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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #1061
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Why was the Australian thread until recently in the second page.... I would suggest you update the Australian thread instead of lurking around here....

And since when did The World Cup relate to Arabia's history of slavery ?? and racism ??South Africa that just recently came out of apartheid (and still suffering from it in some areas) is hosting the 2010 FIFA World Cup as we speak...

I Expect this post by Mo in the Australia 2022 World Cup Bid thread to be applied here as well.
It has been updated today. We do not post recycled news as new news. Once things do come out or someone has something to discuss, it is updated. There has been critisism, pros and cons raised and general discussion on an ongoing basis.

If you read my posts I agree that any references to race is unjustified and irrelevant and purely rude. Most comments about those topics have been factually wrong anyway. The other topics relating to the bid are open to discussion though.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #1062
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Thanks for the information.

These in Australian or US terms are still within the realms of being in the Greater metro region, meaning they are satelites or suburban dependancies of the main city.

I know this may not be clear as to why people point it out, but having such a compact WC is really not a great thing in a WC. The pure pressure put on infrastructure requires a greater spread to accomdate such huge numbers. I do not think that most realise just how hard it is until they get the event and the experiences of the past show that Qatars pure size is not something that should be a pro, it is more of a con unfortunately.
all hosting countries will be chosen by Fifa members and they will visit Qatar next September and of course they will vote 2nd of december so we can wait and see what will happen
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #1063
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Thanks for the information.

These in Australian or US terms are still within the realms of being in the Greater metro region, meaning they are satelites or suburban dependancies of the main city.

I know this may not be clear as to why people point it out, but having such a compact WC is really not a great thing in a WC. The pure pressure put on infrastructure requires a greater spread to accomdate such huge numbers. I do not think that most realise just how hard it is until they get the event and the experiences of the past show that Qatars pure size is not something that should be a pro, it is more of a con unfortunately.
Can 200,000 people be declared a city? Aren't these cities just large suburbs?

If they were substantial cities with reasonable populations, then mabye, but all of these "sub-cities" are even smaller than Polokwane or Nelspruit, the "smaller" cities of the 2010 WC.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:30 AM   #1064
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This did not come from vacuum this came from long years of work & planning especially when some say ( Qatar is tiny country) this is count to our side and make us proud of the PR position we have in the world and we are not frustrated, as other do and you see we did not go to others, others come to our topic
Yes you should be proud of that fact, no one is denying it, but there are many things that you should be willing to listen to and logically look at how Qatar would host the biggest event on this planet?

Talking the talk and walking the walk are 2 different things. Actions speak much louder thank words
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #1065
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Can 200,000 people be declared a city? Aren't these cities just large suburbs?

If they were substantial cities with reasonable populations, then mabye, but all of these "sub-cities" are even smaller than Polokwane or Nelspruit, the "smaller" cities of the 2010 WC.
I agree with you, but we need to look at what in Qatar terms is defined as a city. It must be a different thing. One mans suburb is another mans city
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #1066
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It has been updated today. We do not post recycled news as new news. Once things do come out or someone has something to discuss, it is updated. There has been critisism, pros and cons raised and general discussion on an ongoing basis.

If you read my posts I agree that any references to race is unjustified and irrelevant and purely rude. Most comments about those topics have been factually wrong anyway. The other topics relating to the bid are open to discussion though.
There's nothing new or useful there are a lot of people repeat their posts, although it answered and even he didn't read Qatar file, just they purpose of stirring up problems and confusion, such as these people we do not really care about them and they insult themselves only
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #1067
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I agree with you, but we need to look at what in Qatar terms is defined as a city. It must be a different thing. One mans suburb is another mans city
There are many projects being built, i know of some such as Barwa city (25,000 residents), Lusail city (200,000 residents) and Urjuan city (100,000 residents)...
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #1068
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Words are not words anymore...

Work starts on Doha Metro’s first station

The first section of the Metro runs from the Lusail project to the New Doha International Airport.



Construction has started on the first underground metro station, which will be the terminus for the future Doha Metro line, a source said yesterday.
The New Doha International Airport (NDIA) Terminal Metro Station is designed by Mott MacDonald, a global management, engineering and development consultancy.
The Metro line is to provide the rail link between Doha city and the NDIA main terminal.
Mott MacDonald was commissioned in 2008 by Qatar (represented by the NDIA Steering Committee), to develop designs for the metro connection from the New Doha International Airport to the wider Doha network.
The project included developing a metro system based on conservative parameters and space proofing of 1.3km single track twin-bored tunnels and a 305m-long by 25m-wide and 20m-deep “cut and cover” underground station.
During the preliminary design of the station box, Mott MacDonald’s team developed plans and designs, with support from sub-consultants Aedas, taking into consideration future requirements of the metro rail systems, passenger experience and safety aspects, station operations and associated facilities for the future station fit-out. This also covered engineering disciplines of rail alignment and systems, fire safety, civil and structural, electrical and mechanical engineering as well as station architecture.
Mert Yesugey, Mott MacDonald’s project manager, said: “Mott MacDonald developed the detailed design of the fully space-proofed structural shell of the station box to a tight schedule for the substantial completion of the structure ahead of the airport opening, including sectional handover of the ground level to others for completion of the above ground infrastructure in time for the airport opening in 2011.
“The provisions for the station box also included temporary electrical and mechanical systems to facilitate the maintenance, inspection and security of the station box during the interim stage until the station becomes fully operational. We are currently providing construction support services to NDIA on site until the completion of the station box construction anticipated in 2011.”
According to initial plans, the first section of the Metro runs 30km from the under-construction Lusail megaproject to the New Doha International Airport. Four further sections run a total of 55km.
“The Doha Metro rail will provide an effective solution to the city’s growing traffic problems,” a senior official of the Invensys Rail (Mena region) has said.
Speaking at a recent conference in Doha, Ala Ghanem, regional director of Invensys Rail, said the successful introduction of a metro service in Dubai and plans to develop similar facilities in other GCC states had proved the need for an efficient and effective public transport network in the entire region, including in Qatar.
“Even though the Doha Metro project’s costs will be enormous, its benefits will be numerous,” he said.
Ghanem estimated the project’s cost at about $7bn, at the current level.
Source: gulf-times.com
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #1069
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Yes you should be proud of that fact, no one is denying it, but there are many things that you should be willing to listen to and logically look at how Qatar would host the biggest event on this planet?

Talking the talk and walking the walk are 2 different things. Actions speak much louder thank words
we always moving forward and we see it is come time to Middle East to host the world cup and Qatar can do it.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #1070
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Can 200,000 people be declared a city? Aren't these cities just large suburbs?

If they were substantial cities with reasonable populations, then mabye, but all of these "sub-cities" are even smaller than Polokwane or Nelspruit, the "smaller" cities of the 2010 WC.
yes even 25,000 population can be a country and have army and part of UN and member in Fifa and have all rights like any large country and stop repat same point bring some thing new or you just stacked with this point
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #1071
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Words are not words anymore...

Work starts on Doha Metro’s first station

The first section of the Metro runs from the Lusail project to the New Doha International Airport.



Construction has started on the first underground metro station, which will be the terminus for the future Doha Metro line, a source said yesterday.
The New Doha International Airport (NDIA) Terminal Metro Station is designed by Mott MacDonald, a global management, engineering and development consultancy.
The Metro line is to provide the rail link between Doha city and the NDIA main terminal.
Mott MacDonald was commissioned in 2008 by Qatar (represented by the NDIA Steering Committee), to develop designs for the metro connection from the New Doha International Airport to the wider Doha network.
The project included developing a metro system based on conservative parameters and space proofing of 1.3km single track twin-bored tunnels and a 305m-long by 25m-wide and 20m-deep “cut and cover” underground station.
During the preliminary design of the station box, Mott MacDonald’s team developed plans and designs, with support from sub-consultants Aedas, taking into consideration future requirements of the metro rail systems, passenger experience and safety aspects, station operations and associated facilities for the future station fit-out. This also covered engineering disciplines of rail alignment and systems, fire safety, civil and structural, electrical and mechanical engineering as well as station architecture.
Mert Yesugey, Mott MacDonald’s project manager, said: “Mott MacDonald developed the detailed design of the fully space-proofed structural shell of the station box to a tight schedule for the substantial completion of the structure ahead of the airport opening, including sectional handover of the ground level to others for completion of the above ground infrastructure in time for the airport opening in 2011.
“The provisions for the station box also included temporary electrical and mechanical systems to facilitate the maintenance, inspection and security of the station box during the interim stage until the station becomes fully operational. We are currently providing construction support services to NDIA on site until the completion of the station box construction anticipated in 2011.”
According to initial plans, the first section of the Metro runs 30km from the under-construction Lusail megaproject to the New Doha International Airport. Four further sections run a total of 55km.
“The Doha Metro rail will provide an effective solution to the city’s growing traffic problems,” a senior official of the Invensys Rail (Mena region) has said.
Speaking at a recent conference in Doha, Ala Ghanem, regional director of Invensys Rail, said the successful introduction of a metro service in Dubai and plans to develop similar facilities in other GCC states had proved the need for an efficient and effective public transport network in the entire region, including in Qatar.
“Even though the Doha Metro project’s costs will be enormous, its benefits will be numerous,” he said.
Ghanem estimated the project’s cost at about $7bn, at the current level.
Source: gulf-times.com
The Doha Olympic bid will be even stronger for the 2020 bid.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #1072
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Words are not words anymore...

Work starts on Doha Metro’s first station

The first section of the Metro runs from the Lusail project to the New Doha International Airport.



Construction has started on the first underground metro station, which will be the terminus for the future Doha Metro line, a source said yesterday.
The New Doha International Airport (NDIA) Terminal Metro Station is designed by Mott MacDonald, a global management, engineering and development consultancy.
The Metro line is to provide the rail link between Doha city and the NDIA main terminal.
Mott MacDonald was commissioned in 2008 by Qatar (represented by the NDIA Steering Committee), to develop designs for the metro connection from the New Doha International Airport to the wider Doha network.
The project included developing a metro system based on conservative parameters and space proofing of 1.3km single track twin-bored tunnels and a 305m-long by 25m-wide and 20m-deep “cut and cover” underground station.
During the preliminary design of the station box, Mott MacDonald’s team developed plans and designs, with support from sub-consultants Aedas, taking into consideration future requirements of the metro rail systems, passenger experience and safety aspects, station operations and associated facilities for the future station fit-out. This also covered engineering disciplines of rail alignment and systems, fire safety, civil and structural, electrical and mechanical engineering as well as station architecture.
Mert Yesugey, Mott MacDonald’s project manager, said: “Mott MacDonald developed the detailed design of the fully space-proofed structural shell of the station box to a tight schedule for the substantial completion of the structure ahead of the airport opening, including sectional handover of the ground level to others for completion of the above ground infrastructure in time for the airport opening in 2011.
“The provisions for the station box also included temporary electrical and mechanical systems to facilitate the maintenance, inspection and security of the station box during the interim stage until the station becomes fully operational. We are currently providing construction support services to NDIA on site until the completion of the station box construction anticipated in 2011.”
According to initial plans, the first section of the Metro runs 30km from the under-construction Lusail megaproject to the New Doha International Airport. Four further sections run a total of 55km.
“The Doha Metro rail will provide an effective solution to the city’s growing traffic problems,” a senior official of the Invensys Rail (Mena region) has said.
Speaking at a recent conference in Doha, Ala Ghanem, regional director of Invensys Rail, said the successful introduction of a metro service in Dubai and plans to develop similar facilities in other GCC states had proved the need for an efficient and effective public transport network in the entire region, including in Qatar.
“Even though the Doha Metro project’s costs will be enormous, its benefits will be numerous,” he said.
Ghanem estimated the project’s cost at about $7bn, at the current level.
Source: gulf-times.com
Its a great project I must say. Another great DB project

The main point can be raised though that this is only a thing that other competing countries already have. Substantial transit services already exist in US, Australia, Korea and Japan, so this is filling in a glaring gap in infrastructure.

The more infrastructure that is required to be built, the more risks.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:56 AM   #1073
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Mecca city is 1500KM far away from Doha and Mecca population is 1.7 million these days and in past was much less than this number and Mecca doesnt have international Airport and dont have metro or rail network (there one planned in future) and with these data mecca host 3.5 million visitors from all world countries at same time for one week every year in event called (Haj) and it is much larger world cup and these 3.5 million person stay and live in (5 KM) area plus to this things mecca is receive throughout the year millions of visitors in the other seasons include Ramadan days which some times reach 15 million person and mecca weather is much hoter than Doha always around 48c and some time over 50c and it is just example show that one city can handel any event in the world.

people come to mecca from jeddah city international airport it is around 80 km from mecca.

and of cousre Qatar as country with larger cities have Infrastructure is much greater than the Mecca city.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:00 PM   #1074
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Its a great project I must say. Another great DB project

The main point can be raised though that this is only a thing that other competing countries already have. Substantial transit services already exist in US, Australia, Korea and Japan, so this is filling in a glaring gap in infrastructure.

The more infrastructure that is required to be built, the more risks.
But its not built "only" for the 2020 Olympic Bid and the 2022 World Cup, the New Doha International Airport ?(for example) started construction at around 2005 and is going to open in 18, December, 2011 (National Day)... yes it will serve the bids, but it wasn't built just for them...

Qatar Railways is also part of Qatar National Vision 2030, some parts where extended a bit when the Qatar 2022 World cup bid was announced.

Wakrah and Al-Khor stadiums will be built regardless of the decision in 2nd of December because they are part of their city's masterplan. just that the modular sections will not be built...
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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #1075
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Mecca city is 1500KM far away from Doha and Mecca population is 1.7 million these days and in past was much less than this number and Mecca doesnt have international Airport and dont have metro or rail network (there one planned in future) and with these data mecca host 3.5 million visitors from all world countries at same time for one week every year in event called (Hajj) and it is much larger world cup and these 3.5 million person stay and live in (5 KM) area plus to this things mecca is receive throughout the year millions of visitors in the other seasons include Ramadan days which some times reach 15 million person and mecca weather is much hoter than Doha always around 48c and some time over 50c and it is just example show that one city can handle any event in the world.

people come to mecca from jeddah city international airport it is around 80 km from mecca.

and of course Qatar as country with larger cities have Infrastructure is much greater than the Mecca city.
yes and these 3.5 Millions all collect at the same point 5 times a day incredible, but the amazing thing is that it works !! not to mention that Mecca is a mountainous areas and the main mosque is in a "tight" valley.

This also explains my reference to using Bahrain international, Dubai International, Dubai World Central, Abudhabi International and Dammam International airports as "alternatives" in case (for example) all direct flights to Doha are booked, the region around Doha would slightly benefit from the World Cup in Qatar. Mainly Bahrain would benefit, its the nearest airport and it serves as "alternative" accommodation.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:18 PM   #1076
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So when the population reaches 3million + is there going to be no tax and are the other things still going to be free?
If Qatar grew a concience and actually payed the labourers their promised rates then one would think that taxing the population might have to come into effect but as a positive Qatar would have taken a giant leap into no longer be strickly identified as having a rigid classist structure which is institutionally racist. Sure the projects would slow remarkably but the legacy would be far richer to the nations conciousness than the current involuntary servitude or boned labour which is morally bankrupt. There is a saying "Slave labour, you get what you paid for".

The sad thing is I don't think anyone here believes that FIFA wouldn't go to Qatar on moral or ethical grounds and don't the Qatari's know it.
Indeed to all.

If FIFA had any moral fiber they wouldn't touch such a bid with a ten foot poll knowing that a first would economy would employ third world labor standards to pull off FIFA's tournament.
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But its not built "only" for the 2020 Olympic Bid and the 2022 World Cup, the New Doha International Airport ?(for example) started construction at around 2005 and is going to open in 18, December, 2011 (National Day)... yes it will serve the bids, but it wasn't built just for them...

Qatar Railways is also part of Qatar National Vision 2030, some parts where extended a bit when the Qatar 2022 World cup bid was announced.

Wakrah and Al-Khor stadiums will be built regardless of the decision in 2nd of December because they are part of their city's masterplan. just that the modular sections will not be built...
Its great to see Qatar developing such necessary infrastructure. It is all certainly a huge plan. I have seen many Qatari projects that are planned and they look very promising.

Never said it was being built just for the events, but its all a risk when any event planning is considered. Building all the stadiums, transport and accomodation are not easy tasks.
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yes and these 3.5 Millions all collect at the same point 5 times a day incredible, but the amazing thing is that it works !! not to mention that Mecca is a mountainous areas and the main mosque is in a "tight" valley.

This also explains my reference to using Bahrain international, Dubai International, Dubai World Central, Abudhabi International and Dammam International airports as "alternatives" in case (for example) all direct flights to Doha are booked, the region around Doha would slightly benefit from the World Cup in Qatar. Mainly Bahrain would benefit, its the nearest airport and it serves as "alternative" accommodation.
Dubai has the largest world airport which taked the 1st place after king khalid airport in Saudi but our new airport can handel 50 million easily plus we have longest causeway in the world and new gate for million of visitors.
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Yes but he Hajj is a spiritual pilgimage where simplicity, modesty and purity in poverty is apart of the experience. I seriously doubt hundreds of thousand of Soccer fans are looking for the same experience like staying in a massive tent city.
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Indeed to all.

If FIFA had any moral fiber they wouldn't touch such a bid with a ten foot poll knowing that a first would economy would employ third world labor standards to pull off FIFA's tournament.
we are doing projects in the 2012 Olympic do you think Qatar allowed to do projects in London Olympic games or it is consider crime of your view :P
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