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Old October 30th, 2010, 04:33 PM   #2341
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Quatar is a country that made the biggest effort to improve in sports in the last 10 years easily... Croatia almost lost 2 top athletes to quatar because of better conditions.
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Quatar is a country that made the biggest effort to improve in sports in the last 10 years easily... Croatia almost lost 2 top athletes to quatar because of better conditions.
Qatars aggressive Nationalising program is parallel to this World Cup bid.It is totally devalueing in both cases.
They have no athletes,so just rape the world with money to gain success.
They have no real football culture,no travelling culture,no attendance culture,no qualifying experience yet,with the aid of money and only money ,expect to go straight to the front of the queue-despite having a bid that doesn't comply technically

http://www.nuoto.it/leggi.php?leggiID=10341
The deal was worth millions of US dollars with some guarantees and big bonuses for the swimmer. In the event of Schoeman winning a gold medal or breaking a world record, it is believed he would have pocketed a cool $1 million.
Schoeman was offered a contract together with another South African swimming sensation, Ryk Neethling but Neethling turned down the offer immediately while Schoeman needed time to consider it.
Last week, Qatar signed Croatia's best swimmer and Olympic silver medallist, Duje Draganja.
Draganja decided to move to Qatar and swim for the Gulf emirate in the future after accepting the Qatar offer.
Although his deal is said to be less than the one offered to Schoeman, he is set to pocket about $1m for the change of citizenship with the overall earning potential of up to $5m in bonuses for medals at major swimming events.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...icle744746.ece
December 2, 2005
Cash lures from Qatar may lead to rewriting of rulebook
The rich nation is attempting to buy sporting success

By Craig Lord
SWIMMING’S rules are set to be tightened to prevent a cash-for-medals culture developing after Duje Draganja, Croatia’s Olympic medal-winning sprinter, yesterday became the first swimmer to accept $1 million (about £580,000) to race for Qatar.

Incentives of up to £2 million plus bonuses for medals have been offered for several of the world’s leading swimmers to switch allegiance to the Gulf state, whose gas and oil reserves are expected to make it the wealthiest nation on earth per capita within two years. Those riches have already lured world-class runners and weightlifters to Qatar.

Ryk Neethling and Roland Schoeman, members of South Africa’s victorious Olympic 4 x 100 metres freestyle team in Athens, have each been offered $1 million a year for three years. Neethling refused the offer and has called on Fina, the world governing body for aquatic sports, to preserve “the sanctity of nationhood” in sport, while Schoeman, like Draganja, has used the situation as a bargaining tool with his country of origin.



Cornel Marculescu, executive director of Fina, told The Times that the issue would be high on the agenda at its next congress meeting in April, the first chance for the body to vote on rule changes. “We will take a look at the rulebook,” he said. “We need to keep some sense in our sport. It is one thing to change country in the case of human rights but this is something else.” He predicted that swimming would fall in line with the Olympic Charter’s three-year rule, as athletics did last year.

Before the Olympic Games in Athens last year, Jacques Rogge, president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), said: “What we don’t like is athletes being lured by large incentives by other countries — giving them a passport when they arrive at the airport.” Perhaps he should have a word with the heir to the Qatari throne, Sheik Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, a member of the IOC and head of his national Olympic committee that is behind Qatar’s recruitment programme.

When contacted by The Times, Khaleel al-Jabir, secretary-general of the Qatar Swimming Association and one of the chief organisers of the Asian Games in 2006, at first denied that any offers had been made to swimmers. This was despite confirmation to the contrary from competitors, including Domenico Fioravanti, Olympic champion over 100 and 200 metres breaststroke in Sydney in 2000, who was approached by Qatar after Italy forced him to retire from competition in 2001 when a doctor’s report suggested he was suffering from a heart condition. The Times understands that no formal offer was made.

When asked if the swimmers were therefore telling lies, al-Jabir answered: “No.” He said that deals with swimmers were something Qatar was “considering for the future”. However, he saw no difficulties ahead. “It’s sport, like football,” al-Jabir said. “If athletes want to naturalise themselves for a better future life, why shouldn’t they?”

It is believed that Qatar is driven by a desire to excel when it hosts the Asian Games in Doha next year. The Arab state has enjoyed rewards from its programme to the detriment of other nations. Kenya has complained vociferously over the case of Stephen Cherono, formerly its own 3,000 metres steeplechase champion but who ran under his new Arabic name, Saif Saeed Shaheen, to win the world title, while Qatar was also embroiled in controversy over its deals with Bulgarian weightlifters.
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Qatar seeks African soccer talent
Posted 1/29/2008 5:48 PM

By Sebastian Abbot, Associated Press Writer
DOHA, Qatar — Anthony Bassey Bassey developed his ability to deftly juggle a soccer ball in the rain and the mud of his native Nigeria, dreaming of someday playing for the powerhouse Spanish team Barcelona.

Now the 13-year-old practices in a soaring, air-conditioned domed stadium in this tiny, ultra-rich Persian Gulf nation -- thousands of miles from home.

Bassey is one of 23 players who made it to Qatar for the final round of the largest talent search in soccer history, a screening of 400,000 boys his age across seven African countries.

The tryouts were held by the Aspire sports academy, which is funded by Qatar's government. In the coming days, the school plans to announce the names of a handful of the players who will receive full scholarships to study and train at the campus in Doha.

The contest has catapulted Qatar to the front in the race for one of Africa's most precious resources -- its skilled young soccer players. But like China's quest for African oil and minerals, the push by Aspire has sparked controversy.

The school acknowledges it targeted younger players because the older ones already have been scooped up by agents.

Josep Colomer, a Spaniard who heads Aspire's initiative, said it chose Africa because places like South America have already been thoroughly mined for players. "I realized that Africa is full of talent, but nobody is taking care of them at the early age of 12 or 13," he said.


Others worry that Qatar's real aim is to enrich its own national teams down the road -- something it has tried before. There also are fears the program may not have enough social safety nets in place for those young athletes who don't make the final cut.

"This might be a good idea for the very small number of kids involved, though few of them are actually likely to make it as professional players," said John Williams, director for the Centre for the Sociology of Sport at the University of Leicester. But he asks: "What happens to those who fail? ... Educational and other support backup is crucial here."

Either way, Qatar's massive recruitment of young Africans, backed by the country's oil and gas riches, is certain to raise concerns, not just across a Mideast but in the rest of the soccer world.

"What I would say to the people in Qatar who are thinking of doing this is, 'Be careful, you are dealing with children,'" said Tunisia soccer coach Roger Lemerre, who led France to win the European Championship in 2000 and was coaching this week in the African Cup of Nations.

Aspire held 25,000 soccer matches at almost 600 fields in Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria, Senegal and South Africa from May through November 2007.
It chose three players from each country and three goalkeepers, and flew them to Qatar for a month of tryouts. One was Bassey, a midfielder from southern Nigeria who impressed scouts with his juggling even before the tryouts began. Out of the 24 players chosen, 23 remain because one was sent home for medical reasons, school officials said without providing details.

Aspire, which will offer its scholarship winners a high school education alongside sports training, does not appear to break any rules of soccer's governing body, FIFA, which prohibits professional clubs from moving players under 18 across borders.

Ivan Gazidis, deputy commissioner of Major League Soccer in the United States, said the FIFA rules have "reduced some of the more extreme circumstances of child exploitation."

While not directly affiliated with a professional soccer club, Aspire officials say they will own the players' rights, acting as their agents when they begin playing professionally.

Aspire is one of many soccer academies that FIFA has little ability to govern, although it has in general expressed strong concerns about the increasing movement of young Africans from their home countries.

FIFA refused to comment directly on Aspire "without having the complete official information on its activities."

A bigger issue is naturalization: FIFA has strongly criticized aggressive naturalization of players with few links to their new countries and tightened its rules after denying Qatar's attempt to grant three Brazilian players citizenship to help it qualify for the 2006 World Cup.

But Aspire does not rule out naturalization, either.
In addition to the three Brazilians, Qatar gave passports and Arabic names to eight Bulgarians shortly before the 1999 world weightlifting championships in exchange for an undisclosed sum of money. One of them, Saelem Nayef Badr, won two gold medals at that event. Kenyan runner Stephen Cherono also later changed his name to Saif Saaeed Shaheen and set a world record in the steeplechase in 2004.

Radnedge said he would expect many of the African players to become naturalized Qatari citizens.
Most of FIFA's concerns focus on outright trafficking -- the practice of local agents, often unscrupulous or with few credentials, cutting deals with young players or their families, and then marketing them to professional clubs.

Some believe FIFA should be even more aggressive.
Jean-Claude Mbvoumin, head of Culture Foot Solidaire, a charity set up to help African teenage players trafficked to Europe, asked FIFA last year to stop Aspire's talent search because he believed it violated the spirit of the international rules on moving athletes under 18.

Karim Haggui, a 24-year-old Tunisian who plays for Bayer Leverkusen in Germany but competed this month in the African Cup in Ghana, said he sees the Qatari academy as both an opportunity -- and possible exploitation.

"There are a lot of youngsters -- a lot of talent -- who are here and who finish their careers in Africa without anyone ever seeing them," Haggui said. But if Africans end up playing for another country's national team, he added, "it becomes commerce."

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Thats seriously ****ed up. Qatar - raping the world for sports success.
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Thats seriously ****ed up. Qatar - raping the world for sports success.
And failing at it.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #2346
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Congratulations on reaching the 20th Century,glad you finally made it.Would be good if you had a Womens National Football team like another 168 nations.
Also quite surprised the ladies from the WTA are allowed to show so much flesh in Doha ATM.Do they need a permit??
What is wrong with you !!? Oh and if you even bothered to check, we have a Womens National Football team. The last 10 years had massive changes. what do you mean by your "stupid" flesh comment ? we had Israelis participate in Qatar for gods sake ! seriously get over it already.
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Aspire sure has that controversial program, but its really doing a lot for this country in terms of sports.
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That's not really the point
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Old October 30th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #2349
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ASPIRE International Programs
ASPIRE has a world renowned program, ASPIRE Football Dreams, with NIKE and UNICEF as supporting sponsors, that reached 630,000 children in Asia, Africa and South and Central America in 2009. The program utilizes over 800 playing fields, involves 6,500 volunteers, provides over 13,000 balls, distributes 105,000 items of equipment and includes coaching instruction. This program is used to identify international football scholarship athletes. In Africa, ASPIRE Football Dreams is the selection process for students invited to attend ASPIRE Senegal, a football training center which also provides an educational program for children. Athletes from eleven African nations attend ASPIRE Senegal and teams from ASPIRE Senegal come to Doha to compete against ASPIRE Academy teams. Boys from the ASPIRE Football Dreams and ASPIRE Senegal programs have the opportunity to be considered for ASPIRE Academy scholarships in Doha.

ASPIRE Senegal
ASPIRE Senegal is an elite football training center for 13- to 17-year-old student-athletes from 10 African nations (Senegal, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Ghana, Mali and Nigeria), which also provides an educational program in co-operation with local schools. ASPIRE Senegal was established in 2008-2009 with its initial class of 13-14-year olds. Each class will eventually consist of the best 20-25 players in Africa.

The student-athletes are selected from among the best African players identified through ASPIRE Football Dreams, a unique scouting and testing program which is sponsored by ASPIRE, with Nike and UNICEF as supporting sponsors, that involved the participation of 630,000 13-year-olds in 2009.

Teams from ASPIRE Senegal come to ASPIRE Academy in Doha to train and compete, providing outstanding training partners and competitors for the Academy’s older football teams. The goal of the program is to provide the finest training program from top coaches, and for each of these young athletes to represent the national teams of their respective countries. These student-athletes are also considered for scholarships to attend ASPIRE Academy in Doha.
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What is wrong with you !!? Oh and if you even bothered to check, we have a Womens National Football team.


Below you will find ALL Womens FIFA Ranked teams-168 of them.Please note that Qatar is NOT listed

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ra...ion=0&rank=531

1 USA 2227 0 Equal -6
2 Germany 2151 0 Equal 0
3 Brazil 2124 0 Equal 0
4 Sweden 2052 0 Equal -14
5 Japan 2034 0 Equal 12
6 Korea DPR 2005 0 Equal -10
7 Norway 1990 0 Equal -5
8 France 1974 0 Equal 1
9 England 1967 0 Equal -4
10 Denmark 1953 1 Up 10
11 Italy 1949 2 Up 20
11 Australia 1949 3 Up 33
13 Canada 1946 -2 Down 3
14 China PR 1911 -4 Down -34
15 Netherlands 1860 1 Up 7
16 Iceland 1834 2 Up -2
17 Finland 1828 0 Equal -17
18 Russia 1819 -3 Down -35
19 Spain 1816 1 Up 4
20 Ukraine 1815 -1 Down -8
21 Korea Republic 1806 0 Equal 0
22 Mexico 1775 0 Equal 0
23 Czech Republic 1753 1 Up 18
24 New Zealand 1752 -1 Down 0
25 Scotland 1736 0 Equal 19
26 Switzerland 1716 0 Equal 31
27 Nigeria 1656 1 Up 0
28 Argentina 1649 1 Up 0
29 Poland 1639 -2 Down -21
30 Republic of Ireland 1633 0 Equal 0
31 Vietnam 1612 1 Up 0
32 Thailand 1611 -1 Down -6
33 Hungary 1605 0 Equal 8
34 Belgium 1597 0 Equal 1
35 Romania 1592 0 Equal 7
36 Chinese Taipei 1585 -1 Down 0
37 Colombia 1577 1 Up 0
38 Austria 1575 2 Up 7
39 Belarus 1572 3 Up 26
40 Portugal 1561 1 Up -1
41 Slovakia 1549 -2 Down -25
42 Serbia 1546 -5 Down -34
43 Ghana 1535 1 Up 4
44 Myanmar 1526 3 Up 7
45 Peru 1522 0 Equal 0
46 Trinidad and Tobago 1521 -3 Down -15
47 Costa Rica 1520 -1 Down 0
48 Uzbekistan 1502 1 Up 0
49 Wales 1500 1 Up 0
50 Bulgaria 1498 -2 Down -15
51 Chile 1481 0 Equal 0
52 Ecuador 1473 0 Equal 0
53 Jordan 1464 0 Equal 0
54 Greece 1454 0 Equal -1
55 Iran 1452 0 Equal 0
56 India 1440 0 Equal 0
57 South Africa 1411 0 Equal 0
58 Israel 1402 3 Up 19
59 Slovenia 1401 0 Equal -2
60 Croatia 1398 0 Equal 1
61 Haiti 1397 -3 Down -8
62 Turkey 1377 0 Equal -5
63 Hong Kong 1368 0 Equal 0
64 Northern Ireland 1362 2 Up 10
65 Bahrain 1355 0 Equal 0
66 Algeria 1354 6 Up 22
67 Indonesia 1351 1 Up 0
67 Faroe Islands 1351 1 Up 0
67 Azerbaijan 1351 -3 Down -5
70 Equatorial Guinea 1348 0 Equal 0
71 Morocco 1338 0 Equal 0
72 Venezuela 1337 2 Up 10
73 Côte d'Ivoire 1331 0 Equal 0
74 Estonia 1329 5 Up 22
74 Kazakhstan 1329 -8 Down -23
76 Cameroon 1323 1 Up 6
77 Lithuania 1320 -1 Down 0
78 Guam 1308 0 Equal 0
79 Tunisia 1305 -5 Down -22
80 Guatemala 1301 0 Equal 4
81 Egypt 1294 0 Equal 0
82 Senegal 1290 -1 Down -4
83 Laos 1288 1 Up 0
84 Philippines 1267 1 Up 0
85 Guyana 1262 -84
86 Mali 1260 -3 Down -33
87 Malaysia 1252 -1 Down 0
88 Dominican Republic 1235 -1 Down 0
89 Latvia 1234 -1 Down 0
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina 1233 -1 Down 3
91 Luxembourg 1214 -1 Down 0
92 Palestine 1212 -1 Down 0
93 Bolivia 1210 -1 Down 0
94 Suriname 1189 -1 Down 0
95 Honduras 1175 -1 Down 0
96 Cuba 1166 -1 Down -2
97 Angola 1151 -1 Down 0
98 El Salvador 1148 0 Equal 0
99 Congo DR 1143 -2 Down -6
99 Kyrgyzstan 1143 0 Equal 0
101 Nicaragua 1135 -1 Down -7
102 Malta 1114 -1 Down -1
103 Puerto Rico 1108 -1 Down 17
104 Armenia 1089 -1 Down 0
105 Guinea 1076 1 Up 33
106 Ethiopia 1067 -2 Down 0
107 Nepal 1062 -2 Down 0
108 Namibia 1040 -1 Down 0
109 Georgia 1035 -1 Down 0
110 FYR Macedonia 1009 -1 Down -2
111 St.Vincent and Grenadines1008 -1 Down 0
112 Maldives 964 -1 Down 0
113 Dominica 933 -1 Down 0
114 Tanzania 873 -1 Down 0
115 Belize 814 -1 Down 0
116 Antigua and Barbuda 756 -1 Down 0
117 Botswana 704 -1 Down 0
Papua New Guinea** 1414 0
Uruguay** 1401 0
Paraguay** 1401 0
Tonga** 1392 0
Panama** 1379 0
Jamaica** 1339 0
Fiji** 1335 0
Tahiti** 1258 0
Congo** 1238 0
Singapore** 1210 0
Vanuatu** 1208 0
Solomon Islands** 1194 0
Benin** 1187 0
Moldova** 1177 0
Zimbabwe** 1167 0
Samoa** 1125 0
Bahamas** 1111 0
American Samoa** 1089 0
Cook Islands** 1087 0
Cyprus** 1023 0
Burkina Faso** 1003 0
Malawi** 983 0
Lesotho** 956 0
Zambia** 951 0
Lebanon** 946 0
Guinea-Bissau** 927 0
Bermuda** 925 0
New Caledonia** 918 0
Kenya** 879 0
Mozambique** 877 0
British Virgin Islands** 867 0
Swaziland** 863 0
Aruba** 853 0
Cayman Islands** 847 0
Netherlands Antilles** 831 0
Liberia** 733 0
Comoros** 534 0
United Arab Emirates* 1729 0
Barbados* 1173 0
Sierra Leone* 1132 0
Syria* 1079 0
St. Lucia* 1061 0
Eritrea* 1060 -56
Gabon* 1031 0
Grenada* 1029 0
St. Kitts and Nevis* 974 0
Turks and Caicos Islands* 963 0
Sri Lanka* 888 0
US Virgin Islands* 885 0
Pakistan* 878 0
Bangladesh* 871 0
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You didn't have to post the entire list. And it is since they had their first international matches this year. This argument along with Aspire is not really relevant to this topic.
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You didn't have to post the entire list. And it is since they had their first international matches this year. This argument along with Aspire is not really relevant to this topic.
Oh yes it is mate.

I assert that Qatar has no established football culture-hence the low/non existent rankings and also the need to nationalise players in all sports in an effort to gain instant success.Extremely similar to the WC bid.
While many other countries(including footballing superpowers) wait patently for decade upon decade,Qatar comes waltzing in,with full bag of money and says-----------"I'm coming to the front of the queue".
All this despite
-not being technically compliant with a single city bid
-not having qualified
-not publishing attendance figures for the QFL(surely someone can count to 58)
-not offering any diversity whatsoever
-not having a local legacy
-not understanding FIFAs WC ticketing allocation rules
-not having testing cooling technology in an 86,000 seat stadium when the outside temperature is 46.3 degrees(the amazing average in June and July this year in Doha-58 days over 40)
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Then why don't you give up this stupid argument ?
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If Qatar gets this, it will be the most obvious theft, steal, call it whatever you want, in history of, not just sport, the World.

And there is big possibility for that, as we saw recently how corrupted are most influent members of FIFA.
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In fact, this is exactly why the miniscule village of Doha in terms of global football scale should have the privilege of hosting 2022. One day you'll appreciate the undisputed and multi-layered profoundness of my statement.
I am aware of this. Unfortunately.
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Then why don't you give up this stupid argument ?

I hate generalising but I'm going to on this occasion.So many times in South Africa when I was waiting patiently in a queue-whether it be the cable car at Table Mountain,or for food at half time at a WC match,a certain group of people continuously went to the front of the waiting line------UNTIL SHOUTED OUT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD
Of course everyone was outraged at the audacity,the sheer rudeness,the absolute contempt
These Middle Eastern folk(and as I said I hate generalising but it was always plain as day)thought the world owed them one because of the money in their pocket.
They didn't

Do your time Qatar,like the rest of the World.There is so much more to life than money, and trying to use that money to artificially inflate your position in the queue

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Doesn't hold water with me mate
I went to the WC in '06 with 2 Australians of Lebanese descent and loved it,despite the non stop attempts to convert me to Islam ,the never ending requests for Germany's national food-the Kebab,or the extra time waiting while they both got searched at gates to stadia etc

I made a valid point,accept it
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I hate generalising but I'm going to on this occasion.So many times in South Africa when I was waiting patiently in a queue-whether it be the cable car at Table Mountain,or for food at half time at a WC match,a certain group of people continuously went to the front of the waiting line------UNTIL SHOUTED OUT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD
Of course everyone was outraged at the audacity,the sheer rudeness,the absolute contempt
These Middle Eastern folk(and as I said I hate generalising but it was always plain as day)thought the world owed them one because of the money in their pocket.
They didn't

Do your time Qatar,like the rest of the World.There is so much more to life than money, and trying to use that money to artificially inflate your position in the queue

Though its racist I 100% agree.
Their mentality is that the world needs to bow down to them.
STEREOTYPICALLY!

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Originally Posted by Qatar Son 333 View Post
You didn't have to post the entire list. And it is since they had their first international matches this year. This argument along with Aspire is not really relevant to this topic.
Its 100% relevant to the topic, everything X has posted is a good eye opener to everyone seeing this thread.
We aren't trolling the thread, just showing everyone the truth behind all your propaganda posts.

IF Qatar actually get the WC, I hope the entire world know it was from corruption, and we protest it by not going, I know I will.
In another 2042, I will commit to your WC and Olympic games, when you at least wait awhile for the respect and fame from the world...not "jumping to the from of the queue"
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