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Old June 17th, 2010, 09:42 AM   #861
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plus I can provide you an articles from Australian newspapers talking about Australia low chances against Qatar bid
Well I haven't seen anything in Australian papers talking down our chances against Qatar but they have given Qatar credit where credit is due. Another thing about Australian papers, they are mostly trash and know far less about Stadiums and the FIFA WC and bidding process that the likes of the well informed on this forum, in regards to the the WC they are behind the 8ball. They are also interested in stirring any controversy no matter how little. Australian's love nothing more than to cut themselves down.

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we will distribute all stadiums seats we dont need (170,000) seat to poor countries in Asia & Africa
Sorry to bring this up again because you must be feeling like a broken record but I don't feel the forum has recieved an adequate answer the this issue. We all know Qatar plans to dismantle most venue to half capacity and give the seating to other countries.
What most of us want to know and you so far haven't answered is do you feel that Qatar has a need for 8 very expensive venues of 20 000, one at 84 000 and another at 70 000 post WC?
Qatar doesn't have a high attendance sporting culture, I can't think of a city in the world that has a population the same as what Qatar projects for 2022 justifying 9 soccer specific stadiums (not including the athletics stadium) built to WC quality.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 09:43 AM   #862
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my previous post also answer your question plus Qatar the head of Asia Federation for the second time in a row and if you not know what this mean I can explain it for you and how happen.

plus I can provide you an articles from Australian newspapers talking about Australia low chances against Qatar bid, I do not want to speak about your file but I knew our bid very well and how stronge it is even we didn't win it.
Now lets get some facts straight here.

Firstly, The Qatari AFC President (Bin Hammam), narrowly won last years election, with the support of Australia. Korean and Japan wanted their own guy in, as they were deeply unhappy as to how the AFC was being run. If the AFC President is in any way seen to be favouring Qatar and bad mouthing other Asian bids, his supporter base will be gone and he will be out the door. Its a risky game to play.

Secondly, The Australian press are free to post what they like, unlike many parts of the globe, including, it might be said, Qatar. Australians are generally their own worst critics, so whatever you read might also be biased by other factors. Here the media is controlled by other sporting interests, Like Australian Rules and Rugby League. You can not read into that too much so do not jump up and down about how that is proof.

Our bid has its issues and we are happy to put them out there, in open forums, but we also know how the WC will revolutionise the game here. The fact that it is growing rapidly, we are at our 3rd WC and Football can very easily become the 2nd biggest sport here in the next 10 years gives us hope that this is a bid with a legacy for the game and the region, including Oceania.

The last thing I want to say, is that those are all side issues, and you continue to side step the real issue with is country size and the fact it is a 1 city bid. There is not denying it but somehow its always sidestepped. If you want any credibility in this forum, do not sound like a paid propoganda agent of the bid and give honest and realistic reasonings. Every other country openly discusses the strengths and weaknesses of their own bid and so should you.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #863
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Sorry to bring this up again because you must be feeling like a broken record but I don't feel the forum has recieved an adequate answer the this issue. We all know Qatar plans to dismantle most venue to half capacity and give the seating to other countries.
What most of us want to know and you so far haven't answered is do you feel that Qatar has a need for 8 very expensive venues of 20 000, one at 84 000 and another at 70 000 post WC?
Qatar doesn't have a high attendance sporting culture, I can't think of a city in the world that has a population the same as what Qatar projects for 2022 justifying 9 soccer specific stadiums (not including the athletics stadium) built to WC quality.
yes we need it we have seen many countries have (stadiums) it is ages over 80 years and we have now a revolution in all fields and what you see today's is expensive will be tomorrow cheap price and will be used for next 80 years and not for (worldcup 2022 bid) only we are bidding on other events include (Olympics Games) and there plans for next 30 years to bid in other events and we are not waiting or watching we are planing for stronge future we built one of world largest sport zone to export young genertations in the near future not in football but in all sport fields.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:22 AM   #864
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At least your putting some of the money you got to good use. Except most of it is creating a wonderland that is wasteful and basically useless to the rest of the world...and is just being used by a handful of people for their pride...
Yes I love your elegant streets, but what really annoys me is that all that money is going towards useless things...I would of much rather places like Africa or even India, to have hit black gold...those places need the money to actually feed their citizens...Not create cities just for the rich.
But yeah congrats on being lucky.
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Well we need master planned cities to control unwanted overgrowth, and besides, did you see the GDP per capita for this country ? one of the highest in the world if not "the highest" that explains all the fancy stuff. but it doesn't only benefit Qatar, recently Qatar 2022 bid launched "Generation Amazing" it already had worked in Pakistan, Nepal, Lebanon and Syria by building and renovating football pitches and sending kids to the World Cup this year, after the World Cup, we will have 170,000 seat of modular tiers donated to developing countries in Asia and Africa.

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yes we need it we have seen many countries have (stadiums) it is ages over 80 years and we have now a revolution in all fields and what you see today's is expensive will be tomorrow cheap price and will be used for next 80 years and not for (worldcup 2022 bid) only we are bidding on other events include (Olympics Games) and there plans for next 30 years to bid in other events and we are not waiting or watching we are planing for stronge future we built one of world largest sport zone to export young genertations in the near future not in football but in all sport fields.
Don't forget we are bidding for the Doha 2020 Olympics, if we got it some of the football venues are going to be used for the Olympics.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #865
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There is no point asking questions man, as the only responses back are blinded by nationalism. We have all asked serious questions and are yet to receive any unbiased responses. None of the questions are anti-arab or anti-Qatari but all have serious concerns about the bid. In all reality, for all your cheerleading, the heat issue is not going to be solved by air conditioned outdoor stadiums during daytime conditions, which atleast a couple of games will be played in. Add to that, FIFA has rules about how many stadiums should be located in each city. Doha hasts nearly all of them. FIFA do not want a compact event or else they would be given to one city, not a country.
I don't get my information from the garbage, I get it from a published 90page book about the 2022 Qatar bid and it has been given out everywhere for free in Ministries, Schools, Colleges, Institutions and offices. everyone has one of these books. Here is a question, How do you know that cooling stadiums will not solve the heat issue ??? Why do you think they are building a testing facility for the cooling ? An entire section of a stadium with lower and upper tiers and a pitch to check the difference in temperatures etc, The stadiums will have roofs so the fans will not be exposed to the sunlight, and matches are most likely to be held at the end of the day and at night, similar to the current world cup. Do you think this is a joke ? Why would they publish 90page books and hand them out for free ?
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #866
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Sorry to bring this up again because you must be feeling like a broken record but I don't feel the forum has recieved an adequate answer the this issue. We all know Qatar plans to dismantle most venue to half capacity and give the seating to other countries.
What most of us want to know and you so far haven't answered is do you feel that Qatar has a need for 8 very expensive venues of 20 000, one at 84 000 and another at 70 000 post WC?
Qatar doesn't have a high attendance sporting culture, I can't think of a city in the world that has a population the same as what Qatar projects for 2022 justifying 9 soccer specific stadiums (not including the athletics stadium) built to WC quality.
Well I think that's a major issue too, 'cause if you look closer, FIFA (an UEFA by the way) tend to give events to countries which:
- are a big "fan reservoir" or a big market where soccer is developping fast
- there is real need for a major football country to renovate its stadiums
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #867
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Well we need master planned cities to control unwanted overgrowth, and besides, did you see the GDP per capita for this country ? one of the highest in the world if not "the highest" that explains all the fancy stuff. but it doesn't only benefit Qatar, recently Qatar 2022 bid launched "Generation Amazing" it already had worked in Pakistan, Nepal, Lebanon and Syria by building and renovating football pitches and sending kids to the World Cup this year, after the World Cup, we will have 170,000 seat of modular tiers donated to developing countries in Asia and Africa.



Don't forget we are bidding for the Doha 2020 Olympics, if we got it some of the football venues are going to be used for the Olympics.
Yes, I know you have the second highest GDP.
But in your case its a bit like poor people hitting the jackpot, you don't know what to do with it, and you end up wasting it on pointless things.
From Qatarson, He showed you are helping the rest of the world at least.
Still doesn't justify that you deserve the WC or even the Olympics for that matter...

Congrats for making the stadiums smaller, though, its still a waste...as someone said 8 stadiums in a city with less that 1.7million, PLUS, your not even a sporting country...

That is my main argument and I stick by it, you don't have the population to have a WC...its not logical, and its a waste of money and resources.
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Now lets get some facts straight here.

Firstly, The Qatari AFC President (Bin Hammam), narrowly won last years election, with the support of Australia. Korean and Japan wanted their own guy in, as they were deeply unhappy as to how the AFC was being run. If the AFC President is in any way seen to be favouring Qatar and bad mouthing other Asian bids, his supporter base will be gone and he will be out the door. Its a risky game to play.
well that explain you not know anything about AFC or even Asia and this not strange you are new in our continent Bin Hamam wasn't won by Australia lol and wasn't face Korea or Japan and he won against prince Salman Al-khalifa from Bahrain for secound time in row

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Secondly, The Australian press are free to post what they like, unlike many parts of the globe, including, it might be said, Qatar. Australians are generally their own worst critics, so whatever you read might also be biased by other factors. Here the media is controlled by other sporting interests, Like Australian Rules and Rugby League. You can not read into that too much so do not jump up and down about how that is proof.
Al-Jazeera is one of our media and we practice freedom in our country before you arrive to Australia to occupy native land so stop attack others and your house of glass (Arabic proverb).

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The last thing I want to say, is that those are all side issues, and you continue to side step the real issue with is country size and the fact it is a 1 city bid. There is not denying it but somehow its always sidestepped. If you want any credibility in this forum, do not sound like a paid propoganda agent of the bid and give honest and realistic reasonings. Every other country openly discusses the strengths and weaknesses of their own bid and so should you.
strong and weakens points isn't my case or yours and there officials in charge we are here support our bid and update our topic with latest news related, you like it or not we don't care.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 12:00 PM   #869
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Yes, I know you have the second highest GDP.
But in your case its a bit like poor people hitting the jackpot, you don't know what to do with it, and you end up wasting it on pointless things.
From Qatarson, He showed you are helping the rest of the world at least.
Still doesn't justify that you deserve the WC or even the Olympics for that matter...

Congrats for making the stadiums smaller, though, its still a waste...as someone said 8 stadiums in a city with less that 1.7million, PLUS, your not even a sporting country...

That is my main argument and I stick by it, you don't have the population to have a WC...its not logical, and its a waste of money and resources.
you don't see it logical lol, there Millions of people around world see it is the best file between all files and support it
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Yes, I know you have the second highest GDP.
But in your case its a bit like poor people hitting the jackpot, you don't know what to do with it, and you end up wasting it on pointless things.
From Qatarson, He showed you are helping the rest of the world at least.
Still doesn't justify that you deserve the WC or even the Olympics for that matter...

Congrats for making the stadiums smaller, though, its still a waste...as someone said 8 stadiums in a city with less that 1.7million, PLUS, your not even a sporting country...

That is my main argument and I stick by it, you don't have the population to have a WC...its not logical, and its a waste of money and resources.

Doha West Asian Games 2005 ? Doha Asian Games 2006 ? IHF Super Globe 2010 ? FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2010 ? IAAF World Indoor Championship 2010 ? GCC Olympic Teams Championship 2010 ? Doha Pan Arab Games 2011 ? Qatar Asian Football Cup 2011 ? Doha Asian Indoor/Martial Arts Games 2013 ?

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28 !

If they get 28 wifes and they get 28 children each, then you can fill a stadium of around 20 000.
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well that explain you not know anything about AFC or even Asia and this not strange you are new in our continent Bin Hamam wasn't won by Australia lol and wasn't face Korea or Japan and he won against prince Salman Al-khalifa from Bahrain for secound time in row
You missed the point again of the statement. Read it agsin and understand what it means then respond.

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Al-Jazeera is one of our media and we practice freedom in our country before you arrive to Australia to occupy native land so stop attack others and your house of glass (Arabic proverb).
Did I attack others. I said that media is more controlled in some countries than others. Thats a fact. Qatar and many parts of the Arab world are govt controlled to large parts, so critising the country would not go down well. Ive dealt with your country on numerous levels and have more knowledge on the topic than you would know. Do not just assume you are right and we are all stupid.

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strong and weakens points isn't my case or yours and there officials in charge we are here support our bid and update our topic with latest news related, you like it or not we don't care.
Yeah, but this is a discussion and points are raised and are really not answered. Thats been the ongoing issue. It gives the impression you are part of the govt or bid commitee, paid to try and 'sell' all the positives, and overlook every point why Qatar is not the best fit for the event. I admire your enthiusiasm, but the lack of any reasonable consideration to liten to others really does not go down well.

Having a go at why the USA or Australia do not have high speed rail links, claiming racism if Qatar does not get the WC and every other side issue, when in reality we all know they are deflectionary tactics. Drop the attitude, and get on with the discussion.
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28 !

If they get 28 wifes and they get 28 children each, then you can fill a stadium of around 20 000.
They are sports men you troll.
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If they get 28 wifes and they get 28 children each, then you can fill a stadium of around 20 000.
That was unnecessary. 28 is a start and atleast shows the beginnings of a program in what is a smaller country.
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Having a go at why the USA or Australia do not have high speed rail links, claiming racism if Qatar does not get the WC and every other side issue, when in reality we all know they are deflectionary tactics. Drop the attitude, and get on with the discussion.
See, your the one bringing the topic up again, .

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It gives the impression you are part of the govt or bid commitee, paid to try and 'sell' all the positives
Being in Qatar, trust me, everybody knows everybody, i myself have relatives in Al-Jazeera Sports channel.
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That was unnecessary. 28 is a start and atleast shows the beginnings of a program in what is a smaller country.
Its actually the 3rd batch of graduates since the Academy was launched back in 2006. and as you said, its a start, currently its only for boys but there are plans to build extensions to cater for 600 female students.

Another program is School Olympics Day, it was launched as part of Doha 2016 Olympics bid, and the program is still ongoing.
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Its actually the 3rd batch of graduates since the Academy was launched back in 2006. and as you said, its a start, currently its only for boys but there are plans to build extensions to cater for 600 female students.

Another program is School Olympics Day, it was launched as part of Doha 2016 Olympics bid, and the program is still ongoing.
It is a good idea. It certainly helped Australian sport when we opened a sporting institude in 1981, so give it time and some good results might be forthcoming.
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You missed the point again of the statement. Read it agsin and understand what it means then respond.



Did I attack others. I said that media is more controlled in some countries than others. Thats a fact. Qatar and many parts of the Arab world are govt controlled to large parts, so critising the country would not go down well. Ive dealt with your country on numerous levels and have more knowledge on the topic than you would know. Do not just assume you are right and we are all stupid.



Yeah, but this is a discussion and points are raised and are really not answered. Thats been the ongoing issue. It gives the impression you are part of the govt or bid commitee, paid to try and 'sell' all the positives, and overlook every point why Qatar is not the best fit for the event. I admire your enthiusiasm, but the lack of any reasonable consideration to liten to others really does not go down well.

Having a go at why the USA or Australia do not have high speed rail links, claiming racism if Qatar does not get the WC and every other side issue, when in reality we all know they are deflectionary tactics. Drop the attitude, and get on with the discussion.
Nonsense and non of your business to talk personally about me do you understand ? and we dont care about what you say about our file so stop annoy and parasitism us.
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See, your the one bringing the topic up again, .
I bring it up as a reason to understand why people are frustrated when reading all the responses to their questions. That is the kind of answers we here.

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Being in Qatar, trust me, everybody knows everybody, i myself have relatives in Al-Jazeera Sports channel.
Well its a small place afterall, so I a guessing that it can happen very easily

Al-Jazeera is a decent channel, but really does not focus on Qatari issues to the outside world from all the times I have seen it. If they do, they are positive reports. The reasons for that are open to interpretation.
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Doha West Asian Games 2005 ? Doha Asian Games 2006 ? IHF Super Globe 2010 ? FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2010 ? IAAF World Indoor Championship 2010 ? GCC Olympic Teams Championship 2010 ? Doha Pan Arab Games 2011 ? Qatar Asian Football Cup 2011 ? Doha Asian Indoor/Martial Arts Games 2013 ?
Qatar Son, I think Jacoboy's point about you not being a sporting country is made when comparing Qatar against other countries in the world.

From the above list it's clear that the massive strides your government made in improving sporting infrastructure in your country has paid off for you as a country. However, look at the list again - it's literally 5 years old! It also begs the question, "Who was Qatar competing against when they bid for the above tournaments?" You've got to admit, your countries massive wealth ensures that it gives you healthy advantage over other countries, but if i'm honest there is a gigantic difference between hosting the Asian Football Cup and hosting the actual World Cup.

I think Jacoboy's point is this has all come very recently to you as a country and I personally think you are some way off getting your own sporting teams to international level, particularly the likes of the World Cup etc. Just because you have the money alone to host the World Cup does not mean you will get it by any stretch of the imagination.

If you look at all the other countries who have hosted the World Cup, there is a sense of history behind the vast majority of hosts where teams have either competed at the highest level or, indeed, have won it. South Africa is probably one you can throw back but that is as much for the entire footballing mad continent as it is for SA alone. Japan/Korea is another but look at the benefits that both countries and indeed the region took out of it.

In fairness, if you were to win the bid, I'd have absolutely no doubt you could deliver on it in terms of stadia and infrastructure but I, personally, would find such a decision by FIFA as money overruling any common sense. The idea that the Gulf nations combine to host a World Cup is a far better idea as it sees far more people benefit from one of the Worlds greatest tournaments.

I know you have your own opinion on it, and its great to see so many Qatari's getting so excited about it, but its only my own two cents thrown in to the debate
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