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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:26 AM   #1181
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Old July 13th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #1183
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The problem is not the number of stadiums, but if those stadiums will be full. In Al Wakrah, it seems the entire population (counting children and women) fits inside the stadium and still will be left empty chairs. But the Qatar has an advantage. The proximity between the cities can minimize these problems. The low number of stadiums (9) would facilitate the logistics.
Al-Wakrah is my city it is over 400,000 as Al-wakrah fans we can fit even all the world cup stadiums todays not just the year 2022 and of course we not allowed to do this by our city fans we should allow other cities fans to join us and there over 40 million person in GCC waiting their chance to see the world cup matches in GCC countries and of course plus fans from arabs & world countries it will be the most audience worldcup.
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Dubai: Transportation projects in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait worth an estimated $170 billion will change the way trade is done. Railway projects alone will be worth an investment of $108 billion, according to Satish Khanna, General Manager of Al Fajer Information and Services, the organisers of the GulfRail 2012, an exhibition and conference set to take place from April 17 to 19, 2012.

An $11 billion UAE railway network that will be 1,500km long is scheduled to roll out over the next 7-8 years.

Abu Dhabi has also revealed its plans for a new rail network, called the Union Railway, that would serve Al Ain. The construction of the Union Railway is about to start this year and will cost between Dh30 billion and Dh40 billion.

"Abu Dhabi has joined the fray with a 131km metro rail system which is expected to partially start in 2015," Khanna said.

Across the region, a GCC network will include one rail line of 1,970 km connecting all GCC countries and Qatar via a bridge. The second line of 1,984 km will stretch between Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Oman.

The broader perspective would be for the network to extend to Jordan and Syria, linking the Gulf with Europe and Asia via Turkey, Khanna said.

V.G. Ramakrishnan, Senior Director, Automotive and Transportation Practice, South Asia and Middle East at Frost & Sullivan, told Gulf News that an efficient railway network in the UAE and the GCC region will substantially change the way the transportation of goods and people takes place.

"There will be an impact on the transportation of goods from one country to the other," he said. "Sixty per cent of the goods that enter the UAE are re-exported to other nations. What I can see is that with a well established railway system, goods will be transported more efficiently, reducing the congestion in airports in some places of the Gulf."

Ramakrishnan said that the way trade works in the region will also change, adding activity at the ports. "We will see new trade lines," he said.

At the same time, transportation of people will become more efficient, accessible and cheaper. "Right now, everybody flies," he said. "But when long distance trains come up, people will be able to commute to neighbouring countries. People will be able to live in Dubai and work in Abu Dhabi," he said. Harald Muller, CEO of IMAG (Internationaler Messe und Ausstellungsdienst GmbH), which is also organising GulfRail 2012 jointly with Al Fajer Information and Services, told Gulf News that a unified railway system for the GCC is not as far fetched as people think it is. "However, we're still talking about decades because these investments and the decision making process takes a very long time and you're going through the lands of many people," Muller said.

"There is a real revival of rail and freight, so these plans are real and in the next 10 or 20 years you'll expect to see these projects being carried out."

* Dh30b construction cost of Union Railway
* 1,970 km of track connecting all of the GCC countries


Getting on track

Saudi Arabia is spending $25 billion (Dh91 billion) on its rail network adding 3,900 km of track through three major projects. Saudi Arabia has already begun work on four different railway projects. Focus will be on 1,000 km land bridge, East-West Railway project, running from Jeddah and Dammam and bridging gap between the Red Sea and Arabian Gulf.

The project will consist of two tracks, the first of which will cover 449 km and handle only passengers while the second will stretch over 556 km and will be devoted exclusively to freight. Upon completion, it is estimated to transport more than 300 million passengers per year and one billion tons per year.

Saudi Rail Organisation recently issued tenders for the first contract on the 500 km Haramain high speed rail link between Makkah and Madinah. The $7 billion project aims to provide transport for Umrah and Haj pilgrims.

Oman has appointed consultants to conduct a feasibility study of a 200 km railway network that will begin in Sohar connecting Bikra in north Muscat and Duqum. Kuwait is also looking into a 1,500 km railway that would link the Iraqi border with the Omani port of Salah on the southern top of the Arabian Peninsula. Bahrain is planning a $8 billion railway project stretching 184 km.

- Source: GulfRail 2012

Do you think a cross-nation rail service would ease tension on other infrastructures, like roads? Should the government look at fast tracking this project? Is this something you would use?


http://gulfnews.com/business/general...ystem-1.653573
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Old July 13th, 2010, 08:43 AM   #1185
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World Cup, the Next Generation (Concept Video of Japan's Bid)
Sorry but that that was painfully corny.

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Al-Wakrah is my city it is over 400,000 as Al-wakrah fans we can fit even all the world cup stadiums todays not just the year 2022 and of course we not allowed to do this by our city fans we should allow other cities fans to join us and there over 40 million person in GCC waiting their chance to see the world cup matches in GCC countries and of course plus fans from arabs & world countries it will be the most audience worldcup.
I guess its break down in understanding. For some people a City is defined by its Municipal boundaries, they being defined by an invisible line on the ground, drawn by bureaucracy for workable administative areas. Others see City's as Metropolitan areas with the borders are generally where the urban/suburban edges to semi rural or Bush/Desert, and this is what FIFA mean when they say City.

The City/Municipality I live in has around 100 000 peaple but it's in the middle of suburbs of the Perth Metropolitan Area. Most people see Al-Wakrah as simply a continuation of Doha's Metropolitan area, either within or as a satilite city. Questions you could anwser to clarify this are;
Is there a defined physical boundry (gap, empty space etc) with Doha?
Is there are different atmosphere than Doha?
Would one identify themselves distinctly with one or the other?
Does Al-Wakrah operate relevtively independently to Doha, or do people commute to Doha for work and leisure.

The only population figures I've seen for Al-Wakrah (as it seems most others) is around 31000. You say 400 000, so does that mean its hard to define as it really is just part of the Doha suburbs?

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Old July 13th, 2010, 10:26 AM   #1186
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Sorry but that that was painfully corny.



I guess its break down in understanding. For some people a City is defined by its Municipal boundaries, they being defined by an invisible line on the ground, drawn by bureaucracy for workable administative areas. Others see City's as Metropolitan areas with the borders are generally where the urban/suburban edges to semi rural or Bush/Desert, and this is what FIFA mean when they say City.

The City/Municipality I live in around 100 000 peaple but it's in the middle of suburbs of the Perth Metropolitan Area. Most people see Al-Wakrah as simply a continuation of Doha's Metropolitan area, either within or as a satilite city. Questions you could anwser to clarify this are;
Is there a defined physical boundry (gap, empty space etc) with Doha?
Is there are different atmosphere than Doha?
What one identify themselves distinctly with one or the other?
Does Al-Wakrah operate relevtively independently to Doha, or do people commute to Doha for work and leisure.

The only population figures I've seen for Al-Wakrah (as it seems most others) is around 31000. You say 400 000, so does that mean its hard to define as it really is just part of the Doha suburbs?
We have 9 Municipalities in Qatar as following



you can see in south Al-Wakrah Municipality which have many cities include Al-Wakrah city the capital of south and it is population is over 400,000 and can jump easly to 600,000 within next 2 years plus Um Saed city and many towns like Al-Mashaf twon, Al-Wakair town, Barwa-wakrah, Al-hatharma many others.

all these towns inside AL-Wakrah Municipality not counted in Al-Wakra city population and most of these towns between 1000-30000 population.




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yes Al-Wakrah Independent with all mean of Independent Municipality there thousands of Wakrah people working within AL-Wakrah Municipality such us the industrial area in um saeed city also there thousands working in Doha City or other cities such as Dukhan or AL-Khor or Ras Lafan or anywhere else.

there many hug projects under construction in Al-Wakrah and with 2-4 years AL-Wakrah can be a real competitor to Doha on all levels.

Health city Building in Al-Wakrah city


building such hug health city in Al-Wakrah it is show how fast this city is growing.

many large cities in world doesnt have strong infrastructure like some cities in Qatar and soon we will have metro network linking the most of Qatar cities plus the Railways system.

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Old July 13th, 2010, 12:59 PM   #1187
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you can see in south Al-Wakrah Municipality which have many cities include Al-Wakrah city the capital of south and it is population is over 400,000 and can jump easly to 600,000 within next 2 years plus Um Saed city and many towns like Al-Mashaf twon, Al-Wakair town, Barwa-wakrah, Al-hatharma many others.

all these towns inside AL-Wakrah Municipality not counted in Al-Wakra city population and most of these towns between 1000-30000 population.
I see.
It may be that in Australia we have a different definition of independent city but I'm not really convinced. Looking at google earth and the urban areas in amongst the Desert, its hard to believe that there is 400 000 people there, your talking of around 20000 people per square km in the built areas.

As for the following proposed venues;
Khalifa
Al Wakrah
Al Rayyan
Lusail National
Doha Port

All are within 15 km of the centre of Doha.

Compare the two images from 50km above the ground. One of Doha, the other of Perth. Both have 1.6 million. By 2022 Qatar (mostly Doha) will apparently by +3 million while Perth will be 2.2 million. Note the regional centres in the metro areas and distances. Perth will provide 1 venue in the bid just like every other city its size has for World Cups going back decades. Doha and it's satellite "independent" cities will apparently provide 5, maybe more when all are revealed. No sensible person should believe that you need this for the future need of your country. It's unsustainable, even with downsizing.




Hell Sydney's proposed 3 venues are 15km and 21 km apart (as the bird flys) and here Australia is, worrying about too many venues in one City, or should we just say 3 cities, Sydney, Parramatta and Blacktown?

I stand by what I have said before in that a Summer Olympics may be possible in the future but not a World Cup. Only unless Qatar an convince FIFA to disregard precendent and all the other Bids which have planned to the requriments can Qatar get the World Cup. So Qatar need FIFA to change their World Cup for Qatar rather than the host nation providing what FIFA seems to need and have needed for at least the last 4 World Cups when it changes to include 32 Nations. This is just an expensive ego trip.

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Old July 13th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #1188
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The problem is not the number of stadiums, but if those stadiums will be full. In Al Wakrah, it seems the entire population (counting children and women) fits inside the stadium and still will be left empty chairs. But the Qatar has an advantage. The proximity between the cities can minimize these problems. The low number of stadiums (9) would facilitate the logistics.
You could just force the entire city to attend! and then make the entire city watch the match delayed in the fan fest.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #1189
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I see.
It may be that in Australia we have a different definition of independent city but I'm not really convinced. Looking at google earth and the urban areas in amongst the Desert, its hard to believe that there is 400 000 people there, your talking of around 20000 people per square km in the built areas.

As for the following proposed venues;
Khalifa
Al Wakrah
Al Rayyan
Lusail National
Doha Port

All are within 15 km of the centre of Doha.

Compare the two images from 50km above the ground. One of Doha, the other of Perth. Both have 1.6 million. By 2022 Qatar (mostly Doha) will apparently by +3 million while Perth will be 2.2 million. Note the regional centres in the metro areas and distances. Perth will provide 1 venue in the bid just like every other city its size has for World Cups going back decades. Doha and it's satellite "independent" cities will apparently provide 5, maybe more when all are revealed. No sensible person should believe that you need this for the future need of your country. It's unsustainable, even with downsizing.




Hell Sydney's proposed 3 venues are 15km and 21 km apart (as the bird flys) and here Australia is, worrying about too many venues in one City, or should we just say 3 cities, Sydney, Parramatta and Blacktown?

I stand by what I have said before in that a Summer Olympics may be possible in the future but not a World Cup. Only unless Qatar an convince FIFA to disregard precendent and all the other Bids which have planned to the requriments can Qatar get the World Cup. So Qatar need FIFA to change their World Cup for Qatar rather than the host nation providing what FIFA seems to need and have needed for at least the last 4 World Cups when it changes to include 32 Nations. This is just an expensive ego trip.
lol all you talking about it is assumptions and not calibrated and your words mean IF 2022 bid dont have competitors and Qatar was only candidate country, FIFA will not give Qatar Hosting ???? becouse your assumptions ??? of course this cant be happen and FIFA cant reject any bid coming from country member in the FIFA and Qatar hosted many FIFA events in past and will host many large FIFA events in future include the largest FIFA event in Aisa ( AFC 2011 ), Mortify therefore your assumptions to simulate the fact on ground.

by the way Qatar won the bid on FIFA AFC 2011 between other 3 countries bid ( Australia , India , Iran )
and FIFA AFC members consider Qatar bid was the best.

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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #1190
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lol you didn't consider any points I brought up then you just made up an argument. You know very well that I never said anything about hypothetical unopposed bid from Qatar. I'm only interested and have only talked about the current reality. That is bids form 5 different nations for 2022. I certainly believe FIFA should give more consideration to the nations that can provide FIFA with a World Cup that fulfills the requirements that history has shown they need rather than FIFA having to compromise to fit the limitations of the hosts. For example Qatari supporters have talked of the benefit of a compact World Cup, at face value thats fine but it contradicts everything FIFA has imposed in the past. The convention of only one city in a bid being able use two venues wasn't just made up. The World Cup is the biggest sporting tournament on the planet and it continues to grow, why would they want to compromise a winning formula to suit a bidder that wants to radically change that to suit themselves.

As for the Asian Cup. Geez how long has Australia even been in the AFC, the event has next to 0 profile and awareness in Australia, that may grow but 2011 was too soon for the AFC to send it to Australia when Australia is the new kid on the block, better off giving it to a country who is active in the AFC's administration and one this seems to be excited at hosting any event and to tell everyone no matter how minor, judging by the spam like lists on this thread. Knowing Australia, the 2011 bid would only have been a trial run to test the new waters of the AFC to understand the new turf with a conservative bid.

Australia was awarded 2015 unopposed, doesn't say much for the popularity of the event, the majority of Australia is unaware we will be hosting it. They won't be playing many games outside of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. No games will be in my city (Australia's 4th largest) and no one is losing any sleep over it, most didn't even notice. We just don't care that much, especially when we've got bigger fish to fry. See Qatar might feel it needs the Asian Cup, its a tournament that can be played with 4 venues. Australia has hosted Olympics, Cricket and Rugby World Cups. Events far closer to the scale and management of a FIFA World Cup than the Asian Cup.

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Old July 14th, 2010, 02:45 AM   #1191
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Walbanger, Lusail National is not even in the image and yet you say its 15 Km from the center ??
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I apologies, I should have been more vigorous in my argument. I was under the false impression that Lusail National stadium was to be in Doha.
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I have lived in Doha for years - Wakra is a separate town from Doha, but there is no way that 400,000 live there - I would guess around 50,000.

If Wakra Municipality also includes Mesaieed then total population could be around 100,000, but still a long way short of 400k claimed.

Face facts - Qatar is too small to host a World Cup - it could host one pool of a joint Gulf bid - with Kuwait hosting one pool - and UAE the remainder - but alone??
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I have lived in Doha for years - Wakra is a separate town from Doha, but there is no way that 400,000 live there - I would guess around 50,000.

If Wakra Municipality also includes Mesaieed then total population could be around 100,000, but still a long way short of 400k claimed.

Face facts - Qatar is too small to host a World Cup - it could host one pool of a joint Gulf bid - with Kuwait hosting one pool - and UAE the remainder - but alone??
Tallsmurf since 2 years many areas in Doha didnt become residential areas anymore and it is under reconstruction as commercial zones or new projects and thousands of residents have moved to live in the city of Al-Wakra because it is the nearest city to Doha and these numbers will increase within next two years.

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3 countries hosting world cup noway that mean 3 teams qualify for the World Cup directly, are we going to host world cup or mobilize an international coalition to invade Afganistan.

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Old July 14th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #1195
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According to this, Al Wakra has a population of 30k six years ago.

Somehow I doubt it grew by 1000% in six years...
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According to this, Al Wakra has a population of 30k six years ago.

Somehow I doubt it grew by 1000% in six years...
lol how it is become 1000% that mean it is population now 30 Million still early plus I knew one of Al-wakrah towns has over 30,000

I already explained that in my last post and there hug move from Meshereb, Nasrya etc and people who was leaving in old Rayan, thousands of residents have been set up mega projects in their old places in Doha such Education city, Doha Land (heart of Doha) these people most of them moved to live in Al-Wakrah and there more will be move during the next 2 years to live in Al-wakrah which experiencing currently huge population growth.

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" population of 600,000 for Wakrah by 2032"

so i think the current figures are realistic.
Qatarson works at the Urban Planning and Development Authority in Qatar, I think he knows what he is talking about.
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You don't grow that much in 32 years...
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Old July 15th, 2010, 07:17 AM   #1199
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" population of 600,000 for Wakrah by 2032"

so i think the current figures are realistic.
Qatarson works at the Urban Planning and Development Authority in Qatar, I think he knows what he is talking about.
correction brother im in Ministry of Municipality & Urban Planning, we have much information about land uses and what going there plus im living there too as you know there was many demolition in Doha so many people moving to Wakrah plus we facing new changes in laws which dont allow singles to live between families neighborhoods in Doha but the laws allow them to live among the families in Al-Wakra.

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You don't grow that much in 32 years...
for Al-wakrah or Qatar !! Al-wakrah will reach 600,000 within next 2 years for Qatar it will reach 2.5 million in 2016 and 3.5 in 2022.

we already jumped from 700,000 to 1,700000 only in past 5 years

we cant close the country or stop it is economy growth many people coming here runing away from the crisis countries and the global bankruptcy and everyone is moving towards wealth and prosperity in Qatar without that thing called (Taxes) with these reasons no wonder why Qatar is a favorite place for many.
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