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Old September 14th, 2010, 04:25 PM   #1781
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If you have such a great passion for football, why not discover new frontiers? Why not seek the greater idea behind the Sport and its origins? Why not dream of achieving something together? What does it really mean to give it to Japan, Australia, or the U.S? And what could change by giving it to Qatar? I would like to see this amazing event unfold it power to unite. Shouldn’t a bid contain more than sightseeing? Qatar is like the belly button of the world. It allows short trips to a wide variety of other countries. Such things can all be provided, but when do you get a chance to make history. For the Game! For the World!
Yes, it should contain more than sightseeing, but that's not to say it should have no sightseeing - people need something to do between games, and hiding in their air-conditioned motel rooms isnt going to cut it. And I havent seen anything in this thread (or in other media) to convince me that Qatar can do a better job of delivering the rest than any other bid. They havent even shown us half their stadiums yet.

But just how does the 'greater idea behind the sport and its origins' translate to giving the world cup to qatar? The only reason I can see that the bid is still breathing is oil money and political support from arab-friendly nations. If this bid wins on that basis alone, it would be a sad day for the sport, don't you think?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 04:46 PM   #1782
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All bids have potential problems and challenges, but Qatar's are not, as far as I can see, surmountable. There's the difference.

Your problems - the size of your country, its small population, its geography, its climate, are not going to go away and leave Qatar with a much compromised bid plan compared with its rivals and compared with every past world cup. Our problems, on the other hand, are very fixable and are normal problems a potential world cup host faces.

I think by "flooding" you mean "rain" by the way. It hardly ever floods in London, but it is quite often raining.
Correct Rob,but as I see it,the inability to technically comply with the basic hosting criteria is the killer blow.Its not an Olympic bid.
Forget the average 53degrees(I was astounded when I saw that fact the other day)or the daylife, nightlife issues for travellers it is simply ILLEGAL to attend 2 games in 1 day or more than 7 in total.Why you ask?Its FIFA regulation because these 64 matches are just too precious to devalue it to the point where the same 150,000 people see 15 matches each.These matches are usually almost impossible to get a TST to let alone a swag of other tickets.This is because the demand always outstrips supply.

Not only this-thousands and thousands turn up at fan fests.Was in Nurnburg in '06 where 80,000 English came over for the day to go to the fan fest.That type WILL NOT go to Qatar
Australia will definitely be aiming to have more foreigners at the fan fests that at the stadiums,thats the way World Cups are going.Germany had 18 million at fan fests,South Africa had fan fests everywhere.I passed 3 large ones on the foreshore walking to the stadium in Durban.
Brazil is ideally suited to fan fests as are all the bidders for 2018 where the theme will continue to expand.
A good livesite experience is almost as good as being at the match.Qatar can't offer this like everyone else.

Just face up to it-you are by population the 148th country,but if you count the locals only-who are the only ones that would be enjoying the World Cup (as the poor migrants who would need to continue to work) it takes it to 179th if you go off United Nations figures
I still can't believe Qatar is bidding by itself for this absolutely massive event
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Old September 14th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #1783
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #1784
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:32 PM   #1785
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As before, the nature of the event is not suited to a country like Qatar. This is unrelated to whether Qatar can successfully host suitable international events, which it has already proven.

Monaco hosts major sports events but is unlikely to be suitable to host an event of the nature of the Olympic Games, where as Doha would be suitable for an event of this nature.

In no way are the abilities or abilities of Qatar in question to stage major events.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:52 PM   #1786
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I still can't believe Qatar is bidding by itself for this absolutely massive event
You DONT have to believe, nobody is forcing you to believe, and you DONT HAVE to be visiting and discussing in this thread either. It is, after all, your choice. Isn't it ?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #1787
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You DONT have to believe, nobody is forcing you to believe, and you DONT HAVE to be visiting and discussing in this thread either. It is, after all, your choice. Isn't it ?
And it would probably be the choice of many foreign visitors NOT to come to Qatar in 2022.

So, like the Opening Ceremony of the Asian Games in Doha 2006, you had to use a couple of thousand immigrant Yemenis, Pakistanis, Syrians...just to hold those torches to spell "Peace Be Upon You." I guess you would have to import another 85,000 or so 'guest workers' just to fill the stands--and why BOTHER checking their credentials? You need the bodies there quickly.

Or not unless Qatar can pay for a software program that will make the empty stadia look full on TV screens across the world. Hey...there's an idea!!
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Old September 15th, 2010, 12:43 AM   #1788
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As before, the nature of the event is not suited to a country like Qatar. This is unrelated to whether Qatar can successfully host suitable international events, which it has already proven.

Monaco hosts major sports events but is unlikely to be suitable to host an event of the nature of the Olympic Games, where as Doha would be suitable for an event of this nature.

In no way are the abilities or abilities of Qatar in question to stage major events.
is this will change any thing to our goal !
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Old September 15th, 2010, 03:35 AM   #1789
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is this will change any thing to our goal !
It needs to change before a bid
Doha can never adequately host this absolutely massive event by itself-no way.This is not the Olympics,its far bigger
The main reason the Doha bid still survives is because Blatter has done a deal with Bin Hamman to allow him another term.That deal includes the opportunity for the inspection team to do an inspection and report and his vote if Doha make it to that point
Blatter cannot and will not impose on the other UEFA exco because the terms of his deal are simply regarding him.
It will not be his fault when the technical committee outline Doha's numerous deficiencies,thereby his deal will survive
I believe he would prefer the event in the USA although he would still follow his existing modus operandi by choosing the Asia Pacific bid
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Old September 15th, 2010, 05:01 AM   #1790
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Qatar banking on compact programme



Qatar Bid officials are quietly confident their compact World Cup programme will beat rival nations in the race to host the World Cup in 2022.
Bid Committee Chairman Sheikh Mohamed bin Hamad al-Thani said Qatar will fulfil all FIFA requirements on infrastructure, ranging from competition venues to accommodation and transport.
“Qatar will offer a compact World Cup with custom-built stadiums, cooled by state-of-the-art technology, in close proximity of each other,” said Sheikh Mohamed. “Our stadiums will not be more than one hour apart from each other and that would enable fans to watch more than one match on a single day.”

Qatar’s ambitious plan, Bid officials guarantee, will go beyond just the purpose of impressing the FIFA inspection team which arrived in Doha yesterday morning. And the country’s sports infrastructure will not have an adverse effect on the environment, communications director Nasser al-Khater said.
“If selected, Qatar 2022 will be the first completely carbon-neutral World Cup in history,” said al-Khater.

Qatar has allocated $4bn for 12 stadiums – all equipped with eco-friendly cooling system – to be used for the World Cup. Besides expanding three existing stadiums, Qatar plans to build nine new stadiums. Three of them will be of permanent nature, while five will be partly modular and one fully modular.

‘’This is part of Qatar’s Master Plan which will go forward, irrespective of the outcome of the bid,’’ he said.
Qatar’s strategic location in the Middle East will be another factor that would allow more fans to watch the World Cup.
“Qatar is right in the middle of the Middle East. Doha is fast developing into a major travel hub, which is well connected to cities in the neighbouring countries in the Gulf and beyond,” explained al-Khater, referring to the New Doha International Airport which is expected to be ready by next year. The airport will have a capacity to handle 50mn passengers a year.
He also assured the world that there would be adequate affordable accommodation options for travelling fans. “We do have affordable accommodations besides four- and five-star hotels,” he said.
Qatar’s hospitality industry currently offers around 50,000 rooms, while FIFA’s requirement is 60,000 rooms for a host country. “We will have rooms in excess of 90,000 by 2022. So there will be more affordable accommodations for travelling fans.”

Asked about safety issues, he said a long list of elite sporting events that Qatar have hosted over the years is proof that it is one of the safest places on earth.
Having successfully hosted FIFA Youth World Cup in 1995, the AFC Asian Cup in 1988, the Asian Games in 2006, Qatar also holds top-class events in tennis, gold and athletics. Qatar is also the host of the AFC Asian Cup next year.

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Old September 15th, 2010, 05:05 AM   #1791
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Where are the renders for the 6 other stadiums?

This oncebittentwice guy is a clown, and he wants Egypt to host a world cup without cooling technology. lol
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Old September 15th, 2010, 05:16 AM   #1792
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Qatar confident about honest World Cup bid

Qatar 2022 bid chairman Sheikh Mohamed bin Hamad al-Thani struck a confident note yesterday when he said the country’s “honest” attempt to bring the World Cup to the Middle East for the first time would not go in vain.
He was speaking as a six-member FIFA delegation landed in Doha yesterday to inspect Qatar’s facilities to host the mega event in 12 years’ time.
“We have been honest about our bid, honest about our stadiums, honest about the fact we will have no white elephants,” Sheikh Mohamed said
“We are being realistic about the need to meet FIFA’s requirements for the World Cup and also the Confederations Cup in 2021. We will show the world that Qatar is the best partner FIFA can have.”

The FIFA delegation is headed by Chilean Football Federation president Harold Mayne-Nicholls and includes 2010 World Cup local organising committee chairman Danny Jordaan, FIFA head of event management Jürgen Müller, media officer Wolfgang Eichler, FIFA marketing executive David Fowler and FIFA administrative executive Ryan Ravens.

Qatar is competing with Australia, Japan, South Korea and the US for the 2022 tournament. FIFA has already completed inspection visits to eight other bidding candidates and will decide the winning bids for both 2018 and 2022 World Cups on December 2.

Talking about Qatar’s stadium cooling technology, Sheikh Mohamed said:
“We have been honest about it. It is zero carbon and a test run in Al Sadd stadium has already proved that the technology does work. We can cool stadiums and we are now proving we can do it in an environmentally-friendly way."
“We will tackle it (the heat) head on and will be very successful.”
Mayne-Nicholls said he was touched by the warm reception upon the delegation’s arrival in Doha and promised a very objective report.
“For us, these couple of hours have been wonderful,” he said. “We’ll be trying to gather as much information as possible. A report will be prepared in a very objective way.
“And we’ll make sure the FIFA executive committee has every information on hand to take the final decision.”
The FIFA inspectors had a feel of the stadium cooling system when they were shown a prototype of a climate-controlled stadium, where cool air is pumped using second generation technology.

They completed the first day’s work by witnessing the Qatar Stars League match between Al Sadd and Al Rayyan at Al Sadd Stadium.

Today, the FIFA team will see presentations on Qatar’s infrastructure and development plans, including new public transportation networks that will help the country host the most compact World Cup in history.

The team will complete its tour tomorrow by attending a detailed presentation of eco-friendly stadiums that Qatar proposes to use for the tournament.
The FIFA inspectors will be taken to see the Khalifa Sports City which includes the Aspire Centre for Sports Excellence and Aspetar. They are also scheduled to visit Qatar’s Musuem of Islamic Arts.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #1793
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Where are the renders for the 6 other stadiums?

This oncebittentwice guy is a clown, and he wants Egypt to host a world cup without cooling technology. lol
The details will be reveals to the FIFA inspectors on Friday, lets hope the media will get access to it .
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14, 9, 2010. FIFA Inspection.


General view of a showcase stadium is seen during the FIFA Inspection Visit for the Qatar 2022 World Cup Bid in Doha September 14, 2010


General view of the showcase stadium is seen during the FIFA Inspection Visit for the Qatar 2022 World Cup Bid in Doha September 14, 2010.


Ambassadors to Qatar's 2022 World Cup bid, Serbian football coach Bora Milutinovic (L) and Argentine's former forward Gabriel Batistuta (R), are pictured at a football stadium during a tour by FIFA inspectors in Doha on September 14, 2010.


Qatar's 2022 World Cup bid chairman Sheikh Mohammed bin Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (5th L) and chief FIFA inspector Harold Mayne-Nicholls (6th L) pose for a picture with other officials during a tour at a football stadium in Doha on September 14, 2010. Mayne-Nicholls is on a three-day trip Doha to inspect Qatar's qualifications for their 2022 World Cup bid.


DOHA, QATAR - SEPTEMBER 14: Qatar 2022 Chairman Sheikh Mohammed bin Khalifa Al Thani, Chief FIFA inspector Harold Mayne-Nicholls and Wolfgang Eichler discuss Qatar's zero carbon, solar powered cooling technology for open-air stadiums during the FIFA 2022 World Cup bid inspection tour on September 14, 2010 in Doha, Qatar.


Qatar 2022 World Cup bid chairman Sheikh Mohammed bin Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (L) shakes hands with chief FIFA inspector Harold Mayne-Nicholls during a press conference in Doha on September 14, 2010.


FIFA inspectors tour a stadium on the first day of their Qatar's 2022 World Cup bid inspection trip in Doha on September 14, 2010.


Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup bid team unveil zero carbon, solar powered cooling technology for open-air stadiums to FIFA inspectors during the FIFA 2022 World Cup bid inspection tour on September 14, 2010 in Doha, Qatar.


Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup bid team unveil zero carbon, solar powered cooling technology for open-air stadiums to FIFA inspectors during the FIFA 2022 World Cup bid inspection tour on September 14, 2010 in Doha, Qatar.


Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup bid team unveil zero carbon, solar powered cooling technology for open-air stadiums to FIFA inspectors during the FIFA 2022 World Cup bid inspection tour on September 14, 2010 in Doha, Qatar.




Television screens display the temperature of the stadium during Alrayan vs Alsadd match at the Alsadd Stadium, proving that the cooling technologies are a success at the first outdoor air conditioned stadium in the world. Nobody would have thought a match could be played outdoor in Qatar's summer at 19 degrees Celsius.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:30 AM   #1795
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Had Qatar's cooling technology been used on a 70,000 capacity stadium before? I wonder how they account for the extra heat that so many people would create and how the technology would work in such a big space. It's one thing to say it can be done because computers say it can work, but doing it a whole other thing.
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Had Qatar's cooling technology been used on a 70,000 capacity stadium before? I wonder how they account for the extra heat that so many people would create and how the technology would work in such a big space. It's one thing to say it can be done because computers say it can work, but doing it a whole other thing.
Well they did it in a 15-20K seat stadium, and its the first outdoor air-conditioned stadium in the world. this is from the stadium last night:

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Television screens display the temperature of the stadium during Alrayan vs Alsadd match at the Alsadd Stadium, proving that the cooling technologies are a success at the first outdoor air conditioned stadium in the world. Nobody would have thought a match could be played outdoor in Qatar's summer at 19 degrees Celsius.
This is the stadium:



The pictures above however were for the second-generation technology which is carbon neutral and uses solar power, the same will be used in all the 12 stadiums for this bid.
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Considering the cooling technology is instrumental and the bid cannot go forth without it, I'm not sure how confident I am in it being an unknown quantity. Doing it for 15,000 is one thing, but will it work for a stadium that is 500% bigger? With it so vital, if I were FIFA, I'd want it proven to me that it can work before I even considering giving something as big as a World Cup.
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Considering the cooling technology is instrumental and the bid cannot go forth without it, I'm not sure how confident I am in it being an unknown quantity. Doing it for 15,000 is one thing, but will it work for a stadium that is 500% bigger? With it so vital, if I were FIFA, I'd want it proven to me that it can work before I even considering giving something as big as a World Cup.
The point is that it works, end of story. The fact that the temperature achieved was 19 (which was 8 degrees lower than the expected 27 degrees) is remarkable !!

not to mention having it being implemented at a 15-20K stadium at a real match with good attendance in addition to the FIFA inspectors being present at the match.

The difference however is that the technology they witnessed at the prototype "showcase stadium" is carbon neutral, using solar power. now the technology is being tweaked and developed to be used in wider more open areas such as fanfests/zones and training pitches. If it works, this wouldn't just serve the world cup, but the country as a whole, more outdoor areas will be air-conditioned and more people will be encouraged to go out.


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Why are you even here and commenting then ? besides, your not contributing to this thread either.
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^ It works at a 15k venue, but there's a big difference between 15k and 75-80k. Can you guarantee that it will work in such a large venue? Of course not. You can't guarantee it until it has been proven. Qatar would be well off to help install this technology at another large stadium, even if it's not in Qatar. Prove it can work in such a large venue if it's going to be instrumental to an entire bid because without it, there is no bid.
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