Combining Orlando and Daytona MSA's

urbanjim · January 30th, 2009, 04:28 AM

The Orlando-Kissimmee metropolitan area has sprawled east along I-4 to the point where it now connects directly with the Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach MSA. Sanford (in Orlando's MSA) and Deltona are like next-door neighbors; there's really a seamless transition between the two MSA's. Many workers and students commute between the two metros.
Therefore, I propose that the two metros ought to be offically combined into a single MSA. The "Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach MSA" would contain 2,537,000 people and be ranked 21st in the nation, just ahead of Denver.

hudkina · January 30th, 2009, 07:19 AM

That's not how it works... There's only two ways that Volusia County could become a part of the Orlando MSA. 1. The Orlando Urban Area becomes the largest within the County, or 2. At least 25% of employees in Volusia County commute to the core counties of the Orlando MSA.

As of 2000, there was nearly twice as many people in the Daytona UA as there was in the Deltona UA. That means that even if Orlando absorbed the Deltona UA into its own, it wouldn't automatically put Volusia County in the Orlando MSA. Also, only about 15% of Volusia County residents commuted to Seminole and Orange Counties as of the last census.

BTW, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but Orlando and Deltona/Daytona Beach already share a CSA.

urbanjim · January 31st, 2009, 01:09 AM

^Yeah, I'm aware of that.
But if Orlando and these other nearby cities are all seamlessly joined, (which they are), then they should really be considered one MSA. Just like everything from Homestead north to Palm Beach is one MSA (Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach). Since there isn't a logical dividing line between the two MSA's (Orlando's and Deltona's), so why keep them separate? To me, this is another example of what they did in California by separating LA and the Inland Empire, even though there is a seamless connection between the two. It's just more inconsistancy, in my mind anyway.

hudkina · January 31st, 2009, 01:24 AM

But it's different. The largest UA within Broward and Palm Beach Counties is the Miami UA, and that's why they are considered core counties of the Miami MSA. In Volusia County, the largest UA is the Daytona Beach UA which is completely separate from the Deltona UA. Again, even if the Deltona UA was absorbed by the Orlando UA, it wouldn't mean anything, because Daytona is still the largest UA within Volusia County. If the Los Angeles UA absorbed the Riverside-San Bernardino UA, then Riverside and San Bernardino Counties would join the Los Angeles MSA. That's not the case for Volusia County.

Because Daytona Beach is still the largest UA within Volusia County, regardless of whether or not the Orlando UA absorbs the Deltona UA, the only way for it to become a part of the Orlando MSA, is if 25% of the workforce of Volusia County commutes to Orlando.

Dank City · February 1st, 2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hudkina

Because Daytona Beach is still the largest UA within Volusia County, regardless of whether or not the Orlando UA absorbs the Deltona UA, the only way for it to become a part of the Orlando MSA, is if 25% of the workforce of Volusia County commutes to Orlando.

What he said.

January 30th, 2009, 04:28 AM	#1
urbanjim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St Louis, MO/IL Posts: 436 Likes (Received): 0	Combining Orlando and Daytona MSA's The Orlando-Kissimmee metropolitan area has sprawled east along I-4 to the point where it now connects directly with the Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach MSA. Sanford (in Orlando's MSA) and Deltona are like next-door neighbors; there's really a seamless transition between the two MSA's. Many workers and students commute between the two metros. Therefore, I propose that the two metros ought to be offically combined into a single MSA. The "Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach MSA" would contain 2,537,000 people and be ranked 21st in the nation, just ahead of Denver.

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January 30th, 2009, 07:19 AM	#2
hudkina Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 4,570 Likes (Received): 8	That's not how it works... There's only two ways that Volusia County could become a part of the Orlando MSA. 1. The Orlando Urban Area becomes the largest within the County, or 2. At least 25% of employees in Volusia County commute to the core counties of the Orlando MSA. As of 2000, there was nearly twice as many people in the Daytona UA as there was in the Deltona UA. That means that even if Orlando absorbed the Deltona UA into its own, it wouldn't automatically put Volusia County in the Orlando MSA. Also, only about 15% of Volusia County residents commuted to Seminole and Orange Counties as of the last census. BTW, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but Orlando and Deltona/Daytona Beach already share a CSA.

January 31st, 2009, 01:09 AM	#3
urbanjim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St Louis, MO/IL Posts: 436 Likes (Received): 0	^Yeah, I'm aware of that. But if Orlando and these other nearby cities are all seamlessly joined, (which they are), then they should really be considered one MSA. Just like everything from Homestead north to Palm Beach is one MSA (Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach). Since there isn't a logical dividing line between the two MSA's (Orlando's and Deltona's), so why keep them separate? To me, this is another example of what they did in California by separating LA and the Inland Empire, even though there is a seamless connection between the two. It's just more inconsistancy, in my mind anyway.

January 31st, 2009, 01:24 AM	#4
hudkina Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 4,570 Likes (Received): 8	But it's different. The largest UA within Broward and Palm Beach Counties is the Miami UA, and that's why they are considered core counties of the Miami MSA. In Volusia County, the largest UA is the Daytona Beach UA which is completely separate from the Deltona UA. Again, even if the Deltona UA was absorbed by the Orlando UA, it wouldn't mean anything, because Daytona is still the largest UA within Volusia County. If the Los Angeles UA absorbed the Riverside-San Bernardino UA, then Riverside and San Bernardino Counties would join the Los Angeles MSA. That's not the case for Volusia County. Because Daytona Beach is still the largest UA within Volusia County, regardless of whether or not the Orlando UA absorbs the Deltona UA, the only way for it to become a part of the Orlando MSA, is if 25% of the workforce of Volusia County commutes to Orlando.