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Old January 27th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #101
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The M67 was originally planned to link to the Manc Way and continue on to Sheffield!

The M602 was meant to join with it on the Inner Ring Road, which would have meant a complete east-west motorway across the city.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #102
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Clearly roads are no where as exciting on here as say the latest 35 floor tower in town, but this should provide for interesting photo opportunities.

While we are here, a good old rumour/conspiracy theory in Tameside during the 90's was the idea that land was being cleared to make way for a dual carriageway from the Mancunian Way to the M67 at Denton Island.
90s i dont know about but i do know in the 60s Fort Ardwick was built back from the road to accomodate said motorway.

There is loads of info (and speculation) here

http://www.pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m...ield_motorway/

with great fantasy maps

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Old January 28th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #103
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As you drive through Gorton you notice that loads of things have been built so they are set back from Hyde Road to leave room for the motorway. Which basically means there are long strips of pointless grass and retail units face the wrong direction (Somerfield, KFC, what was Blockbuster).

Why they ever thought putting a motorway right through the middle of a residential area would be a good idea, I'll never know.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 05:40 PM   #104
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yep just look at the area from google earth
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Old January 28th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #105
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F@ck me sideways, but I had always taken that rumour with a massive dose of salt!!!!

I am astonished.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 10:21 PM   #106
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Hyde Road improvement has been documented over many years, through books, reports, plans, etc. As per usual, local democracy takes its course of ignoring or mis-informing local people.

I helped to create the Pathetic Motorway article with Steven. My family worked and lived along Hyde Road, before it was ruined for a never built motorway.

Plans for the road are shown in:
City of Manchester Plan 1945 as 'Parklway'
Road Plan for Lancashire 1949 as 'Express Route'
SELNEC Roads Plan 1962 as 'Urban Motorway'
Manchester - Sheffield Motorway (M67) as 'motorway standard' (as per M602)

Under the sense of GMCC many schemes were scrapped. Eventually, in the 80's/90's piecemeal redevelopment took place (Showcase, BCA, various car/hire showrooms), all car-based development of course!

Various other schemes included:

'Western Parkway' around Wythenshawe, alignment now for Metrolink
'Irwell Valley Motorway'
'Princess Parkway Motorway'
Longsight/Levenshulme A6 diversion
'Route D/23' from Broadway (Failsworth) via Ryder Brow to Chorlton/Sale
M60 routed via MAELR/A6(M)/A555 'SEMMMS' road
Altrincham & Sale Western Bypass.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #107
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Does anyone have any idea about this little bit of road out in Clayton.

I am very familiar with the 1945 Plan and some of its predecessors but i cant find any mention of this.

It seems to be the only built section of an otherwise unbuilt classic inter war dual carriageway boulevard ring road.

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll...09656&t=h&z=17

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Old January 28th, 2009, 11:08 PM   #108
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The Eastern Bypass, there is another section with the same road name nearby in Openshaw.

When it was discussed on SABRE, there was disagreement whether it was a standalone route or part of the wider D/23 scheme (because it is slightly off-line of that proposal).

Other piecemeal bits of D/23 built were Wayland Rd, Wayland Rd South in Ryder Brow, and Hardy Lane in Chorlton.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:58 AM   #109
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The Eastern Bypass, there is another section with the same road name nearby in Openshaw.

When it was discussed on SABRE, there was disagreement whether it was a standalone route or part of the wider D/23 scheme (because it is slightly off-line of that proposal).

Other piecemeal bits of D/23 built were Wayland Rd, Wayland Rd South in Ryder Brow, and Hardy Lane in Chorlton.
Brilliant - thanks for that.
Hardy Lane always intrigued me aswell. The Southern Hotel nearby always seemed like an unfeasably large pub for such a location but if Hardy Lane was destined to be the main southerly route out of Manchester it makes a little more sense.
Kingsway of course finished at The Mersey up until the 1950s (?)
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Old January 29th, 2009, 10:03 AM   #110
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90s i dont know about but i do know in the 60s Fort Ardwick was built back from the road to accomodate said motorway.

There is loads of info (and speculation) here

http://www.pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m...ield_motorway/

with great fantasy maps

This should be a priority.
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No disrespect Gan but you are clearly insane.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:10 PM   #112
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You'd be nuts, why would anyone want to divide communities, its what got us into this mess?

NEM UDC plans are to 'green' Hyde Road into a tree-lined boulevard, developing a high-density, mixed-used area, along with a retail high street area, around the Tesco Extra/Gorton District Centre (Market) area.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:11 PM   #113
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We need to slow vehicles down coming in and out of our cities - not encourage them to whizz in and out as quickly as possible. That way some of the outlying districts get the passing trade.
Case in point - M602/ Regent Road
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Old January 29th, 2009, 04:45 PM   #114
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Old February 4th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #115
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We need to slow vehicles down coming in and out of our cities - not encourage them to whizz in and out as quickly as possible. That way some of the outlying districts get the passing trade.
Case in point - M602/ Regent Road

Ah...at long last....an honest post. In other words you want to create/encourage congestion. When the next congestion charge/road pricing kerfulle starts(as it inevitably will) do volunteer to campaign for the forces of enlightenment, we can do with lots more of this honesty.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #117
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I don't think that being in a trafiic jam for so long that one has to use a nearby Harry Ramsden's to take a shit and buy a coke is what The Longford is highlighting.
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I don't think that being in a trafiic jam for so long that one has to use a nearby Harry Ramsden's to take a shit and buy a coke is what The Longford is highlighting.


You're absolutely right....what he's highlighting is the need for more of what you describe. It's called a self fulfiling prophecy. Free moving traffic is anathma to certain public transport zealots, less smoothly moving traffic helps to develop the agenda for higher motoring taxes, the purported 'waste of time' reason for no further road widening/improvements and dare one say something called 'congestion charging'
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Old February 5th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #119
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What Longy is getting at I assume is people who travel too fast then brake too hard are the culprits for so called 'Phantom Jams', if they travelled at a constant sensible speed, you'd brake less and traffic would tend to move better and more freely.
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Sweet FA Jets, you sound like the mouthpiece for those Association of British Drivers conspiracy theorists!!

You and me and even Longy knows if you doubled the size of every road out of manchester, the road chaos would continue.

More roads always means more cars.

We have the worst of both worlds. Crappy roads and crappy public transport.

A properly worked and extensive public transport system would mean that only those who needed to use their cars would. Of course some lazy fecks will never stop using their cars even if a tram was outside their house, running every minute, but the evidence is that people will change from their motors only if a decent system exists.

A decent public transport system would benefit the car user.

But anyway Jets, I hope you would rather this remained a thread about road development, than a rehash of the Tif arguments. We have enough of all that.
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