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Old November 25th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #2681
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Interesting article on the qatar bid. have a look, but i'm not sure you can see the video if your from out of the uk.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9224946.stm
By Tim Franks
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"The thumb-shaped Qatar peninsula," warns the Lonely Planet guide (1st edition, published 2000) "is not exactly one of the world's major tourist destinations."

The chapter on the Qatari capital is even less enticing. "Around the Gulf, Doha has earned the unenviable reputation of being the dullest place on earth."

Ten years on, Qatar has been pricked into the most determined reaction. It has launched an attempt to stage the 2022 World Cup. It is a bid so improbable, it might just come true.

This is a country with a population of little more than a million, promising to fill 50,000-seater stadiums. It is a country of little apparent footballing pedigree, lying 108th in the Fifa rankings. And it is a country where, at the time of year the tournament is held, the weather can touch 50 degrees Celsius. Fifa guidelines hold that any temperature above 32 degrees puts players at "extreme" risk.

Qatar, though, believes it not only has the answers but an irresistible allure. Of that, more later. First, though, to the issue of players, coaches and fans suffering heatstroke by the plane-load.

The bid committee's prize exhibit lies off the E-Ring Road, on the outskirts of Doha.


This being Qatar, a place where money is not so much on tap as sluiced through a vast pipeline, they are not relying solely on child-sized models and whizzy graphics to make their case.

When the suits from the Fifa technical committee came for an inspection in September, they were taken to a 500-seater, five-a-side stadium that had been erected in a matter of weeks, in an attempt to prove that it is possible to play football in Qatar in the summer.

Fifa rules demand that World Cup matches be played under an open roof. Qatar's answer to that is to create a three metre-high bank of cool air in which players can play and spectators can watch.

The source of the air-conditioning can be found in the swathe of desert adjacent to the stadium: a "solar farm", where photovoltaic cells pour energy, year-round, into the national grid and where tubes of water are heated to 200 degrees Celsius, before their energy is alchemised into cooling vast freezer packs that sit under the stadium.

According to Lee Hosking, one of the architects from Arup Associates, the British specialists responsible for the design of the showcase building mentioned above, the process is zero carbon.

"Bring it on," he declaims, as the heat beats down, even on this November morning. "How much energy do you need? We've got it from the sun."

There are some unanswered questions.

For example, what might happen should the wind begin to stir the cool and hot air?

How big an area might you need for the "solar farms" that service the bigger stadiums (the PV cells off the "E" Ring Road take up about twice the area of the prototype stadium)?

And how expensive is it all (the architects were unable to say how much even this small stadium cost to build)?

It's the greatest ability to put the Middle East on a platform and for the world to see it for what it truly is



On the last issue, money does indeed appear to be immaterial. Some might baulk at the increasingly stringent demands that governing bodies such as Fifa or the International Olympic Committee make of any country that has the temerity to offer to stage one of their tournaments.

Oil and gas-rich Qatar, in contrast, appears to be standing, legs astride, mouth grinning, hands beckoning. It is offering to spend £25bn ($40bn) on a rail and metro system to transport fans around the peninsula. It is promising to dismantle its stadiums after the competition and transport them to poorer countries in the region.

All that is, to use the jargon du jour, the "vision".

But Qatar is keen to show that it is a player, even now. Some of these Gulf states prickle with frustration when they are derided as gold-plated baths of bad taste.

Qataris know that respect is earned by more than the size of their shopping malls. Which is why, on the most recent night scheduled for international friendlies, the game between Argentina and Brazil was not held in Buenos Aires or Rio but at the Khalifa stadium in Doha.

Ronaldinho sparkled and Messi ruled, watched by a stadium full of men in their sparkling white dishdashas, adorned with their Brazil or Argentina scarfs.

"We are confident and we shall do it," one beaming fan told me. "Inshallah, we shall bring the World Cup in '22." "Why not?" asked his friend. "Don't worry."

The message was clear: bringing a World Cup to the Middle East might be novel but it is not unimaginable.

At the same time - and at who knows what expense - a four-day conference of international sporting supremos was taking place at the Aspire Sports Academy in Doha.


As Argentine midfielder maestro Ossie Ardiles was giving local children a masterclass on the outdoor pitches, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson was singing the bid's praises inside the venue. The Scot described the promise to flat-pack the stadiums and deliver them to poorer footballing nations as "a key card" that will "pull the heartstrings of everyone".

In a way, so far, so predictable. All bids, these days, claim that they will provide amazing facilities and an inchoate thing called "legacy".

But Qatar's application goes beyond this. Hassan al Thawadi, the immaculately attired 31 year-old chief executive of the bid, lays down a polite but firm challenge to the conservative men of Fifa.

It is not simply, he says, that Qatar is the "15th safest country in the world - ahead of Switzerland or Singapore". Bringing the World Cup to Qatar will, he says, offer nothing less than an antidote to the toxic clash of civilisations.

"It's the greatest ability to put the Middle East on a platform and for the world to see it for what it truly is," al Thawadi says. "More importantly, it allows the Middle East to interact with the rest of the world, and any misconceptions that people in the Middle East might have about the West can be taken away.

"If there's ever an opportunity to unite everybody towards one goal, then the passion for football and the World Cup is the ultimate tool."

It is vaulting language: to claim a place among those whose mark was felt across east and west - from Alexander the Great, to Suleiman the Magnificent and now, so we are asked to imagine, to Sheikh Hamad bin Khalfia al Thani, Emir of Qatar.

That a country so low in the rankings, so hot and so small, can be one of the favourites to host the second biggest sporting event in the world after the Summer Olympics, rips up conventional wisdom.

But then, travelling the emirate, it is clear that tiny Qatar has a huge sense of itself.

It will find out if that belief is misplaced on 2 December, when it goes up against Japan, the United States, Australia and South Korea for the right to host the 2002 World Cup.
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Old November 25th, 2010, 10:02 PM   #2682
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i'm not sure you can see the video if your from out of the uk.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9224946.stm
Apparently we can !
Thanks for sharing.
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Old November 25th, 2010, 10:12 PM   #2683
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Qatar's bid is a sham, 80% of your population are expats, these people don't give a toss about your country because they aren't even citizens, they're classed as 2nd rate human beings in Qatar. You aren't even allowed to go shopping if you are from various backgrounds. The rest, i.e. the citizens clearly don't give a toss about football either because your stands are always embarrassingly empty. Most football games have 5 people attending, some just the coaching staff and players. Your national team is a disgrace, more than half filled with people who have no association with your country who were bought to swap nationalities when Qatar is one of the hardest countries in the world to get citizenship in, then when they fail, it gets revoked and they get sent back home. Even with all these bought players from other nations and stealing of youth players from other nations, Qatar couldn't even qualify for a world cup ever.

You bid is based on unproven technologies and stadiums which only exist on graphic design videos and images. The plan to base the whole world cup in such a small area would cause security headaches for even the best militaries on the planet and the logistical concerns in dealing with all those fans are extreme to say the least. Also there are other factors, Qatar's ratio of males to females is 4 to 1, which gets further skewed during June/July as these are the hottest months of the year in Qatar and even Qataris try and escape during the time. Infact it is all Qataris trying to escape because your expats are forced to continue working. If the husbands don't have holidays then the wives and kids try and escape thus blowing the male to female ratio up to 6 to or even 7 to 1. Even then people get arrested all the time for public making out and alcohol laws are a major issue as well, the fans don't have tourist attractions either to visit, so what are they meant to do exactly? Sunbake? It's all well and good Qatar to have this outlandish bid on paper and graphic design videos, then bribe everyone and anyone that you can and buy ambassadors whom your nation has no connection with because you have no one that matters in football or otherwise but when it comes to the final crunch everyone sees your bid is complete mickey mouse.

That's why the FIFA technical report gave you a high risk rating, infact I think they were being kind. It's the worst bid of all time from any bidding nation. If any fifa executive votes for Qatar other than MBH, they will be investigated for decades until people find out the exact amount, they will not have a minute of privacy without having to worry about their "payments". You think that's worth it? I don't think so. Qatar's bid is going down and going down in a big way, I support a middle east world cup but Qatar is 1000% the wrong country to host it. It should be the nation that Bin Hammam didn't even vote for in the 2010 host race, Egypt that hosts the first Arab world cup. Egypt has everything that Qatar doesn't. They have a fantastic football team (with their own people), passionate football crowds, fantastic tourist venues and more. Egypt deserves to host a world cup, Qatar does not. Go Egypt 2026 but Qatar's bid as the FIFA technical report deemed = total FAIL.


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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #2684
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Another Arabic saying goes: "Qatari elephants turn to a whiter modular shade of pale "
but do they skip the light fandango?
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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:11 AM   #2685
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Two words: Health Risk

End of story!
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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #2686
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there are alot of haters out there, why dont you give it a rest, you have nothing to do with fifa's decision, i for one, hope qatar get it, just to prove everyone wrong and shut their mouths
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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #2687
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Qatar's bid is a sham, 80% of your population are expats, these people don't give a toss about your country because they aren't even citizens, they're classed as 2nd rate human beings in Qatar. You aren't even allowed to go shopping if you are from various backgrounds. The rest, i.e. the citizens clearly don't give a toss about football either because your stands are always embarrassingly empty. Most football games have 5 people attending, some just the coaching staff and players. Your national team is a disgrace, more than half filled with people who have no association with your country who were bought to swap nationalities when Qatar is one of the hardest countries in the world to get citizenship in, then when they fail, it gets revoked and they get sent back home. Even with all these bought players from other nations and stealing of youth players from other nations, Qatar couldn't even qualify for a world cup ever.

You bid is based on unproven technologies and stadiums which only exist on graphic design videos and images. The plan to base the whole world cup in such a small area would cause security headaches for even the best militaries on the planet and the logistical concerns in dealing with all those fans are extreme to say the least. Also there are other factors, Qatar's ratio of males to females is 4 to 1, which gets further skewed during June/July as these are the hottest months of the year in Qatar and even Qataris try and escape during the time. Infact it is all Qataris trying to escape because your expats are forced to continue working. If the husbands don't have holidays then the wives and kids try and escape thus blowing the male to female ratio up to 6 to or even 7 to 1. Even then people get arrested all the time for public making out and alcohol laws are a major issue as well, the fans don't have tourist attractions either to visit, so what are they meant to do exactly? Sunbake? It's all well and good Qatar to have this outlandish bid on paper and graphic design videos, then bribe everyone and anyone that you can and buy ambassadors whom your nation has no connection with because you have no one that matters in football or otherwise but when it comes to the final crunch everyone sees your bid is complete mickey mouse.

That's why the FIFA technical report gave you a high risk rating, infact I think they were being kind. It's the worst bid of all time from any bidding nation. If any fifa executive votes for Qatar other than MBH, they will be investigated for decades until people find out the exact amount, they will not have a minute of privacy without having to worry about their "payments". You think that's worth it? I don't think so. Qatar's bid is going down and going down in a big way, I support a middle east world cup but Qatar is 1000% the wrong country to host it. It should be the nation that Bin Hammam didn't even vote for in the 2010 host race, Egypt that hosts the first Arab world cup. Egypt has everything that Qatar doesn't. They have a fantastic football team (with their own people), passionate football crowds, fantastic tourist venues and more. Egypt deserves to host a world cup, Qatar does not. Go Egypt 2026 but Qatar's bid as the FIFA technical report deemed = total FAIL.

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Twenty-two; the average crowd at a Qatar Premier League match emblazoned on a giant t-shirt. Be it cynical or sceptical or realistic or symbolic; it perfectly sums up keeping up Qatari appearances.
classic and entry is free to games, shows the true status of football in Qatar.


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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:41 AM   #2688
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there are alot of haters out there, why dont you give it a rest, you have nothing to do with fifa's decision, i for one, hope qatar get it, just to prove everyone wrong and shut their mouths
Tell that to Mystery Mike, he's posting all these articles and videos from his ass and he thinks his voodoo magic will impact the damn vote. . The dude has as much impact on the vote as a bushmon in Papua New Guinea.
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there are alot of haters out there, why dont you give it a rest, you have nothing to do with fifa's decision, i for one, hope qatar get it, just to prove everyone wrong and shut their mouths
This coming from who?

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ukraine-poland=the worst possible candidates
Someone who thinks Ukraine/Poland are the worst possible candidates for euro, please However worse you think they are for euro, Qatar's bid is like an infinite times worse for the world cup, so why don't you just look at the FACTS?

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Shut up man you're american all you do is look at racial aspect of everything. That's why it effects you so much. Just move on. It's been 400 years since slavery and the South still looks like half just came fresh off the boat from Zimbabwe and the other half from Russia. The South should be looking like Brazil or the Dominican Republic by now. All mixed up.
As for you Trelawny, we all know about your hogwash
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Why do you keep bringing that post up? The South is sad why can't a find any mulattos in the south? Slavery ended at like the same time as Cuba, Brasil, Dominican and even Puerto Rico yet they got millions of mixed races honey's. The south is night and day no middle wtf.
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there are alot of haters out there, why dont you give it a rest, you have nothing to do with fifa's decision, i for one, hope qatar get it, just to prove everyone wrong and shut their mouths
Why, because you said so?
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there are alot of haters out there, eg. the rest of the world except for Doha and Madrid, i for one, hope qatar get it, just so the rest of the World suffers

Thats all very fine for you
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Twenty-two; the average crowd at a Qatar Premier League match emblazoned on a giant t-shirt. Be it cynical or sceptical or realistic or symbolic; it perfectly sums up keeping up Qatari appearances.
Bark as much as you want, this carriage is on the move.
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Bark as much as you want, this carriage is on the move.
The Carriage is Health Risk and the Qatari PR machine are the ones barking
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The Carriage is Health Risk and the Qatari PR machine are the ones barking
We are silent, on the other hand most of the people over here are barking for no reason... , fun to see all of you trying so hard but cant ...
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I have to say though, it is a shame that the "Union of Arab Emirates" (Qatar + Bahrain + UAE) didnt happen as planned. It would have been one hell of a prosperous country ! The combined resources and developments would have thrown this nation to the top levels of everything !..

As a single nation with "realistic" FIFA WC cities (Manama, Doha, Abudhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ras Al-Khaimah, Umm Al-Qouen, Fujairah, Al-Ain)

All of them having rail connections, some having metro transport and most of them having airports of their own, not to mention Dubai having the worlds largest airport (Al-Maktoum).

Tallest Tower in the world. (Burj Khalifa)
Largest Mall ever built (Dubai Mall)
Worlds largest theme park (Dubai Land)
And thats only Dubai !
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333,Many countries have the ability to build the biggest building in the world-but they choose not to because they are more sophisticated than that
And who wants to go to the largest mall-I don't
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And who wants to go to the largest mall-I don't
Most girls who like shopping will tell you that size matters!
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333,Many countries have the ability to build the biggest building in the world-but they choose not to because they are more sophisticated than that
And who wants to go to the largest mall-I don't
thats because they dont need to create tourism, however Dubai and such do.

mall? YOUR opinion.
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