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Old March 23rd, 2009, 03:37 PM   #81
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I don't think Asian Games are the second largest sporting event !!!!!

1 FIFA World Cup
2 Summer Olympic Games
3 IRB Rugby World Cup
4 UEFA Euro
5 Winter Olympic Games
We can add: IAAF World Championships in Athletics, NFL Superbowl, UEFA Champions League Final ....
YES IT IS its the second largest multi-sport event in the world.....
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 04:03 PM   #82
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I think its just a matter of time before the WC ends up in the middle east, most probably a joint bid between the oil states. When that happens, there will not be the alcohol fueled scenes we have witnessed in past tournaments. That doesnt mean there wont be a party, it just means there will be a sober party. I honestly think FIFA is serious about making the cup a truly global event, and the arab/muslim/middle eastern world will get its turn. The rest of us will have to give up drinking to respect their customs when that happens.

But for now, disregarding everything else, there is one problem which makes the Qatar bid impossible -

FIFA will want all the stadiums filled, so that means it will want around 3 million spectators. Along with the ones who get tickets, there will be the ones that dont, so I think you could expect around 4 million visitors.

Where are these people going to sleep while they are in Qatar??? 2 foreigners will bunk down with each Qatari?
Sure qatar could build hotels, but who is going to staff them? And what a complete waste of money to build accommodation for 4 million which will sit completely empty in the future.
Qatar doesnt have the logistics to feed an extra 4 million people for a whole month.

Put simply, its too small. No amount of money can change that. I think they will require a joint bid if they want to host in the future.
Is it me or did you completely miss the pictures of NDIA that i posted ? when the airport opens (2011) it will be able to handle 50 million passengers, 2 million tonnes of cargo and 320,000 aircraft landings and take offs per year.......

By 2016 the population will be 2,400,000 and 3,000,000+ by 2022

Hotels are bieng built anyways (tourism is increasing in the country, as a proof... there are 2 companys for sea transport that signed a deal to have Doha as a permanent destinition in its world our, they are German companies)

Temporary housing could be built (they could be used later as residential units etc etc)
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 04:21 PM   #83
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1. What will happen to all these stadiums after the WC has gone?

2. You rather skirted over woozoo's point about hotels merely saying there are some being built. Are we really talking about the quantity needed?

I still can't shake the feeling that this is a brilliant PR move from Qatar to get some worldwide exposure over the next year and a half.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:40 PM   #84
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we have a Qatari league, the Emirs Cup and the Hier Apperent's Cup, international matches and occasionally the Gulf cup.... (AFC Asian Cup Qatar 2011 is going to use most of the current stadiums + the wall stadium)

what ? the who is going to staff them question ? well, obviously employees !!
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:43 PM   #85
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And the average attendence in this league is??
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:53 PM   #86
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That's making fun isn't it! If nothing to say, then don't because it spoils the thread.
What gave it away?
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:44 PM   #87
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And the average attendence in this league is??
in a match or in all the matches together ???

in a regular match 3,000-5,000 spectators... when its a big match (big teams) it could rise to 10,000.....
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in a match or in all the matches together ???

in a regular match 3,000-5,000 spectators... when its a big match (big teams) it could rise to 10,000.....
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For ONLY QATARIS that are intrested in football, trust me thats more than enough !! we Qataris are only 700,000..... and i forgot to mention that since its only Qataris i didnt add the Kuwait's and Saudi's that come for the match too..
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in a match or in all the matches together ???

in a regular match 3,000-5,000 spectators... when its a big match (big teams) it could rise to 10,000.....
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For ONLY QATARIS that are intrested in football, trust me thats more than enough !!
Then why bother building 8 or 9 45,000+ seat stadiums?

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Old March 23rd, 2009, 11:57 PM   #91
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Then why bother building 8 or 9 45,000+ seat stadiums?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:28 AM   #92
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what ? the who is going to staff them question ? well, obviously employees !!
Ok, international visitors to Qatar is expected to be 1.4 million in 2010. Even if that triples by 2022, you would have 4.2 million international visitors per year. Thats a similar amount to the total visitors expected for one month. This amount of excess visitors places a massive amount of strain on infrastructure. We're not talking about 4 million coming to a country like Netherlands with a population of 16 mil, and already used to a massive amount of visitors.

Where are the staff going to come from? Ok, temporary workers from Bangladesh, but where are they going to live? Ok, temporary accommodation.
You would be trippling the population of Qatar over the month. The logistics of getting food from the airport/port to warehouses, onto trucks and into stores and restaurants is huge. You would need a massive temporary upgrade in trucks, warehouse space, warehouse workers, shop staf etc etc etc. Its ALL very temporary. One month temporary in fact.
Billions of dollars spent on temporary stadiums which will not be used post WC.
Billions of dollars on hotels which will sit empty post WC.
Billions of dollars logistics not needed post WC.

Even if all this were possible, I cant see FIFA agreeing to such a plastic event.

Like I said, a joint bid in the future will probably be the go.
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1 or 1.5 million people came for the world youth day in Sydney a year ago.

The city has a population of 4.5 million. The visitors entered and exited the country through various airports around the country, over the space of teo weeks, and many (hundreds of thousand) slept in tents in a massive park in the city.

Sydney receives 7.6 million domestic and 2.7 million international visitors each year.

And for the youth day, the city was at its maximum. We had international visitors staying in Melbourne and traveling up just for the day to put less strain on Sydney. And the amount of visitors was a third of the population, and one tenth of annual visitors.
I dont think you comprehend the strain that such an amount of people put on services.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:46 AM   #94
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1 or 1.5 million people came for the world youth day in Sydney a year ago.

The city has a population of 4.5 million. The visitors entered and exited the country through various airports around the country, over the space of teo weeks, and many (hundreds of thousand) slept in tents in a massive park in the city.

Sydney receives 7.6 million domestic and 2.7 million international visitors each year.

And for the youth day, the city was at its maximum. We had international visitors staying in Melbourne and traveling up just for the day to put less strain on Sydney. And the amount of visitors was a third of the population, and one tenth of annual visitors.
I dont think you comprehend the strain that such an amount of people put on services.
It was the same in Paris for the World Youth Day in 1997 (1M visitors in 1 week), even during world cups (football and rugby) while Paris (11,2 M inhabitants) is the first touristic destination in the World and very well equipped in hotels, services and facilities !!!

France (63 M inhabitants): 82 M Visitors/year, Paris: 48 M visitors (44% for business)
Paris: 154.745 Hotel rooms (by comparison 77.000 in New York City) In 2,508 hotels (81.000 Jobs in Hotel business)
Paris Airports: 90 M passengers/Year

I Think Qatar bid for FIFA world cup can't be taken seriously, you must have at least 10M or 15M inhabitants for "absorbing" a such big event !!
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Qatar submitted a bid for the Olympics 2016, and its technical grade was better than Rio de Janeiro. Even if you don't personally believe in this bid, which I understand, it has to be taken seriously. It has been taken seriously by the IOC and will be even more by FIFA with which Qatar has closer ties.
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I Think Qatar bid for FIFA world cup can't be taken seriously, you must have at least 10M or 15M inhabitants for "absorbing" a such big event !!
Pretty sure it won't be taken too seriously. Sorry Qataris, but you've got zero chance of hosting either of the 2018 or 2022 World Cups.
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Qatar submitted a bid for the Olympics 2016, and its technical grade was better than Rio de Janeiro. Even if you don't personally believe in this bid, which I understand, it has to be taken seriously. It has been taken seriously by the IOC and will be even more by FIFA with which Qatar has closer ties.
Hosting an Olympics would be difficult in Qatar but possible as it is an event based around one city.

A world cup requires 8 or 9 cities each with a 45,000+ seat stadium, hotels, transport infrastructure, entertainment, policing etc. etc.

An Olympics places enormous pressure on one city, a world cup places a large amount of pressure on several. Greece, for example, could host an Olympics because it's a very centralised nation with one world-class city; it would, though, have real problems with a world cup.

Qatar is centralised to a much, much larger extent than Greece with 90% of the citizens living in one city! This is why Doha could host an Olympics (as the IOC recognised to an extent), but Qatar could never really pull off a world cup.

I'm sorry, but your comparison is not valid at all. They are completely different events with completely different requirements. Just because a city can host an Olympics, it doesn't mean the country it's in can host a world cup.
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Please, lets be serious now.
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Ok, international visitors to Qatar is expected to be 1.4 million in 2010. Even if that triples by 2022, you would have 4.2 million international visitors per year. Thats a similar amount to the total visitors expected for one month. This amount of excess visitors places a massive amount of strain on infrastructure. We're not talking about 4 million coming to a country like Netherlands with a population of 16 mil, and already used to a massive amount of visitors.

Where are the staff going to come from? Ok, temporary workers from Bangladesh, but where are they going to live? Ok, temporary accommodation.
You would be trippling the population of Qatar over the month. The logistics of getting food from the airport/port to warehouses, onto trucks and into stores and restaurants is huge. You would need a massive temporary upgrade in trucks, warehouse space, warehouse workers, shop staf etc etc etc. Its ALL very temporary. One month temporary in fact.
Billions of dollars spent on temporary stadiums which will not be used post WC.
Billions of dollars on hotels which will sit empty post WC.
Billions of dollars logistics not needed post WC.

Even if all this were possible, I cant see FIFA agreeing to such a plastic event.

Like I said, a joint bid in the future will probably be the go.
Infrustructure is going on great, its called Qatar Transport Masterplan 2020, public transport is growing at a pace, more bus routes and bus stops are being opened, and Taxis are available all over Qatar.
Qatar Railways is approved and soon to start construction, involves Doha Metro and rail lines covering all of Qatar and connecting furthur to the GCC Rail project to connect all of the gulf.

Temporary accommodation could be used again.... like the temporary accommodation used for the 2006 Asian Games, its now being turned into a hospital and a nurses residence complex (opening 2011), ships could be used for accommodation too, its comforting and temporary, it could later be used to touristic purposes.

Temporary upgrade in trucks, trucks are already being upgraded, the worlds largest truck park opened earlier this year part of "Barwa Al-Baraha" AKA workers city, the truck park could hold 4000+ trucks at a time.

Who said the stadiums are temporary ? the stadium expansions will be permanent, and they will be used after the world cup definatley.

Tourism is rising very fast here so yeah the hotels your talking about will be in full capacity after the world cup.

Logistics are definatley needed, and more !!
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Who said the stadiums are temporary ? the stadium expansions will be permanent, and they will be used after the world cup definatley.
So...how will a league which attracts between 3000-5000 on average and pulls in 10000 for the big matches deal with 8 or 9 45,000+ seater stadiums?
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