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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:44 PM   #101
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Hosting an Olympics would be difficult in Qatar but possible as it is an event based around one city.

A world cup requires 8 or 9 cities each with a 45,000+ seat stadium, hotels, transport infrastructure, entertainment, policing etc. etc.

An Olympics places enormous pressure on one city, a world cup places a large amount of pressure on several. Greece, for example, could host an Olympics because it's a very centralised nation with one world-class city; it would, though, have real problems with a world cup.

Qatar is centralised to a much, much larger extent than Greece with 90% of the citizens living in one city! This is why Doha could host an Olympics (as the IOC recognised to an extent), but Qatar could never really pull off a world cup.

I'm sorry, but your comparison is not valid at all. They are completely different events with completely different requirements. Just because a city can host an Olympics, it doesn't mean the country it's in can host a world cup.

Olympics is a far larger event than a World Cup. Both in terms of organisation (number of athletes, of sports, etc) and attendance. As a matter of comparison:

FIFA World Cup attendance:
Germany 2006: 3.36Mio
Korea/Japan 2002: 2.71Mio
France 1998: 2.79Mio

Olympics attendance:
Athens 2004: 3.8Mio
Sydney 2000: 6.7Mio
Atlanta 1996: 8.3Mio

My point is, Qatar's Olympic bid has been received with a strong grade, and so will be the World Cup one. Qatar has stronger connections in football than in any other sports. It will be an outsider.



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gures#Olympics
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Old March 24th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #102
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Olympics is a far larger event than a World Cup. Both in terms of organisation (number of athletes, of sports, etc) and attendance. As a matter of comparison:

FIFA World Cup attendance:
Germany 2006: 3.36Mio
Korea/Japan 2002: 2.71Mio
France 1998: 2.79Mio

Olympics attendance:
Athens 2004: 3.8Mio
Sydney 2000: 6.7Mio
Atlanta 1996: 8.3Mio

My point is, Qatar's Olympic bid has been received with a strong grade, and so will be the World Cup one. Qatar has stronger connections in football than in any other sports. It will be an outsider.



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http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifa..._fwc-stats.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gures#Olympics
crazy people.

your main host city is barely big enough to host 2 venues.
thats basically your entire population.

population: 1.5 million
doha: 1 million

and then what?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #103
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1 or 1.5 million people came for the world youth day in Sydney a year ago.

The city has a population of 4.5 million. The visitors entered and exited the country through various airports around the country, over the space of teo weeks, and many (hundreds of thousand) slept in tents in a massive park in the city.

Sydney receives 7.6 million domestic and 2.7 million international visitors each year.

And for the youth day, the city was at its maximum. We had international visitors staying in Melbourne and traveling up just for the day to put less strain on Sydney. And the amount of visitors was a third of the population, and one tenth of annual visitors.
I dont think you comprehend the strain that such an amount of people put on services.
Notice your posts always concern the present but not far in the future, 2022 is 13 years away. There are even international reports that Qatar could reach 15 million tourists annually by 2015 or 2020. And even the New Doha International Airport, some news reports have released reports that it can handle up to 97 million pax per year once its 3rd phase opens.

@ Mo Rush, Your previous post in the Qatar forum before and other forums showed you had a postive support on Qatar and knew it can host anything, plus don't call people stupid here since people who reach Qatar as residents are well educated, apart from the labour workers.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:13 PM   #104
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So...how will a league which attracts between 3000-5000 on average and pulls in 10000 for the big matches deal with 8 or 9 45,000+ seater stadiums?
What !! u know people could sit anywhere they want, and in the future, attendance to the league will be much haigher than current figures, plus international matches (ex. world cup qualification matches) fill the stadium fully.... with alot of people outside wanting to go inside the stadium...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:25 PM   #105
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Qatar 2022 announces Bid Committee leadership

The Chairman of the Qatar Bid to host the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Sheikh Mohammed bin Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, son of the Emir of Qatar, today announced the leadership of his Bid Committee.

Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, President of the Qatar Football Association, will be a Member of the Board of Qatar 2022. A former Qatar national team star, he also played for club side Al-Rayyan which he later managed.

The CEO of the Bid will be Mr Hassan Al-Thawadi, who is currently Director of the Legal Department at the Qatar Investment Authority. Mr Al-Thawadi is also the Legal Council of Al-Sadd Sports Club and a former player at Qatar Club’s Youth Team.

Last week, a delegation from Qatar met FIFA President Joseph Blatter and Secretary General Jerome Valcke in Switzerland to submit the completed Bid registration form officially.

Sheikh Mohammed said: “We believe it is time to bring the World Cup to the Middle East for the very first time. A World Cup in Qatar in 2022 would be the first global sports event to be hosted in the region. What could be more fitting than it being the world’s favourite game that achieves this truly historic status?"

“Our Bid truly epitomises FIFA’s slogan ‘For the Game, For the World’. The World Cup in the Middle East would bring so many positive things to our region including friendships and understandings between competitors and spectators that would extend far beyond the World Cup itself."

“A World Cup held in the Middle East would provide an opportunity for greater understanding and unity between the Arab and Western worlds. It would allow the rest of the world to gain a true picture of Arab culture and hospitality. While winning the honour of hosting the 2022 World Cup in Qatar would provide a symbol of hope and inspiration for this whole region.”

“This is a great moment for Qatar and the Middle East and I know that our bid will be enthusiastically supported by football fans of all ages across the whole region. We are extremely passionate about football and the region is craving for an event like this to take place. Qatar has the ability to host a prestigious tournament such as the World Cup finals and we look forward to presenting our Bid to the international football community.”

Sheikh Mohammed concluded: “We know that we have a lot of work to do before the FIFA Executive Board makes its decision in December 2010. I am therefore delighted to be joined

here today by the leadership of our Bid Committee who will be managing the application on behalf of Qatar. We will announce the full Bid Committee in the near future.”

The President of the Qatar Football Association, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, said: “We truly believe that a FIFA World Cup hosted by Qatar would be good for football. I know that Qatar will be able to guarantee an exceptional tournament for the players, the fans and for FIFA. I am thrilled that Qatar is bidding for the 2022 World Cup and we look forward to working closely with the Bid Committee on the application.”

Qatar is already an important centre for sport in the region, and Doha plays host to a large number of international sports events. Doha hosted the Asian Games in 2006, putting on what has been called “the best, the biggest, the most widely reported, and the highest standard Asian Games ever”. Partly as a result of this success, Qatar was selected to host the 2011 Asian Football Cup which will be the second time it has been hosted by Qatar, the other being in 1988. The AFC Asian Cup is Asia’s biggest football event.
Qatar is among 11 countries officially in contention to host the 2022 World Cup. Qatar and South Korea have applied only for the 2022 finals. The other nine candidates are bidding to host both the 2022 and 2018 tournaments. They are Japan, Mexico, the United States and four European countries: England, Russia and joint bidders Spain-Portugal, and Belgium-The Netherlands.

The next deadline in the bidding process is 11 December 2009 when all the bidders need to submit the signed hosting agreement. The Bid Book must be submitted to FIFA by 14 May 2010. In December 2010, FIFA will announce the host countries for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup.

http://en.qfa.com.qa/topics/index.as...93&temp_id=346
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:32 PM   #106
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What !! u know people could sit anywhere they want, and in the future, attendance to the league will be much haigher than current figures, plus international matches (ex. world cup qualification matches) fill the stadium fully.... with alot of people outside wanting to go inside the stadium...
Come on Qatar Son. Let's put pride aside for a moment or two.
Nobody dislikes Qatar but this bid is a bit of madness.
You're a smart person, from what I can tell, but in a country of 1.5 million with one 1 city already at 1 million, this is all a bit wishful.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #107
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why does everyone look at the present ?? we have 13 years !! and the population is already 1.6 million not 1.5 (100,000 increase in 3 months from 2008 till march, 73,000 of them are births, rest are Expats)
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Old March 24th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #108
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What !! u know people could sit anywhere they want, and in the future, attendance to the league will be much haigher than current figures, plus international matches (ex. world cup qualification matches) fill the stadium fully.... with alot of people outside wanting to go inside the stadium...
1. We're talking about 8 or 9 new stadiums. You'll only need 1 national stadium!

2. Yes, they would need to be higher! For the stadiums to be even half full you'd need a five fold increase in league attendences. And for that happen a sixth of your population would have to attend matches every week. For them to be full all the time you'd need a ten fold increase in attendences which would mean one in three people from Qatar would have to go to a match every week.

"u know people could sit anywhere they want" and "international matches" isn't going to fly with FIFA when they ask what use 8 or 9 big stadiums will be put to afterwards.

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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #109
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oh for gods sake already Qatars population will NOT STAY THE SAME !! from 1.6 millions it will rise to 3+ million !! Read at and memorise it !!
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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #110
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So?

That's still a massive, massive ask! I can't think of a single country with a population as low as that which sustains a stadium infrastrucure equivilient to that of a world cup i.e. 8 or 9 stadiums with an average capacity of 52,000+

I'm not having a go here, just trying to get a grip on how, even with the highest population estimates and the lowest allowed stadium capacities, Qatar could sensibly maintain and use so many grounds.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #111
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as i mentioned before there are also alot of Gulf fans of the Qatar league, they come over to see the match then they go back to there country (on the same day...)
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So you really think a 10 fold (or even five fold) increase in fans is likely?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:58 PM   #113
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Yes !!! our fans are as people say football "crazy", along with Saudi arabia and Kuwaiti's, they acctually come in groups to these matches, expect more in the future..
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Old March 24th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #114
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As everybody knows, Al-Jazeera is a Qatari television channel, this offcourse also applies to its branch channels like Al-Jazeera Sports (1,2,+1,+2,+3,+4,HD) and also we have a football channel named Al-Kass which is for the Qatari football league and also for international matches for the Qatari football team, and and sport event that happens in Qatar. so thats good media
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Old March 24th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #115
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LOL hilarious, there is no chance on earth qatar will ever hold a world cup, it's just ludicrous even entertaining the notion LOL

football crazy fans LOL
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Old March 25th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #116
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Yes !!! our fans are as people say football "crazy",
When i'll see 150k of your fans dead drunk singing and having fun for weeks all over city where championship is... then i'll call them "football crazy". You may not like that, but facts are facts... football fans/tourists are like that and they seek that kind of fun.

Would this scenes be possible in Qatar?



Just in Vienna there was around 150k Croats at the match day. Imagine if some small town gets group with teams who bring most away fans. Would some Qatari 10k population city be able to host all those fans? Let's be real. Imagine if you get group like England, Netherlands, Croatia, Sweden... That would be invasion of your country. Even Vienna which is one of the most iconic and famous cities in Europe had trouble with hosting that many fans. Sure there wouldn't be that many of them in Qatar due to distance... but even if overall only 100k of them showed up. 100k new people in 10k towns? Once again... let's be real.

Its nice to dream, but you guys seems to be very ignorant about what World Cup really is and how big the competition actually is.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 12:19 AM   #117
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Yes !!! our fans are as people say football "crazy", along with Saudi arabia and Kuwaiti's, they acctually come in groups to these matches, expect more in the future..
Your national team is flat out filling that tiny little stadium for WCQ matches.
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oh for gods sake already Qatars population will NOT STAY THE SAME !! from 1.6 millions it will rise to 3+ million !! Read at and memorise it !!
Thats like hosting the entire World Cup in Cape Town.
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as i mentioned before there are also alot of Gulf fans of the Qatar league, they come over to see the match then they go back to there country (on the same day...)
You're smart, stop saying silly things.
Everybody wishes Qatar well, even with the Olympic bid they showed whats possible and scored well but some things are just not possible.

Sometimes you just need, cities, people...money can't buy everything.
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You're smart, stop saying silly things.
Everybody wishes Qatar well, even with the Olympic bid they showed whats possible and scored well but some things are just not possible.

Sometimes you just need, cities, people...money can't buy everything.
Qataris doesn't have money only ! They have very smart government too which pushed their country to be the richest world country only in 3 years and to be the strongest world media in 3 years too leading by Aljazeera Network and they invest in science more than usa and europ doing together and im sure this will make them the leader in science in next 5 years so don't think that they only care about sport they are making the new future by the fastest growing country while the world economy and institutions crashing around us these days and their plans is larger than you can imagine.

Go ... Qatar and watch haters
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