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Old August 10th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #1301
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World Cup Final at the Qatar 2022 Bid Fan Zone


Fans watching the final match on a huge screen.,,


Qatar 2022 Bid volunteers at the fan zone.


Celebrating the Spanish victory.


As if they were in the stadium.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 04:04 PM   #1302
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World Cup Final at the Qatar 2022 Bid Fan Zone

....As if they were in the stadium.
QatarSon, the Qatar Football Association seems too dumb to accept the truth.
Why don't you channelise your resources for soemthing else than chasing this, like dog and its tail?
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Old August 13th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #1303
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Fans watching the final match on a huge screen.,,


Celebrating the Spanish victory.


As if they were in the stadium.
Thats not a big screen (it'n not small though, but nor is it huge), I've seen similar sized screens in people's home theaters (they were very rich). And seriously? Have you ever seen what happened after that match? Those 'celebrations' were absolutely nothing compared to what happened at the ground and in Spain. Were they sold alcohol?
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Old August 13th, 2010, 04:14 PM   #1304
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Former World Cup champs set for Doha clash

DOHA: Former World Cup champions Brazil and Argentina are said to be getting ready to play an international friendly in Doha later this year.

A tentative date of November 17 is said to have been finalised by organisers in Doha, according to a report published in a local sports weekly.

If the match goes ahead, it will be the second time Brazil — who have won the World Cup a record five times — will be playing in Doha.

Last November, Brazil beat Fabio Capello’s England 1-0 at Khalifa International Stadium.

Argentina are two-time World Cup champions, having won the game’s biggest event in 1978 and 1986.

The match is likely to take place on the third day of the four-day Aspire4Sport Conference and Expo, being organised by the Aspire Academy, Doha Stadium Plus reported yesterday.

According to the report, Argentina have already signed the agreement whereas Brazil are expected to follow suit.

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Old August 13th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #1305
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You do realize that Qatar pays these teams an gigantic performance/appearance fee. A fee other cities or FA's probably cannot afford.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #1306
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You do realize that Qatar pays these teams an gigantic performance/appearance fee. A fee other cities or FA's probably cannot afford.
Thats crystal clear my friend, every Qatari knows this. It mimics how a World cup "level" match conditions are like, The Brazil vs England match was a success in November 2009. Hopefully this November we will have another achievement.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 05:35 PM   #1307
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lol qatar has small dick and bid. i piss on it.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #1308
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Thats crystal clear my friend, every Qatari knows this. It mimics how a World cup "level" match conditions are like, The Brazil vs England match was a success in November 2009. Hopefully this November we will have another achievement.

I'm sorry but I don't think it mimics a world cup level at all
The point is -would they play there far closer to June when the World Cup is on when the weather is extreme as you hope 32 teams would have to endure in 2022.And yes a few thousand may turn up to see the biggest teams in the world. But really when Australia played in Doha on June 6 last year in an absolutely critical World Cup Qualifying Match for Qatar there were 7000 there-really poor considering a large amount of Australians were at the match.
There is no football culture to speak of,no travelling fans either.I certainly didn't meet any in Germany or South Africa.When your country need you no one turned up-no wonder you haven't managed to qualify,regardless of the incredible nationalising program you have which the football world abhors.I remember when Forsatti took over the process sped up again and I think there were 7 nationalised players on the team sheet
On the contrary I went to Australia v Qatar in Melbourne and was one of 50,959 .It was basically a sellout against a team ranked nearly 90

Surely the World Cup hosting rights can only be awarded to a country that will technically comply with the bid requirements and respect history-and with this Qatar fundamentally fails on many counts.
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That is good news.
A money making venture for both Brazil and Argentina.

But does that realy help Qatar bid?
It could have been an invitational tournamnet with 8 or 10 countries participating in 2 or 3 cities with the promised tech modifications in infrastructure.
This can impress the FIFA better.
But still would be a long shot.
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That is good news.
A money making venture for both Brazil and Argentina.

But does that realy help Qatar bid?
It could have been an invitational tournamnet with 8 or 10 countries participating in 2 or 3 cities with the promised tech modifications in infrastructure.
This can impress the FIFA better.
But still would be a long shot.
actually that would have been a bloody good idea

show in live conditions how the technology would overcome the heat issues
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Old August 14th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #1311
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actually that would have been a bloody good idea

show in live conditions how the technology would overcome the heat issues
That is still under development, I passed by the construction area of the testing facility that the FIFA inspectors will witness, and work is going great. They are already placing the roof structure.

This is what i am talking about, The testing facility for the outdoor solar powered cooling. It will be able to bring temperatures down from 45 to 27 degrees. same technology will be used for the bid stadiums.
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That is still under development, I passed by the construction area of the testing facility that the FIFA inspectors will witness, and work is going great. They are already placing the roof structure.

This is what i am talking about, The testing facility for the outdoor solar powered cooling. It will be able to bring temperatures down from 45 to 27 degrees. same technology will be used for the bid stadiums.
This is not ideal though, its still selling the theory

Being able to show a tournament (even an expo one) and say "look, the bloody thing works!!!" would kill this as an issue.

Until its proven, there will always be the concern the theory will not deliver
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Old August 14th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #1313
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This is not ideal though, its still selling the theory

Being able to show a tournament (even an expo one) and say "look, the bloody thing works!!!" would kill this as an issue.

Until its proven, there will always be the concern the theory will not deliver
Will be proven in September, when the FIFA inspectors come to see for themselves. And it will be implemented in Stadiums, Training pitches, Fan zones and Fan walk ways between metro stations and stadiums.

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Old August 14th, 2010, 06:16 PM   #1314
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Qatar is prepared to tackle the heat of a World Cup
20 July 2010
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The World Cup may have gripped audiences from Dubai to Rabat, with vuvuzelas and air-horns echoing from packed restaurants, bars and cafes across the region, but for the Arab world there was little to cheer about in footballing terms.

The only team from the Middle East and north Africa that managed to qualify for tournament was Algeria, and the Desert Foxes struggled to make a mark. They lost two of their three group games, with the high point being a goalless draw with a much-criticised England team.

Yet there is one country in the region where the World Cup dream remains alive - Qatar. Never one to be shy in putting itself forward , the gas-rich state is bidding to host the 2022 tournament, taking on Japan, Australia and South Korea.

England, Belgium/Netherlands, Russia, Spain/Portugal and the US have also bid for either the 2018 or 2022 tournaments. It is expected that the former event will be held in Europe, which may open the door for Asia in 12 years time.

Qatar, the minnow among the group , submitted its bid in spite of the fact that the small desert nation has a population of about 1.5m, has never qualified for the World Cup, and that the tournament takes place in June and July, when temperatures soar and stifling humidity kicks in.

"Crazy" is how one person who has been involved in organising sporting events described the bid. Even Hassan al-Thawadi, the chief executive of Qatar 2022, admits that when the bid was first proposed, some asked: "Are you serious, is this a joke?"

Yet Qatar, buoyed by its riches , is undeterred. And experts in football circles say its application is being treated seriously.

During a visit to Doha in April, Sepp Blatter, president of Fifa, football's world governing body, praised Qatar's infrastructure and said the Arab world deserves to stage a World Cup. D-day for Qatar is December 2, when Fifa reveals its choices for 2018 and 2022.

If Qatar is to succeed it has to overcome what Mr Thawadi admits is the main obstacle: convincing doubters that it can take on and beat the sweltering heat. When Qatar made a failed bid for the 2016 Olympics, it had hoped to be able to hold the games in October as the weather cools, but that did not fit with the calendar of the event.

This time, however, it is putting its faith in a $4bn plan to build nine new stadiums and renovate three others that would use solar-powered cooling equipment to bring pitch temperatures down to 27°C or below.

Arguing that Qatar's perceived weaknesses can be its strengths, Mr Thawadi talks of a "compact" event with no stadium more than an hour's drive away. Clearly, Qatar has the money to build them and produce the infrastructure, although it would take a brave soul to bet against white-elephant stadiums lying idle in a post-tournament desert.

But the World Cup is not just about stadiums, nor solely about football. Rather it is an event that draws together people from across the globe for a month-long, party-filled festival. Even in another decade, will the conservative Gulf be ready to host such an extravaganza and the exuberances that are likely to accompany the tournament, such as alcohol-fuelled supporters taking to the streets to celebrate a win or mourn a loss?

If so, how will Qatar keep the 700,000 visitors it predicts it can attract entertained for four weeks, even if, as Mr Thawadi says, the government invests $20bn in tourism? You may be able to cool stadiums, but you cannot "chill" an entire nation.

And will Doha be ready for the media scrutiny the World Cup brings, whether focused on the treatment of the foreign labourers who would build the stadiums or its own society?

Yet a successful and trouble-free World Cup would be a boon for the entire region, helping it shed some of the negative stereotypes it so often attracts, just as South Africa's success was a lift for a continent too often associated with corruption, poverty and conflict.

It may be a long shot, but it will be interesting to see if Qatar will have the chance to prove the doubters wrong.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 05:52 AM   #1315
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Will be proven in September, when the FIFA inspectors come to see for themselves. And it will be implemented in Stadiums, Training pitches, Fan zones and Fan walk ways between metro stations and stadiums.
thats only a pilot stadium for a 5 a side game though isn't it?

and the fan zones is still only theoretical

the concept put forward by the poster was for a exhibition comp. that would be full side teams, in proper comps, with the the fan pressures that this would bring
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thats only a pilot stadium for a 5 a side game though isn't it?

and the fan zones is still only theoretical

the concept put forward by the poster was for a exhibition comp. that would be full side teams, in proper comps, with the the fan pressures that this would bring
If Qatar was to win the 2022 bid, wouldn't the Confederations Cup serve that purpose?
Obivously they don't have time to create an Exhibiton competition this soon to to Decembers decision, so they will just have to dazzle FIFA with the mockup and then they have 12 years to perfect it. So yes there would be lingering doubts for many but most would agree the Qatari's have enogh time to iron it all out, especially when the same tech is need for them to Host the Olympics.

Question for the Qatari's on board;
When it is said that the airconditioning will lower temps from 45 to 27 degrees C. Does that mean it is capable of a maximum 18 degree decrease or only that it will always go to 27 dgrees?
Example: if it is hotter than 45, say 47 then will it go to 29 degrees, vise versa if it is 40 will the airconditioning drop it to 22 degrees?
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If Qatar was to win the 2022 bid, wouldn't the Confederations Cup serve that purpose?
Obivously they don't have time to create an Exhibiton competition this soon to to Decembers decision, so they will just have to dazzle FIFA with the mockup and then they have 12 years to perfect it. So yes there would be lingering doubts for many but most would agree the Qatari's have enogh time to iron it all out, especially when the same tech is need for them to Host the Olympics.
timing sucks unfortunately - ideally they need to run a comp in July with real conditions (even if its is just an expo)

the fact they cannot do it because of timing just means the delegates will have to be convinced based upon the pilot trial

given this is one of the major obstacles facing teh Qatari bid, it would have been nice for them to knock this out fo the ballpark.
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timing sucks unfortunately - ideally they need to run a comp in July with real conditions (even if its is just an expo)

the fact they cannot do it because of timing just means the delegates will have to be convinced based upon the pilot trial

given this is one of the major obstacles facing teh Qatari bid, it would have been nice for them to knock this out fo the ballpark.
This IS THE POINT surely.
Coming up with a theory NOW when the Middle East has had this problem forever and a day.
It is one of the big problems and I'm sure many engineers from the superpowers of this world have tried and failed.The cost in other resources (water)would always outweigh the solution.

And the other point is the bid is essentially in a single city-this is NOT ALLOWED
Spatugal,Bennelux (joint bids)and Qatar(single city) do no comply and are only still in contention for increased broadcast rights
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Who said joint bids do not comply? We've had them before and whislt FIFA have always said they prefer individual countries where possible, they haven't ruled out joint hosts. I suspect they'll look more favourably on Bel/Ned as its a genuine joint bid unlike Spa/Por which is lopsided and has one partner which could easily host alone.
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timing sucks unfortunately - ideally they need to run a comp in July with real conditions (even if its is just an expo)

the fact they cannot do it because of timing just means the delegates will have to be convinced based upon the pilot trial

given this is one of the major obstacles facing teh Qatari bid, it would have been nice for them to knock this out fo the ballpark.
There was a planned friendly Qatar Vs Spain match in September 7th (during FIFA inspection), but Spain backed out as their schedule is too busy. This is why Brazil Vs Argentina counts as a replacement but it has been pushed to November.

"The Bid Committee is expecting huge international media presence for the match and obviously they are keen on utilising this opportunity to showcase some of Qatar Bid’s salient features, including its cutting edge cooling technology."
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