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Old May 13th, 2010, 05:44 AM   #341
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Olympic games event much larger than worldcup and everybody saw Doha 2016 result and how it is was close to Chicago, Madrid and tokyo but in world cup bid the qataris learned much of their experience in Doha 2016 and they determined to surprise the world as it is in their campaign ( EXPECT AMAZING ) so guys prepare yourselves to december surprise
The Doha 2016 bid did not even make the shortlist so it wasn't excactly close to the other cities mentioned. The evaluation reports found many areas of improvement and did not consider it ready to host the games.

I also see Qatar as not quite large enough to host the event on its own. Even Spain and Portugal were putting in a joint bid. Maybe a GCC WC bid would be better. Maybe a UAE/Qatar bid or something like that.

To those that say that Alcohol laws would be an issue and stop Qatar getting the bid though, that is a very short sighted thing. To be honest, more countries should follow this lead. Alcohol does no good for anyone, and at sporting events, only cause issues. More and more people are realising this.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 06:50 AM   #342
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Ok WC 2022 can go to Qatar if you promise to support 2026 Monaco - San Marino bid.
No way !!!

Monaco could easily host the FIFA WC and the summer and/or winter games alone (and even the three events in the same time ) !!!!!!!


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Old May 13th, 2010, 07:17 AM   #343
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Qatar: So far, Expect Amazing .

And besides, most of the Fans would be from the Arab countries and specifically Saudi Arabian's, Football crazies.
Indeed (if you say so) ... !!!!!

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Old May 13th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #344
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i reckon qatar son 333's boots are a bit too big for him because quite honestly, in everyones opinion except people who actually live in qatar, this bid has no chance,
THE FACT IS A COUNTRY WITH A 1.6 MILLION POPULATION CANNOT AND WILL NOT HOST A WORLD CUP, if qatar was selected for the month or so that the world cup is on they would have an 80% increase in population, this is absolutely rediculous, apart from that fact, were do 1.5 million or more tourists stay when there is only 1.8-2 million people in the entire country
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Old May 13th, 2010, 10:46 AM   #345
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Cape Town 2022! We have 3.5 million people!
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Old May 13th, 2010, 11:07 AM   #346
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THE FACT IS A COUNTRY WITH A 1.6 MILLION POPULATION CANNOT AND WILL NOT HOST A WORLD CUP, if qatar was selected for the month or so that the world cup is on they would have an 80% increase in population, this is absolutely rediculous, apart from that fact, were do 1.5 million or more tourists stay when there is only 1.8-2 million people in the entire country
Estimates say that by 2020 population would be 3 million and that most big key infrastructure projects would be done by then, Qatar Tourism Authority has announced that the number of hotel rooms is increasing 25% every year. More accommodation is going to be built on the outskirts of Doha for the fans.

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Indeed (if you say so) ... !!!!!
How is that in any way relevant to my post ??? If your asking will theses things be allowed in Qatar, Yes they will, our laws are not so tough and there will be a liberalisation of policies.

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The Doha 2016 bid did not even make the shortlist so it wasn't excactly close to the other cities mentioned. The evaluation reports found many areas of improvement and did not consider it ready to host the games.

To those that say that Alcohol laws would be an issue and stop Qatar getting the bid though, that is a very short sighted thing. To be honest, more countries should follow this lead. Alcohol does no good for anyone, and at sporting events, only cause issues. More and more people are realising this.
IOC Score's

Baku : 4.3
Prague : 5.3
Rio de Janeiro : 6.4
Doha : 6.9
Chicago : 7.0
Madrid : 8.1
Tokyo :8.3

We were supposed to be shortlisted but the only problem was that the officials behind the bid wanted it to be in October which is outside the specified period of the IOC.

Yes Alcohol simply has too many problems, thus it would be limited to a minimal. This is a Family-Oriented Compact World Cup.

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Old May 13th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #347
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Olympic games event much larger than worldcup
No they're not, get a grip.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 11:25 AM   #348
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wow, a country with a population of 3 million hosting a world cup, just two honest questions, why are all but 2 stadiums of around 45,000 capacity and what happens if the oil rich arab nations supply runs out some time in the next 10-15 years (quite a high chance based on current consumption)
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Old May 13th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #349
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wow, a country with a population of 3 million hosting a world cup, just two honest questions, why are all but 2 stadiums of around 45,000 capacity and what happens if the oil rich arab nations supply runs out some time in the next 10-15 years (quite a high chance based on current consumption)
Again, the Oil stereotype. Qatar runs on Natural Gas, it has the worlds single largest gas field, and the 3rd largest reserves in the world. Other than the energy sector, which is its main revenue, Qatar is making huge investments in health, education and sports with an eye open on the future generations.
Besides, The gas reserves in Qatar will survive 200 years in the future. by then we would have all of Qatar running on solar power, which is slowly being introduced.

" During the FIFA World Cup™, each stadium will be able to accommodate between 40,000 and 50,000 fans. When the tournament ends, the lower tiers of the stadia will remain in Qatar, able to accommodate between 20,000 and 25,000 fans, suitable for local football, while the upper tiers will be sent to developing nations. "
from the Qatar 2022 website, by that time 20-25K stadiums would be a good size for the population.

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No they're not, get a grip.
Yes the Olympics is the world largest multi-sport event, and the Asian Games is the second largest Multi sports event which Doha hosted in 2006 and Doha is bidding for the 2020 Olympics.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #350
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that doesnt help your argument, you cant successfully host a world cup with majority of stadiums under 55,000 as well as the fact that that the national league struggles to draw an average 10,000 per week so umm, even though i wasnt even questioning the legacy plans but they too have problems
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Old May 13th, 2010, 12:44 PM   #351
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Yes the Olympics is the world largest multi-sport event, and the Asian Games is the second largest Multi sports event which Doha hosted in 2006 and Doha is bidding for the 2020 Olympics.
Shifting the goalposts now? Largest multi sporting event yes, but not the largest sporting event, which is the FIFA World Cup.
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[QUOTE=Qatar Son 333;56822387]Again, the Oil stereotype. Qatar runs on Natural Gas, it has the worlds single largest gas field, and the 3rd largest reserves in the world. Other than the energy sector, which is its main revenue, Qatar is making huge investments in health, education and sports with an eye open on the future generations.
Besides, The gas reserves in Qatar will survive 200 years in the future. by then we would have all of Qatar running on solar power, which is slowly being introduced.[QUOTE=Qatar Son 333;56822387]

im not questioning how qatar will have its energy supplied, im talking about the fact that the vast majority of the arabic nations wealth is BECAUSE they have large oil supplies, which supply the REST OF THE WORLD with oil, when they run out and noone visits they are in a deep problem, and i dont want an argument from qatar son 333 saying how qatar will have the worlds most tourists and all the other stuff that he is saying
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I think that the main problem here is that our Qatari friends don't actually realize how big the World Cup actually is. Olympic games might have bigger number of athletes, but when it comes to visiting fans NOTHING compares to World Cup. When i was at Euro 08 in Austria there was 200k Croats there on the match day. We passed trough one village (10km away from "our" base) which was occupied by ~100k Dutch fans. Basically all bigger teams had such numbers with them... Would that be possible in Qatar? No.. its simply too many people on such territory. Even central Euro highways (which are without doubt best in the world) had HUGE trouble with covering that.

World Cup is all about that and i'm afraid that such scenes wouldn't be possible in Qatar. Plastic World Cup is not something we need or want. Especially when there are places like USA or Australia which would make all what makes World Cup great possible.

And if you want to play "first world cup in the Arab world" card, there are far better options. Any random north African country could organize and host it far better.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 01:33 PM   #354
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Old May 13th, 2010, 01:34 PM   #355
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Olympic Games: 1 city, Doha, = possible
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Old May 13th, 2010, 02:03 PM   #356
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Shifting the goalposts now? Largest multi sporting event yes, but not the largest sporting event, which is the FIFA World Cup.
The Olympics have the largest amount of Athletes, not the World Cup.
The Olympics is the Largest Multi-sports event, not the World Cup.
The World Cup has the largest number of fans, and is spread on an entire country while the Olympics are in one city.

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im not questioning how qatar will have its energy supplied, im talking about the fact that the vast majority of the arabic nations wealth is BECAUSE they have large oil supplies, which supply the REST OF THE WORLD with oil, when they run out and noone visits they are in a deep problem, and i dont want an argument from qatar son 333 saying how qatar will have the worlds most tourists and all the other stuff that he is saying
YES, and i just said we have Natural Gas for the next 200 years so we will not run out of money so soon, unlike neighboring countries which depend more on oil rather than gas. Qatar 2030 National Vision aims at Qatar becoming a Knowledge based economy.

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I think that the main problem here is that our Qatari friends don't actually realize how big the World Cup actually is. Olympic games might have bigger number of athletes, but when it comes to visiting fans NOTHING compares to World Cup. When i was at Euro 08 in Austria there was 200k Croats there on the match day. We passed trough one village (10km away from "our" base) which was occupied by ~100k Dutch fans. Basically all bigger teams had such numbers with them... Would that be possible in Qatar? No.. its simply too many people on such territory. Even central Euro highways (which are without doubt best in the world) had HUGE trouble with covering that.

World Cup is all about that and i'm afraid that such scenes wouldn't be possible in Qatar. Plastic World Cup is not something we need or want. Especially when there are places like USA or Australia which would make all what makes World Cup great possible.
Why do you guys believe there will be so many fans anyways ?? being in the middle east and a first for FIFA, not many people would be interested, especially Europeans, because if you always believe that "that" is all what the world cup is all about your mistaking, thats more like a "Euro" than a WC. visiting fans would have to arrange/book accommodation, when all the accommodation is filled up, how on earth fans will the fans decide to come here with no accommodation arranged ? unless there would be some sort of "fan villages" that will be built up to give a boost to number of accommodation.

Many fan zones will be built up but remember this is just to cater and serve the people that will actually come, (We don't want many fans.) In Europe you can expect such fan numbers due to Open borders and such, not here, so the fans will be that much of as problem.

This Edition of the World cup is Family-Oriented, so bye-bye alcoholic drinks, in addition to the priority of fans coming from Neighboring Arab countries instead of Europe and such.
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isiting fans would have to arrange/book accommodation, when all the accommodation is filled up, how on earth fans will the fans decide to come here with no accommodation arranged ?
See.. you are showing ignorance again. That's also one of the great things about the World Cup. People just showing up for the fun and atmosphere. Majority of visiting fans won't even have tickets... and don't underestimate the numbers... Euro and American teams have armies of people traveling with them. If they all made it to Japan i'm pretty sure they'd made it to middle east.


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Many fan zones will be built up but remember this is just to cater and serve the people that will actually come, (We don't want many fans.) In Europe you can expect such fan numbers due to Open borders and such, not here, so the fans will be that much of as problem.
You don't want fans and fans are the problem? Are you serious?

World Cup is meaningless without the fans. Its not just football tournament, its biggest cultural event in the world. Something you guys obviously cannot understand since you come from the country where football isn't big.

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This Edition of the World cup is Family-Oriented, so bye-bye alcoholic drinks, in addition to the priority of fans coming from Neighboring Arab countries instead of Europe and such.
Family oriented? How does that exclude alcohol or anything?

Visiting fans from neighboring countries? You do realize how World Cup ticketing works and who gets the tickets? Majority of tickets goes to teams who play, and ticket owners are in most cases decided by the lottery. There would be barely any left for Qatari people, let alone your neighbors.

I can't believe that you are even thinking of bidding for World Cup with such primitive limitations. Alcohol isn't the point... freedom to chose if you want to drink or not is the point.
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The Olympics have the largest amount of Athletes, not the World Cup.
The Olympics is the Largest Multi-sports event, not the World Cup.
The World Cup has the largest number of fans, and is spread on an entire country while the Olympics are in one city.
I give up, you obviously don't understand the concept.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 02:19 PM   #359
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WC in Qatar is literally impossible. Why don't Qatar and few other Arab countries realise this and make a joint bid so that they can have some realistic chance.
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omg qatar son 333 i do not give a damn about the entire UAE's power supply, i am not mentioning for a second about natural gas, i dont care how many years of natural gas qatar has left.

My question is this, how will qatar support its huge plans if the rest of the world stops buying oil (in the form of petroleum) from qatar when the supply runs out.

This time please dont crap on about 200 years of natural gas for qatar, this is not the right forum for this discussion.
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