the corals, that took 5-10 years just to grow and inch or two. so the brgy captain, banned and limit the tourist entry, the reason, there will be no sustainability if we exhaust the resources.
The reforestation projets are good, an old growth or at least an established growth of forest of about 30-45 years, should be present. to give a vent for the planted trees, like a backbone.
another thing that we can do is to organize timber farming, it is good, why?
you create group of trees to grown upto specific time, ladderize the process of groups of trees, that makes you viable for like 12 years, because if you already harvested the last batch, the first group would be old enough for you to harvest again, *long process*, but eco friendly.
another indicator for the island of cebu, when its hot, it is really hot, even on cooler months. even at night time. some urbans like bacolod, when its a hot day, and you ride a jeepney, the air that embrace you is cool.
i am saying this, because cebu island is a good example, of a gone wrong and ugly environment and resource management.

omfg that was information overload, but i appreciate it. discussions about sustainable development is a huge world of its own which i'd rather not split hairs with or sound preachy about it. don't get me wrong, i completely agree with you with the facts. i just couldn't get passed statements smack with regionalist sentiments, which i subjectively (unfair you may say), have felt from your original statements. kudos to your environmentalism.

[dinabaw]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

bro, i am not against what you just said, however, those figures that you showed where generated by the local government, that obviously, like to place a picture of "good things never fade away" which is not, that picture that youve got, was a located somewhere in central cebu island, as far as i am concerned in my collective experience of scanning from island to island, which i am glad wwf is more than willing to invite us, and greepeace that sail all through out the archipelago. it is not enough. timberland? do you know that mangrove is consider a timber? theres a lot of it, in mactan, but not cebu, marsh palm maybe but not timber, if you consider "gatong", like ipil2x, a timber, well it is basically timber, but a savannah type.
acacia, do you know what acacia tree is? a Mimosa type, which are big, and the Confusa, which is fairly small, the one that i can identify there is a Mimosa, let say thats around 13 meters, its bark should be around at least 15-16 meters. in circumference. that one, it barely reach 5 feet. and it is unusual for acacia to be like that.
another one i dont se a dipterocarp on that picture, a tree specie that became and indicator that a recovery for a sustainable forest is immenent, for all the travels that i have, and continually reporting for tha cause, its not just cebu, its happening also in guimaras island, romblon, mamny parts in luzon. just dont get me wrong, because even here in negros island, we are experiencing same issues, its just that, we still have four national parks/reserves, and a lot of marine sanctuaries and mangroves. palawan island is tha safest, for negros, it became a center for the environment, because of its distinct character for an island to have so many, and definitely, the cause for nature is on going.
i cannot blame you if you may get mad or something, however that is the undeniable truth, and this problem start from the people living within the island, as we say, humans is the biggest threat of the environment,
i will give you a clear example, APO island negros occidental, its the most succesful sustainable development project, ever, in the whole world, same as to Danjugan Island project of Coral Cay, and Coron Palawan. going back to APO, the area is closed to tourist for now, or limited access only. why, tourists, mostly from CEBU(wether foreign or local), when they in the area, they snorkel, and they step on the corals, that took 5-10 years just to grow and inch or two. so the brgy captain, banned and limit the tourist entry, the reason, there will be no sustainability if we exhaust the resources.
The reforestation projets are good, an old growth or at least an established growth of forest of about 30-45 years, should be present. to give a vent for the planted trees, like a backbone.
another thing that we can do is to organize timber farming, it is good, why?
you create group of trees to grown upto specific time, ladderize the process of groups of trees, that makes you viable for like 12 years, because if you already harvested the last batch, the first group would be old enough for you to harvest again, *long process*, but eco friendly.
another indicator for the island of cebu, when its hot, it is really hot, even on cooler months. even at night time. some urbans like bacolod, when its a hot day, and you ride a jeepney, the air that embrace you is cool.
i am saying this, because cebu island is a good example, of a gone wrong and ugly environment and resource management.

as a "bihasa" in environment how would you sustain the environment w/ the growing population & and the undiscrimnate throwing of waste, now you mentioned Apo Island do you think it's sustainable say in 10 years? not directly but from its' near environs , example if you go to Mindoro you could already see waste coming fom Manila , Ecosystem is a cycle , when 1 vital part gone it's a disaster .

[PINOYmeat]

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

Why "some" cebu people like to create stories, forest cover? like duh. And watershed? where? and if so, why buy water from bohol?
be factual... ok..

its actually funny to see someone here believe cebu is now buying water from bohol!!! as a self-claimed wwf and greenpeace volunteer, i think you should have known that that "PLAN" (stressing on PLAN, because it never came to reality) was scrapped because the cost would outweigh the benefits. and that plan was made before the existence of companies that offer desalination services. services that are now present in cebu.

borrowing your line, BE FACTUAL!

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

thats why watersheds are infiltrated with salt water, etc.

watershed infiltrated with saltwater? i know groundwater gets infiltrated with saltwater... but watersheds like buhisan etc.etc???

Originally Posted by JuIcYdUdE22

apparently i am a wwf and a greenpeace volunteer FYI

im sorry but im now in doubt if youre really a wwf and greenpeace volunteer.

[arsikoy]

Originally Posted by PINOYmeat

its actually funny to see someone here believe cebu is now buying water from bohol!!! as a self claimed wwf and greenpeace volunteer, i think you should have known that that "PLAN" (stressing on PLAN, because it never came to reality) was scrapped because the cost would outweigh the benefits. and that plan was made before the existence of companies that offer desalination services. services that are now present in cebu.

oh yeah thanks for reminding me about that. but i guess with the pace of cebu's urban development, buying water from other island provinces (bohol) might be inevitable. but is that something cebu should be ashamed of? i don't think so. aside from the obvious environmental aspect, there are inherent factors that explain cebu's shortage of water. 1st, the geographic limitation of cebu means it doesn't have large river systems and so it follows that the watershed size is limited compared to bohol's, even if its a smaller island. 2nd, the population density of the island province is twice higher than any other province in the visayas and mindanao and 3rd, industrial use of water is ever increasing proportional to the pace of cebu's urban development plus add the ordinary domestic use of water. but not to worry, if singapore can make it, even if it buys water from her neighboring country- malaysia , what's so shameful with cebuanos buying water from the bol-anons?

[Waldenstrom]

Any Greenpeace Southeast Asia member here? I'm about to join the organization but I backed out the last minute because I heard many negative things about it.

[dinabaw]

Originally Posted by arsikoy

oh yeah thanks for reminding me about that. but i guess with the pace of cebu's urban development, buying water from other island provinces (bohol) might be inevitable. but is that something cebu should be ashamed of? i don't think so. aside from the obvious environmental aspect, there are inherent factors that explain cebu's shortage of water. 1st, the geographic limitation of cebu means it doesn't have large river systems and so it follows that the watershed size is limited compared to bohol's, even if its a smaller island. 2nd, the population density of the island province is twice higher than any other province in the visayas and mindanao and 3rd, industrial use of water is ever increasing proportional to the pace of cebu's urban development plus add the ordinary domestic use of water. but not to worry, if singapore can make it, even if it buys water from her neighboring country- malaysia , what's so shameful with cebuanos buying water from the bol-anons?

another way is collecting directly from rain water, some systems are now being used by farmers in Cotabato( which is being hit by dry spell occasionally) . In urban we need a big catchment to hold water from storm drainage goes to WTF piped it to every housholds . I think water is not only a concern of some areas it concerns ALL , their will be a time water will be the next black gold .

[KulasKusgan]

Originally Posted by filino

i love this! sa davao ba talaga to?

davao ang tag pero parang hindi. nagkamali yata si bruce of pbase.

heto ang sa marilog, davao city:

[KulasKusgan]

Originally Posted by g0Rs

Tinago Falls Trail, Brgy. Ditucalan, Iligan City

Tinago Falls taken last Oct 07