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Old July 3rd, 2010, 06:01 AM   #1161
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 06:52 AM   #1162
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 08:43 AM   #1163
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Living in Qatar for more than 9 months, I think I can make some comments about Qatar's World Cup Bid.

1) First of all, as it is stated here many times, Qatar is a small country. Even Doha, only real city in the state, is a medium size city when you compare to other big cities in the world and even in the region. Other cities like Wakra, Umm Said, Al Khor can be rather named towns than cities.

2) Qatar needs to develop in the matter of entertainment and social life. Even Doha is boring after some time. People will visit Qatar for fun. What will these tourists do before/after the matches?

3) A question mark for many people: alcohol. However, I'm optimistic about this. I think this will be solved by 2022.

4) Economy: Qatar's economy is in the top of all lists and Qatar can easily handle all these projects.

5) Multicultural Environment is a big plus for Qatar. Even today, most countries have their supporters ready in Qatar as the country welcomes expats from all over the world.

Qatar is capable to organize such an organization. But is the country ready for this organization?

I think it would be more attractive and favorable if a G.C.C. (except Saudi Arabia) bid existed.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:31 AM   #1164
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Qatar is a small country Even Doha, only real city in the state, is a medium size city


check the minute 1.37 I think he was living in Doha that year (1937) lol



Qatar local League



2010 AFC Champions League ( Quarter-finals )
there only 4 teams 3 from South.korea 1 from Saudi, 1 from Qatar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_AFC_Champions_League

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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:58 AM   #1165
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Living in Qatar for more than 9 months, I think I can make some comments about Qatar's World Cup Bid.

1) First of all, as it is stated here many times, Qatar is a small country. Even Doha, only real city in the state, is a medium size city when you compare to other big cities in the world and even in the region. Other cities like Wakra, Umm Said, Al Khor can be rather named towns than cities.

2) Qatar needs to develop in the matter of entertainment and social life. Even Doha is boring after some time. People will visit Qatar for fun. What will these tourists do before/after the matches?

3) A question mark for many people: alcohol. However, I'm optimistic about this. I think this will be solved by 2022.

4) Economy: Qatar's economy is in the top of all lists and Qatar can easily handle all these projects.

5) Multicultural Environment is a big plus for Qatar. Even today, most countries have their supporters ready in Qatar as the country welcomes expats from all over the world.

Qatar is capable to organize such an organization. But is the country ready for this organization?

I think it would be more attractive and favorable if a G.C.C. (except Saudi Arabia) bid existed.
The entertainment is slowly increased, building museums to boost culture is one this, the New Qatar National Museum is under construction with a new Museum of Modern Arab Art soon to start as well. The Museum of Islamic Art is already an icon for the country. The new Qatar Entertainment City in under construction, there is Souq Waqif which is a traditional souq found near the heart of Doha, other activities would be going to shopping malls with over 10 under construction at the moment and going to heritage spots not to mention Dune Bashing.
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and there was the question about how could Qatar organize the event ? I think thats one of the "easy" aspect of the bid, check this handy list out, this is the Hosting experience that Qatar/Doha had.

Gulf Cup of Nations 1976 (8 teams)
AFC U-17/16 Championship 1985, 1986, 1994 & 1998 (16 Teams)
AFC Youth Championship 1988
AFC Asian Cup 1988 (10 Teams)
FIFA World Youth Championship 1995 (16 Teams)


Asian Men's Volleyball Championship 1997 (17 Teams)
ABC Under-20 Championship 2000 (14 Teams)
AFC Youth Championship 2002 (12 Teams)
Asian Men's Handball Championship 2004 (9 Teams)
World Team Table Tennis Championships 2004


Gulf Cup of Nations 2004 (8 teams)


Asian Junior Men's Volleyball Championship 2004 (16 Teams)


World Weightlifting Championships 2005
FIBA Asia Championship 2005 (16 Teams)
Men's Youth World Handball Championship 2005 (10 Teams)


West Asian Games 2005 (13 Nations, 1200 Athletes, 11 Sports)


Asian Games 2006 (45 Nations, 13000 Athletes, 39 Sports)


Asian Indoor Athletics Championships 2008 (29 Nations)


FIVB Men's Club World Volleyball Championship 2009 (8 Teams)


IAAF Indoor Championships 2010 (146 Nations, 585 Athletes)


FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2010 (10 Teams)


IHF Super Globe (2002 & 2010)


World 9-Ball Championship 2010



And in the near future :

AFC Asian Cup 2011 (16 Teams)


Pan Arab Games 2011 (22 Nations)


Asian Indoor & Martial Arts 2013


Also Bidding for:

2011 FIBA World Club Championship

2020 Summer Olympics

2022 FIFA World Cup


, btw there are many things also missing from this list, like the Qatar ExxonMobil open (1993-present), Qatar Total Open (2001-2008), WTA Tour Championships (2008-2010), Tour of Qatar (2002-present), Qatar Masters (1998-present), Qatar Motorcycle Grand Prix (2004-present) and more....

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Old July 11th, 2010, 04:10 PM   #1166
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By the way....

Qatar population more than doubles since 2004 - census

The population of Qatar has more than doubled from 744,029 in 2004 to 1,696,563 this year, according to the preliminary results of the country's 2010 Census.

Results showed that 76 percent of the population were male and just 24 percent female.

It said the increase was due to the accelerated economic growth the country has witnessed in various sectors.

Buildings have increased by 50 percent from 99,217 in 2004 to 148,532 in 2010, with residential houses numbering 254,309 - an increase of 102 percent over the 2004 figure, Qatar Tribune reported on Thursday, citing the results.

The number of apartments rose by 146 percent to a total of 92,901 and studios by 243 percent to 10,415, the paper added.

The final results are scheduled to be released by October 20 to coincide by the International Day of Statistics.

The preliminary report also showed there would soon be more buildings in Rayyan than in Doha, as construction activity continues to move towards the fringes of the capital.

The 2010 Census was conducted by Qatar Statistics Authority (QSA) from April to June.

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What ever man, i still think the population development here is too fast, this is why things need to be master planned carefully. look at these numbers !! every couple of year the population doubles !

1950 47.000
1960 59.000
1970 111.000
1978 201.000
1986 369.000
1996 658.000
2004 744.000
2005 863.051
2008 928.635
2010 1.696.563
How many expected in 2018 and 2022 ?

How many cities up 50 000 ?
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Old July 11th, 2010, 04:55 PM   #1167
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Has a list been posted of the current population of each of the host cities?
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Old July 11th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #1168
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Qatar 2022 bid stadium
Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

Germany 2006.. 12 stadium
S.Africa 2010... 11 stadium
Brazil 2014...... 12 stadium

Qatar 2022 plan 6 stadium This not good enough
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:32 AM   #1169
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Qatar 2022 bid stadium
Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

Germany 2006.. 12 stadium
S.Africa 2010... 11 stadium
Brazil 2014...... 12 stadium

Qatar 2022 plan 6 stadium This not good enough
I have wondered about that myself. At first I thought (and they may still) reveal another 4 / 5 stadiums closer to December but every other bid book for 2018 and 2022 have shown a complete composition of venues, why wouldn't Qatar have doen the same. Most of us have had a hard time getting our head around such a small country needing 10 / 12 World Cup quality stadia to fulfill their needs and "national vision" for the future.
Maybe its really only the 6 venues presented so far with 4 of them being scaled back. This number is more than suitable for their Summer Olympic Games bid and far more realistic to the needs of a tiny yet growing country.
So one 70 000 Athletics stadium and five 20 000 seaters, though they have talked about an 80 000 seat soccer specific national stadium.

It obviously just comes down to FIFA and to if they want their tournaments altered to such a drastic degree but that is what Qatar is promoting already so why would they keep to all our assumed requirments in regards to the Stadiums. This bid is all about breaking the mold and opening the door for bids from countries that could never support the traditional World Cup format. We will soon see how FIFA respond to such a proposition.

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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:38 AM   #1170
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Its not a 6 stadium bid. The bid has more stadiums that are going to be announced.

Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

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Lusail National 86,000
Doha Port
Education city complex
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #1171
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Qatar 2022 bid stadium
Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

France '98 (first WC with 32 teams)..10 stadiums
Korea/Japan 2002...........................20 stadiums

Germany 2006..................................12 stadiums
S.Africa 2010...................................10 stadiums
Brazil 2014......................................12 stadiums

Qatar 2022 plan 6 stadium This not good enough
Corrected and completed for you !
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:51 AM   #1172
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@Qatar Son 333
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oh i see and sorry for me being ignorant
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Old July 12th, 2010, 08:41 AM   #1173
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Its not a 6 stadium bid. The bid has more stadiums that are going to be announced.

Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

+

Lusail National 86,000
Doha Port
Education city complex
Ok so it will be more stadiums, do you have any idea when we may see some renders?

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oh i see and sorry for me being ignorant
Don't be too hard on yourself, it was a legitimate query.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 09:17 AM   #1174
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Its not a 6 stadium bid. The bid has more stadiums that are going to be announced.

Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

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Lusail National 86,000
Doha Port
Education city complex
So it's a 9 stadium bid in the Greater Sydney Metro area.

Wow, WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY!
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Old July 12th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #1175
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Having travelled during this World Cup across South Africa, this event really is gigantic that requires so much more than lots of stadia. The nature of the event remains far from suited to Qatar.

I know I'm repeating myself but this is post 30 days of the World Cup I have experienced only having visited 4 host cities.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 02:30 PM   #1176
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Its not a 6 stadium bid. The bid has more stadiums that are going to be announced.

Khalifa..70,000
Al Khor..45,330
Al Wakrah..45,120
Al Shamal..45,120
Al Rayyan44..740
Al Gharafa..44,740

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Lusail National 86,000
Doha Port
Education city complex
7. Good Job.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #1177
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the stadiums probably have more seats then the people in the towns they're built in.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 03:30 AM   #1178
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7. Good Job.
I see you don't know how to count correctly , if you counted they are 9, which is what you need for a World Cup. & its NOT a full list. there are 3-4 more stadiums as well.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #1179
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The problem is not the number of stadiums, but if those stadiums will be full. In Al Wakrah, it seems the entire population (counting children and women) fits inside the stadium and still will be left empty chairs. But the Qatar has an advantage. The proximity between the cities can minimize these problems. The low number of stadiums (9) would facilitate the logistics.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:36 AM   #1180
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The problem is not the number of stadiums, but if those stadiums will be full. In Al Wakrah, it seems the entire population (counting children and women) fits inside the stadium and still will be left empty chairs. But the Qatar has an advantage. The proximity between the cities can minimize these problems. The low number of stadiums (9) would facilitate the logistics.
9 stadiums is enought for a WC in medium countries.

20 for 2002 was a waste of money.

10 for South Africa is 1 to much because now in Polokwane, Port Elizabeth and Nelspruit those stadiums have no guarantee to be used.

12 for big countries like Germany or USA is good.

Fifa considers the stadiums heritage as an important factor for hosting a WC. That's why Kadhafi and his 12 stadiums bid in Lybia for 2010 wasn't allowed to particparte to the pool.

Qatar with his 9 stadiums is making a more sustainble choice than Lybia. But I really think that Qatar is too small.

Qatar Son, have you the costs for each stadium ?
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