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Old September 10th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #1601
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8 without Qatar vote which becomes ( 9 votes )

I will not mention about our our strong ally France and the possibility of exchange votes between Qatar and England.

there is also a secrecy on convention between Qatar and Paraguay in 18 August 2010.

Dont forget there 3 votes (Japan, Korea, USA) will go for it is countries

so we are talking about 12 votes (include France, England, Paraguay)

12 votes will divided on Australia(?), Japan(with 1 vote already), Korea(with 1 vote already), USA(with 1 vote already), Qatar(with 9 votes already).
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Old September 10th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #1602
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Is it safe to say that Brazil bribed with some sort of eg. gas-related projects to Petrobras in exchange for one vote to Qatar lol
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Old September 10th, 2010, 07:47 PM   #1603
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Is it safe to say that Brazil bribed with some sort of eg. gas-related projects to Petrobras in exchange for one vote to Qatar lol
who said bribed it is PR you cant say these 8 countries is bribed.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 11:35 PM   #1604
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who said bribed it is PR you cant say these 8 countries is bribed.
There are 24 votes and this being FIFA, you can say pretty safely that 23 of them will be bribed. The only vote that won't be bribed will be for the guy who abstains and he will have actually been bribed to abstain, but since he didn't vote it doesn't technically count as a bribed vote.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 11:43 PM   #1605
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:18 AM   #1606
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Who are the 8 votes ?
Nigeria
Egypt
Cameroon
Ivory Coast
Thailand
Switzerland

Conmebol will vote USA
Interesting, why do you think Thailand and Switzerland will vote for Qatar ???
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:25 AM   #1607
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Btw,how long have Qatar had such a deep military relationship with Iran and why does Qatar support their Nuclear program??
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Qatar is known to support many sides at the same time. sort of a neutral nation, we have a good relationship with Iran not to mention our Emir visiting Iran last week and Ahmedinajad in Qatar a few days ago. in addition to having what is regarded as the largest American air-base in the world in Qatar. so the situation is not clear, but what is clear is the country is looking for good relations with everyone.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #1608
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With the pilgrims being a one-way moving pack, travelling across Mecca for thirty days seeking entertainment, the overcrowding regularly resulting in stampedes and deaths and worshippers being accommodated in tents; why not?
And the troll is back....

since more than one member commented on the weird comparison, I will reply.

The stampedes occurred during the last part of the pilgrimage, this involved 3-3.5 million moving at the same direction at various speeds which caused many problems, a solution to this is instead of having 1 level, was changed to 3 levels so after this project, barley heard any bad news occur, and this is why Qatar is teaming up with a Swiss company to develop solutions for logistics and transport the same company did for FIFA 2010, this should be good news, and its impossible that Qatar will get 3-3/5 million for the world cup, 0.7-1.5 million seems realistic.

Another is that not the entire part of the pilgrimage is done at the tent city side, only half, so the first half has to have 3-3.5 million accommodated in Makkah city by hotels, motels, apartments etc. so its still an incredible strain on the hotel industry, I don't see how Qatar cant provide at least what was provided for the South African world cup which was around 100K, Qatar is proposing 110K by 2022.

Did anyone wonder what these visitors eat during their stay ? considering that the city will have to feed 3-3.5 million which is way higher than the local population of 1.7 million... Qatar cant cater for 0.7-1.5 million ?? and this is when the county will have 3 million as its population.

Yes Doha is a big gulf city, why not ? Considering that the Gulf cities are Abudhabi, Dubai, Manama, Dammam, Kuwait and Doha....

The new Doha international airport will open in 2011, and it will be able to handle 50 Million annually. Having near by major hubs such as Dubai International airport (40 million annually) and Al Maktoum International (160 million Annually) is beneficial for the Qatari bid not to mention other airports around Qatar such as Bahrain internatonal, Abu Dhabi and Dammam.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #1609
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who said bribed it is PR you cant say these 8 countries is bribed.

What is this PR bullshit?
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Old September 11th, 2010, 02:00 AM   #1610
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What is this PR bullshit?
Public relations . The bid isnt just about The bid committee and FIFA, but the government and how the other governments and football associations of the world and their economies relate to the bid.

Brazil for example, on of the worlds most important Footballing nations is supporting Qatar 2022, we could expect a vote from them, not to mention that they are looking for investment's and opportunities to work in Qatar, we already secured a deal for steel this year, and maybe Brazilian companies will be building the Stadiums for the 2022 Bid, who knows.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 02:01 AM   #1611
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No need to introduce yourself in a vain attempt to refute my sharp assertion.
You so called sharp assertion is nothing but a fools comment.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 02:21 AM   #1612
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since your not being serious, Ignore. who said anything about 300million visitors ?

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Qatar Airways official airline for 2022 bid

The Qatar 2022 Bid Committee yesterday announced Qatar Airways as the official airline of the bid that aims to bring the Fifa World Cup to the Middle East for the first time.
“Qatar Airways’ commitment to quality and hospitality reflects the values our country is proud of,” said Hassan al-Thawadi, CEO of the Qatar 2022 Bid Committee. “The rapid expansion of Qatar Airways is a reflection of the rise of Qatar on the world stage, which we hope to take to the next level by bringing the World Cup here in 2022. We are proud to announce this partnership with our nation’s best-known and most visible global corporate flag-carrier. It is further evidence of the unity in Qatar at both corporate and community levels.”
Qatar Airways’ support for the 2022 bid will encompass a wide-ranging campaign, including promotions on the in-flight entertainment system as well as the airline’s Oryx magazine and in and around Doha International Airport. Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar al-Baker said: “Qatar Airways is very proud to be involved in the historic bid to bring the Fifa World Cup to Doha. We at the airline take pride in working with our local partners on initiatives that will raise the profile of the State of Qatar on the global stage. As a 5-star airline, serving 92 destinations spanning six continents, we are in an enviable position to provide world-class service to all those who will visit Qatar for the games, and our network will expand even further over the next 10 years.”
The sponsorship deal follows on from last week’s announcement of Qatar National Bank as the official bank of the bid.
Fifa’s inspection team, headed by Harold Mayne-Nicholls will touch down in Doha on September 14 to begin their three-day inspection visit. Qatar is the final bidding nation on the inspectors’ schedule. Fifa’s Executive Committee will vote for the hosts for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups on December 2 at the Fifa headquarters in Zurich, Switzerland.


On a side note, Emirates airline which happens to be a sponsor of the FIFA is our neighbor this should be good.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 02:32 AM   #1613
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Qatar is most competitive country in the Middle East

INTERNATIONAL. Qatar tops the MENA rankings, followed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, according to the World Economic Forum's (WEF) Global Competitiveness Report 2010-2011.

Switzerland remains the world's most competitive economy, while the United States has fallen from second to fourth after losing the top spot last year. Sweden, in second spot, and Singapore in third leapfrogged the United States.

Qatar, ranked 17th, enters the top 20 this year and reaffirms its position as the most competitive country in the MENA region, the WEF said.

With a projected growth rate of 18.5% for 2010, the country is the fastest-growing economy in the world, as well as one of the wealthiest, it said.

Qatar's strong competitiveness rests on solid foundations made up of a high-quality institutional framework, ranked 10th overall, a stable macroeconomic environment (8th), and an efficient goods market (12th).

Low levels of corruption and undue influence on government decisions, high government efficiency, and excellent security are the cornerstones of the country’s solid institutional framework, the report said

Compared with many other economies, the country was relatively unharmed by the global economic crisis, with its growth rate slowing to 9% in 2009, down from 16.4% in 2008. This high growth, combined with prudent government support for the financial sector, contributed to maintaining macroeconomic and financial stability, the report concluded.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #1614
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Qatar is most competitive country in the Middle East

INTERNATIONAL. Qatar tops the MENA rankings, followed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, according to the World Economic Forum's (WEF) Global Competitiveness Report 2010-2011.

Switzerland remains the world's most competitive economy, while the United States has fallen from second to fourth after losing the top spot last year. Sweden, in second spot, and Singapore in third leapfrogged the United States.

Qatar, ranked 17th, enters the top 20 this year and reaffirms its position as the most competitive country in the MENA region, the WEF said.

With a projected growth rate of 18.5% for 2010, the country is the fastest-growing economy in the world, as well as one of the wealthiest, it said.

Qatar's strong competitiveness rests on solid foundations made up of a high-quality institutional framework, ranked 10th overall, a stable macroeconomic environment (8th), and an efficient goods market (12th).

Low levels of corruption and undue influence on government decisions, high government efficiency, and excellent security are the cornerstones of the country’s solid institutional framework, the report said

Compared with many other economies, the country was relatively unharmed by the global economic crisis, with its growth rate slowing to 9% in 2009, down from 16.4% in 2008. This high growth, combined with prudent government support for the financial sector, contributed to maintaining macroeconomic and financial stability, the report concluded.
More money equals more bribes or "gifts." This isn't directed at Qatar bring unseemly or anything of the sort, but at FIFA and their method of operation. To ignore the nature of FIFA in these bids is impossible.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 03:28 AM   #1615
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Arab World population = 360 Million & 22 Nations

Oceania Population = 38 Million & 15 Nations......

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Arab World population = 360 Million & 22 Nations

Oceania Population = 38 Million & 15 Nations......
Yeah, you could do it that way but how many in the Arab world are real potential customers. This is a national bid, not a geopolitical regional bid. Alergia doesn't host in your bid, only Qatar. Obviously same for New Zealand not hosting but Australia. If you want to cling to regional sizes you may forget that Australia has territory in and is lightyears more involvment in South East Asia then with Oceania nations like Tahiti, Easter Island or Palau. Thats 593 million people just above Australia who all fit into our shared timezone (not to mention Japan, Korea and the whole of China) where over one hundred thousand Australians live and work.
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when people start saying "xxx will vote for us because we have yyy deal with the country", they need to look at the voting history of FIFA delegates

they are a law onto their own, and usually act in their own interest, not their national interest

I know in the last vote the Oceania delegate went against the intent of his confed and national federation to vote against the intentions of both (after initially saying he would be following their line).

most delegates also have a history of promising their vote to multiple bids, and then breaking a few hearts at the last minute. this is set to continue again in my opinion. Qatar are hearing they have commitments from 9 votes, AU is hearing they have about 11, and I think the USA is hearing similar - that math doesn't make sense, and indicates the old game in on again
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Old September 11th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #1618
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Yeah, you could do it that way but how many in the Arab world are real potential customers. This is a national bid, not a geopolitical regional bid. Alergia doesn't host in your bid, only Qatar. Obviously same for New Zealand not hosting but Australia. If you want to cling to regional sizes you may forget that Australia has territory in and is lightyears more involvment in South East Asia then with Oceania nations like Tahiti, Easter Island or Palau. Thats 593 million people just above Australia who all fit into our shared timezone (not to mention Japan, Korea and the whole of China) where over one hundred thousand Australians live and work.
No body claims that Asian having the most viewers for the world cup in the world is not true.

the reason why I raised the population number and countries situation was because I referred that the Middle East & North Africa should get a world cup, and then some one replied with "so does Oceania" So I had to do a comparison on the population of these areas. and the number of countries according to OCA and Arab Football Federation.
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You said, Middle East - No North Africa mentioned.

If you do that we Include other countries.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 06:41 AM   #1620
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You said, Middle East - No North Africa mentioned.

If you do that we Include other countries.
Dude Arab countries are in the middle east & North Africa region

22 countries registered in the Arab Football Federation.
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