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Old August 15th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #1321
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@T74, We have already had outdoor air conditioning for stadiums, and it has been going great. The only difference is the technology used, the current use is not Eco friendly, but what the 2022 bid proposes is solar-powered & carbon neutral outdoor cooling. in fact, The FIFA president himself was present during the final of the heir apparent's cup at the Al-Sadd stadium, he himself witnessed the current cooling technologies. Cool 18 degree's air is blown under each spectator seat and on the pitch as well.

So the showcase will demonstrate how the carbon neutral technology will work and prove that it works, NOT proving what already has been implemented and what is already in use. Since outdoor cooling has already been done, but not Eco friendly.

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@Walbanger, In the many articles and bid announcements, they have repeated that no matter how hot the temperature outside the stadium is, the temperature inside the stadium will not be higher than 27 degrees, so 27 is a "maximum" which is ideal for the players and the spectators.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #1322
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Ok, thanks
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Old August 15th, 2010, 06:23 PM   #1323
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With so much sunlight in the Persian Gulf, if the technology is able to harness the sun and translate that into A/C, that will be such a huge breakthrough.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 03:18 AM   #1324
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With so much sunlight in the Persian Gulf, if the technology is able to harness the sun and translate that into A/C, that will be such a huge breakthrough.
Well it will not "technically" work like that, The idea is that during daytime the power will be harnessed and be given into the national power grid, everyday, and when a match comes and the power for lightning and cooling is needed, power will be taken from the national power grid, thus maintaining a carbon neutral and energy efficient outdoor cooling system.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 05:59 AM   #1325
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Well it will not "technically" work like that, The idea is that during daytime the power will be harnessed and be given into the national power grid, everyday, and when a match comes and the power for lightning and cooling is needed, power will be taken from the national power grid, thus maintaining a carbon neutral and energy efficient outdoor cooling system.

I actually was not aware there are solar-powered air-conditioners. It would be a very innovative product that can be introduced to the tropical regions. I was wondering what companies are researching this area. So I presume Qatar has this technology so to cool down an entire outdoor venue?
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Old August 16th, 2010, 07:27 AM   #1326
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What would happen after the World Cup to these Stadia with air conditioning?
Will those be distributed to households in Qatar?
Have any radical ideas for the later usage?
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Old August 16th, 2010, 07:29 AM   #1327
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The idea is that during daytime the power will be harnessed and be given into the national power grid, everyday, and when a match comes and the power for lightning and cooling is needed, power will be taken from the national power grid, thus maintaining a carbon neutral and energy efficient outdoor cooling system.
Vow, What a revelation - Usage of Solar panels and grid reciprocity?
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Old August 16th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #1328
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What would happen after the World Cup to these Stadia with air conditioning?
Will those be distributed to households in Qatar?
Have any radical ideas for the later usage?
And why should they be distributed to households ??? every house/building in Qatar has its own air conditioning system (for obvious reasons).

I don't see the problem with the cooling system, it should stay at the stadiums so we could have future events in summer as well. Not to mention that another technology is being developed to air condition out door "open" spaces, such as fan zones, training pitches, walkways between stadiums and metro stations etc.

To avoid white elephants the modular upper tiers of some stadiums will be dismantled and donated to developing countries in need of sports infrastructure.


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Vow, What a revelation - Usage of Solar panels and grid reciprocity?
But its still carbon neutral and energy efficient.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #1329
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White elephants no matter what you'll have them.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #1330
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White elephants no matter what you'll have them.
Proof ?

Even if we go away from football a bit, most venues are used all year round, for example, although the seasons are over now and they are yet to start, its Ramadan, and Ramadan has several functions including sport championships, tourneys, cups etc. So most indoor sport halls are busy now, in fact I have a Futsal match to attend in 4 hours.
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Old August 16th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #1331
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Who said joint bids do not comply? We've had them before and whislt FIFA have always said they prefer individual countries where possible, they haven't ruled out joint hosts. I suspect they'll look more favourably on Bel/Ned as its a genuine joint bid unlike Spa/Por which is lopsided and has one partner which could easily host alone.
Its pretty common knowledge but anyway-

"The 2002 FIFA World Cup was co-hosted in Asia for the first time by South Korea and Japan. Initially, the two Asian countries were competitors in the bidding process. But just before the vote, they agreed with FIFA to co-host the event. However, the rivalry and distance between them led to organizational and logistical problems. FIFA has said that co-hosting is not likely to happen again, and in 2004 officially stated that its statutes did not allow co-hosting bids"

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Old August 16th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #1332
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Actually there has been a change in the past 2 months,which is good for Spatugal and Benelux

"On the bidding process for hosting the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups
The main point of interest is that the FIFA Executive Committee has formally accepted the principle of member associations co-hosting the tournaments. We received joint bids from Spain and Portugal, as well as from Belgium and the Netherlands. We have gone through the two bids and both of them involve just one, unified Local Organising Committee. In Korea/Japan in 2002, there were two separate Organising Committees, which gave the impression at times that there were two different World Cups taking place. Having been reassured that we would not find ourselves in the same situation again in 2018 or 2022, the principle of a joint bid was approved."

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Old August 19th, 2010, 06:47 PM   #1333
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Hey Qatar Son 333.
I have a request my friend. Can you X-Post some of the Venues for the 2011 Asian Cup in the following thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...9#post62247259
Here's the list of Venues:
Khalifa Stadium
Al Gharafa Stadium
Qatar Sports Club Stadium
Al Rayyan Stadium
Al Sadd Stadium
Thank You man.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:49 AM   #1334
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remind me Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban. South Africa
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Old August 20th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #1335
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remind me Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban. South Africa
But smaller and nowhere near as good design wise.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 11:38 PM   #1336
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QATAR - FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022 is similar if LICHTENSTEIN tries to get FIFA World Cup as well..i think Qatar will get its chance in 2050.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 03:18 AM   #1337
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The superficial Qatar bid doesn't breath football but ill-placed window-dressing. Money can't buy authenticity. I wouldn't be surprised if a bid for hosting the Winter Olympics is in the making.
There is a bid to host the 2020 Summer Olympics in Doha. but lets stick to the thread topic.

we have 12 years to develop our national team. Other than that sports is all around Qatar, in fact, its the sports capital of the middle east. Sports all year round.

for example. recently, Qatar Menís Junior handball and Qatar Menís Youth handball teams have both won the Asian championship, and have booked their ticket for the 2011 World championship. that should be counted as success.
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for example. recently, Qatar Menís Junior handball and Qatar Menís Youth handball teams have both won the Asian championship, and have booked their ticket for the 2011 World championship. that should be counted as success.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 03:59 AM   #1339
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Some of the Qatars have done themselves any favors in this thread with their arrogance and jingoism but others should really be above such nasty talk as on this page.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 06:16 AM   #1340
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This is the absolutely last call to order. Since when did these topics turn into a battle ground? They weren't this way before.

From now on, sanctions will be implemented to members with ill attitudes that deviate the true purpose of this forum.

This goes for ALL thread s in Stadiums and Sports Arenas
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