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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:05 AM   #1381
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They will need help in security numbers or just threaten draconian repercussions as 600 000 people entering a nation of 3 000 000 (as is claimed by 2022) would be an enormous strain on local security. Thats instantly another 20% of the population size in festive spirits entering a small nation ready to have the roudy time of their lives.
yup good point. They can always get help from their neighbours UAE/Bahrain/Saudi Arabia
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:15 AM   #1382
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petty crime is not an issue there like in SA unless you are referring to terrorist threat because its located in the middle east. If someone is caught for rape, under muslim traditions, isnt that a beheading or slashing off the arm ?
I expect the terrorists to leave the hosts alone for that one month(not like Qatar has been a victim of terrorism off late) if Qatar wins their bid.
Security shouldnt be a big deal. Qatar can easily take care of it
Indeed.

Qatar ranks 15th in the Global Peace Index (Highest in the Arab world)

South Africa ranked 121st (and they hosted 2010 WC ?)
Brazil ranks 83rd (and they are hosting 2014 WC ?)

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Qatar ranks 22nd in the Corruption Perceptions Index (Highest in the Arab world)

South Africa ranks 55th (and they hosted the 2010 WC ?)
Brazil ranks 75th (and they are hosting the 2014 WC ?)

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Qatar's Homicide rate is 0.77 per 100,000 (2004, most recent) 5th lowest in Arab World.

South Africa Homicide rate is 37 per 100,000 (2009, most recent) 2010 WC ??
Brazil Homicide rate is 25.2 per 100,000 (2007, most recent) 2014 WC ??


So if South Africa & Brazil were given the World Cup with these rates and ranks, I think Qatar has the green light in this section.


I should be honest though, there was a small incident in March 2005, a suicide-bombing killed a British teacher at the Doha Players Theatre, shocking for a country that had not previously experienced acts of terrorism. The bombing was carried out by Omar Ahmed Abdullah Ali, an Egyptian residing in Qatar, who had suspected ties to Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. This was the first and only such incident to take place, and hopefully the last.

The country will not tolerate drugs, prostitution or any other illegal act.

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I am speaking about terrorist threats. People were scared that the England-USA match was going to be a terrorist threat. But South Africa being so far away from everything there was no need to be worried.

However Qatar being closer to more dangerous countries like, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen could be a negative for their bids. Plus the large amount of ilegal immigrants is worry some.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:29 AM   #1384
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[QUOTE=Qatar Son 333;62606823]Indeed.

Qatar ranks 15th in the Global Peace Index (Highest in the Arab world)

South Africa ranked 121st (and they hosted 2010 WC ?)
Brazil ranks 83rd (and they are hosting 2014 WC ?)

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Qatar ranks 22nd in the Corruption Perceptions Index (Highest in the Arab world)

South Africa ranks 55th (and they hosted the 2010 WC ?)
Brazil ranks 75th (and they are hosting the 2014 WC ?)

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Qatar's Homicide rate is 0.77 per 100,000 (2004, most recent) 5th lowest in Arab World.

South Africa Homicide rate is 37 per 100,000 (2009, most recent) 2010 WC ??
Brazil Homicide rate is 25.2 per 100,000 (2007, most recent) 2014 WC ??


So if South Africa & Brazil were given the World Cup with these rates and ranks, I think Qatar has the green light in this section.


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Who cares about that. Murder rates are obviously not a factor when it come to Fifa's dcisions..

People in 2nd world countries are looking for money. With a lot of spendy tourist coming for abroad robbery will be the number one crime being taking place. Nothing more. Nobody got killed in South Africa, but their were a lot of robbery's which is understandable, the same will happen in Brazil and Russia if they get it. Just stay out of bad areas, favela, townships etc.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:38 AM   #1385
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I am speaking about terrorist threats. People were scared that the England-USA match was going to be a terrorist threat. But South Africa being so far away from everything there was no need to be worried.

However Qatar being closer to more dangerous countries like, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen could be a negative for their bids. Plus the large amount of ilegal immigrants is worry some.
Trelawny, Its just football, not politics, the country is willing to have Israeli's compete if they hosted the summer Olympics.

in fact, we had Israeli athletes in Qatar before.

The Israeli Tennis player Shahar Peer came and played in Doha in 2008, and you know what was symbolic ? the fact that she came into the tennis court wearing traditional Qatari clothes.

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We hosted Doha 2010 IAAF Indoor Championships, an Israeli athlete came !! but this time with his flag



So we had them come here, and in public... I do not recall any death threats, mass protests, suicide bombings or anything similar. In fact, nobody bothered.

We had a Brazil vs England friendly match last November and it went great with no problems at all.


And we will have another friendly this November, this time however it will be Brazil vs Argentina.

What Illegal immigrants ? never heard of any. Sources/proofs please.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:40 AM   #1386
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Did the Qatar bid committee or the govt come up with any indication abt visa waivers for foreign visitors visiting the country for the tournament just like what Russia proposed ?
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:45 AM   #1387
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Did the Qatar bid committee or the govt come up with any indication abt visa waivers for foreign visitors visiting the country for the tournament just like what Russia proposed ?
I am not sure yet, but from what i could tell, the Government is pushing for unified GCC tourist visa (very good step).

found some more info on crime rates.

"25 burglaries take place per 100,000 inhabitants here whereas the global average is 100 per 100,000 people."
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:48 AM   #1388
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I am not sure yet, but from what i could tell, the Government is pushing for unified GCC tourist visa (very good step).
what is GCC ? I may have heard this term before
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Old August 26th, 2010, 06:53 AM   #1389
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what is GCC ? I may have heard this term before
GCC = Gulf Cooperation Council

Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopera...es_of_the_Gulf


We will soon have a unified currency
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Old August 26th, 2010, 10:01 AM   #1390
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Did the Qatar bid committee or the govt come up with any indication abt visa waivers for foreign visitors visiting the country for the tournament just like what Russia proposed ?
GCC citizens doesn't need visa to enter Qatar, All european and north American countries can get visa at Doha Airport within 5 minutes of their arrive, after the terrorist operation in Dubai, Qatar stopped give visa at airport for these countries (Germany, USA, UK, Australia, Netherlands) their citizens need to apply 2 weeks before coming to Qatar from Qatar Embassies
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Old August 26th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1391
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Trelawny, Its just football, not politics, the country is willing to have Israeli's compete if they hosted the summer Olympics.

in fact, we had Israeli athletes in Qatar before.

The Israeli Tennis player Shahar Peer came and played in Doha in 2008, and you know what was symbolic ? the fact that she came into the tennis court wearing traditional Qatari clothes.

Source

We hosted Doha 2010 IAAF Indoor Championships, an Israeli athlete came !! but this time with his flag



So we had them come here, and in public... I do not recall any death threats, mass protests, suicide bombings or anything similar. In fact, nobody bothered.

We had a Brazil vs England friendly match last November and it went great with no problems at all.


And we will have another friendly this November, this time however it will be Brazil vs Argentina.

What Illegal immigrants ? never heard of any. Sources/proofs please.
You said this already. And everybody thought it was stupid and pointless already, correction, everybody thought it had no effing relevence to the World Cup.

How is someone wearing 'national clothes' symbolic?
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Old August 26th, 2010, 01:31 PM   #1392
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I think you're being a little harsh Will.That is obviously quite symbolic.I'd also like to thank the Qatari posters for putting up with our scepticism in a reasonably civil manner.
I think Qatar could probably handle security ok(money tends to solves these things) and its quite obvious they are working very hard to allay everyones fears but at the end of the day we all know its not a technically compliant bid.
Qatar's climate change solutions may well work but wouldn't everyone feel a whole lot better about it if the system had been proven over a few years in the same conditions blah blah blah,rather than accepting some blokes cartoon image as being fact!
And of course I would prefer the country had completed a dress rehearsal with a far smaller event like the Summer Olympics such as every other bidder -England,Australia,USA,Spain,Russia,Holland,Japan,Korea,
How the hell would Qatar deal with 2 million visitors as Germany had in '06-they simply couldn't,and there seems to be climate change plans in place for stadiums and some walkways but what if people want to actually see a bit of the country--its 45degrees absolutely positively.What the bid team are saying is-we think we can provide a few spots that will be comfortable but please don't leave you're hotel room to go anywhere else or you'll fry.
If the bid was shared across the GCC once the magical climate change solution had been proven over time then I think you have a case,that is if you had a far bigger national population than 200,000 which it currently is but until then I think a far more acceptable Middle East bid belongs to Egypt

Surely money can't be the sole determining factor in this as we see with Aspire and also the Nationalising of athletes to win Qatar gold medals in the Olympics
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/art...SA-footballers
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How many stadiums can provide Qatar for hosting the World cup?
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Old August 26th, 2010, 04:55 PM   #1394
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I think you're being a little harsh Will.That is obviously quite symbolic.I'd also like to thank the Qatari posters for putting up with our scepticism in a reasonably civil manner.
I think Qatar could probably handle security ok(money tends to solves these things) and its quite obvious they are working very hard to allay everyones fears but at the end of the day we all know its not a technically compliant bid.
Qatar's climate change solutions may well work but wouldn't everyone feel a whole lot better about it if the system had been proven over a few years in the same conditions blah blah blah,rather than accepting some blokes cartoon image as being fact!
And of course I would prefer the country had completed a dress rehearsal with a far smaller event like the Summer Olympics such as every other bidder -England,Australia,USA,Spain,Russia,Holland,Japan,Korea,
How the hell would Qatar deal with 2 million visitors as Germany had in '06-they simply couldn't,and there seems to be climate change plans in place for stadiums and some walkways but what if people want to actually see a bit of the country--its 45degrees absolutely positively.What the bid team are saying is-we think we can provide a few spots that will be comfortable but please don't leave you're hotel room to go anywhere else or you'll fry.
If the bid was shared across the GCC once the magical climate change solution had been proven over time then I think you have a case,that is if you had a far bigger national population than 200,000 which it currently is but until then I think a far more acceptable Middle East bid belongs to Egypt

Surely money can't be the sole determining factor in this as we see with Aspire and also the Nationalising of athletes to win Qatar gold medals in the Olympics
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/art...SA-footballers
Aspire is specialised at picking up talented young kids from countries world wide, in addition to selecting the talented Qatari athletes and their sports according to their abilities. Money cant get a large strong national team and athletes, but it could start a base in which more would come up in the future. and thats what the country is doing.

Its not like the Australian teams different than Qatar, many large teams around the world have nationalized players... and Qatar (with a small local population) should be expected to do such a thing. unlike the larger teams.

Remmeber Egypt 2010 WC bid ??? they got 0 votes even the Egyptian Abo Rida FIFA Executive committee member didn't vote for his own country, there most have been something terribly wrong with their bid.

Oh come on, there are various places that fans could go Museums, malls, theme parks, water parks, cultural and heritage districts, desert safari, sand dune bashing etc. The locals are used to it, but for the fans, most important is drinking plenty of water, wearing a hat and having sun block on also helps.

Qatar has hosted the Asian Cup & the Asian Games, not to mention hosting the Asian Cup again January 2011. Doha is bidding for the 2020 Olympics, And doesn't the Confederation cup test the preparedness of the host country ?

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How many stadiums can provide Qatar for hosting the World cup?
Currently, the plan is to have 12 stadiums for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.
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"Its not like the Australian teams different than Qatar"

Sorry mate but at the moment there are 15 of your 29 current players that are nationalised for Qatar.Everyone playing for Australia was born in Australia
As for test events-I'd prefer that they were held before the vote not after it.All the other bidding nations have had experience in the very biggest events.Australia has been lucky enough to host 2 brilliant Olympics in different cities where both football finals had over 100,000 in attendance
Qatar needs to stop trying to buy success on the back of Africa,they are devaluing the Olympics and the World Cup.
Following the present line that Qatar has taken with Neethling and Shoemann $20 million will get you 20 gold medals or a guaranteed place at the 2014 World Cup.
Other countries can afford it but choose not to because its just wrong.
Having said that there is nationalising of players around the world but usually they have some bloodlines attached to that country

Believe me ,I'm trying to be civil about all this-I just think its wrong on so many counts
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"Its not like the Australian teams different than Qatar"

Sorry mate but at the moment there are 15 of your 29 current players that are nationalised for Qatar.Everyone playing for Australia was born in Australia
As for test events-I'd prefer that they were held before the vote not after it.All the other bidding nations have had experience in the very biggest events.Australia has been lucky enough to host 2 brilliant Olympics in different cities where both football finals had over 100,000 in attendance
Qatar needs to stop trying to buy success on the back of Africa,they are devaluing the Olympics and the World Cup.
Following the present line that Qatar has taken with Neethling and Shoemann $20 million will get you 20 gold medals or a guaranteed place at the 2014 World Cup.
Other countries can afford it but choose not to because its just wrong.
Having said that there is nationalising of players around the world but usually they have some bloodlines attached to that country

Believe me ,I'm trying to be civil about all this-I just think its wrong on so many counts
1.Tim Cahill-Samoan
2.Harry Kewell-English
3.Mark Viduka-Croatian
4.Jason Culina-Croatian
5.Ned Zelic-Croatian
6.Mark Schwarzer-German
7.Carl Valeri-italian
8.Vince Grella-Italian
9.John Aloisi-Italian
10.Mark Bresciano-Italian
11.Simon Colosimo-Italian
12.Mile Sterjovski-macedonian
13.Archie Thompson-New Zealander&Papuan
14.Ufuk Talay-Turkish
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1.Tim Cahill-Samoan
2.Harry Kewell-English
3.Mark Viduka-Croatian
4.Jason Culina-Croatian
5.Ned Zelic-Croatian
6.Mark Schwarzer-German
7.Carl Valeri-italian
8.Vince Grella-Italian
9.John Aloisi-Italian
10.Mark Bresciano-Italian
11.Simon Colosimo-Italian
12.Mile Sterjovski-macedonian
13.Archie Thompson-New Zealander&Papuan
14.Ufuk Talay-Turkish
The difference is they came over as children and became citizens with their families before they were elite or yet to even play the game and are products of the Australian soccer system. Australia is an immigrant nation, it's common for 1st generation Australians to play Soccer as it's the game they know as oppossed to Australian Rules Football.

Australia has not waited till a player have become elite then seduce them with money to switch allegiance.
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1.Tim Cahill-Born in Australia, English and Samoan ethnic background.
2.Harry Kewell-Born in Australia, English ethnic background.
3.Mark Viduka-Born in Australia, Croatian ethnic background.
4.Jason Culina-Born in Australia, Croatian ethnic background.
5.Ned Zelic-Born in Australia, Croatian
6.Mark Schwarzer-Born in Australia, German ethnic background.
7.Carl Valeri-Born in Australia, German Italian background.
8.Vince Grella-Born in Australia, Italian ethnic background.
9.John Aloisi-Born in Australia, Italian ethnic background.
10.Mark Bresciano-Born in Australia, Italian and Croatian ethnic background.
11.Simon Colosimo-Born in Australia, Italian ethnic background.
12.Mile Sterjovski-Born in Australia, Macedonian ethnic background.
13.Archie Thompson-Grew up in Australia, Maori ethnic background.
14.Ufuk Talay-Born in Australia, Turkish ethnic background.
What was the point of posting your list when _X_ already explained they were all born in Australia?
Only Archie Thompson wasn't born in Australia, but he emigrated at a young age with his parents and family, and was an Australian citizen long before he was considered for the national team. Some of the players in the Qatar national team been in the country less than five years!

Unlike Qatar, which has a huge number of expatriates who work in poor conditions on temporary visas, migrants to Australia are for the most part allowed to settle and become Australian citizens. Qatar only grants citizenship in extreme cases, including when it wants a sportsman to join the Qatar national team.

It totally devalues international competition and I can't stand it.

I know it happens in other countries as well, but to nowhere near the same extent as Qatar.
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Well that sets me straight aswell, I'm happy to admitt I have no idea how many of Australia's squad were born in Australia or migrated with their families as children.
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1.Tim Cahill-Samoan
2.Harry Kewell-English
3.Mark Viduka-Croatian
4.Jason Culina-Croatian
5.Ned Zelic-Croatian
6.Mark Schwarzer-German
7.Carl Valeri-italian
8.Vince Grella-Italian
9.John Aloisi-Italian
10.Mark Bresciano-Italian
11.Simon Colosimo-Italian
12.Mile Sterjovski-macedonian
13.Archie Thompson-New Zealander&Papuan
14.Ufuk Talay-Turkish
oh my god 14 players that too much for large country like Australia how they compare Australia with Qatar lol
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