LOS ANGELES - City of Industry Football Stadium (75,000)

[Livno80101]

i didn't met on roof over whole stadium, only for fans, so they can watch game without being disturbed by sun

[en1044]

Originally Posted by Livno80101

i didn't met on roof over whole stadium, only for fans, so they can watch game without being disturbed by sun

We know what you meant. Again, no roof is needed. If you knew anything about watching sports in Los Angeles you would know that. Please stop telling us how to build our stadiums, i think we have the process down pretty well.

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by en1044

We know what you meant. Again, no roof is needed. If you knew anything about watching sports in Los Angeles you would know that. Please stop telling us how to build our stadiums, i think we have the process down pretty well.

We already know.....You are better in everything...

But, this is an old fight, why don't you build other stadiums like Toronto Skydome (you could see the clouds from your seat )......

PS: remember all old stadiums in USA they had a roof for many of them ! I wonder what has happened ??

by the way I have a question: have you ever been in an european stadium (with an evil roof), because I know some US stadiums so I can compare....Can you ?

[rantanamo]

This is a stupid fight. There are plenty of roofed, retractable roofed and domed stadiums in the US. Its a design choice. Some places like LA have great weather, so no need for a roof. Places like Seattle or Phoenix have their reasons to have roofs, and their stadiums do have roofs. What is the big deal?

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by rantanamo

This is a stupid fight. There are plenty of roofed, retractable roofed and domed stadiums in the US. Its a design choice. Some places like LA have great weather, so no need for a roof. Places like Seattle or Phoenix have their reasons to have roofs, and their stadiums do have roofs. What is the big deal?

There is no big deal !
In Europe (and also in the rest of the world) we made the choice to cover all our stadiums (whatever the weather) !!!
From Beijing to Lisbon, from Oslo to Rio de Janeiro, From Moscow to Johannesburg, From Sydney to Sevilla, From Tokyo to Tunis, From Istanbul to Hong-Kong...Seoul, Jakarta, London, Melbourne, Berlin, St Petersburg, Dublin, Montreal, Mexico City, Barcelona, Paris, Kiev, Cap Town, Pyongyang Abu Dhabi, Vancouver.....etc....

[en1044]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

There is no big deal !
In Europe (and also in the rest of the world) we made the choice to cover all our stadiums (whatever the weather) !!!
From Beijing to Lisbon, from Oslo to Rio de Janeiro, From Moscow to Johannesburg, From Sydney to Sevilla, From Tokyo to Tunis, From Istanbul to Hong-Kong...Seoul, Jakarta, London, Melbourne, Berlin, St Petersburg, Dublin, Montreal, Mexico City, Barcelona, Paris, Kiev, Cap Town, Pyongyang Abu Dhabi, Vancouver.....etc....

You are certainly trying to make it a big deal. Great...you just listed a bunch of cities. Am I supposed to care? You made the choice to add them despite the weather? Woohoo! More power to you. Despite your best efforts, and your stereotypical view of Americans, I'm not offended by your ability to be different than the United States.

However...

Do you even know why there is a tradition of putting roofs on in Europe but not over here? Go look that up, then things might make a little more sense to you.

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

We already know.....You are better in everything...

But, this is an old fight, why don't you build other stadiums like Toronto Skydome (you could see the clouds from your seat )......

PS: remember all old stadiums in USA they had a roof for many of them ! I wonder what has happened ??

by the way I have a question: have you ever been in an european stadium (with an evil roof), because I know some US stadiums so I can compare....Can you ?

My God you are stuck up!

I never said I was better than you, I just said that we dont like roofs. It doesnt rain here, theres no need for them. We only use them where they are needed. I dont think roofs are evil. if you want to put one on your stadium then so be it. I dont care, just dont go and tell me that I need one just because you do. I never said that you shouldnt have roofs did I? No!

I see you are new here, so I'll let you know that most people aren't going to put up with your stereotypical view of the world. Assuming that I think I'm better than you just because I'm American is pretty dumb. There have been plenty of people like you who have gone the way of the Dodo on SSC.

[ryebreadraz]

There was a proposal to build a stadium in downtown LA in the late 90's and the preliminary design had a roof. The majority of people opposed it because they wanted to enjoy the 70 degrees and sun that LA usually offers and the design was later changed to one without a roof before the proposal failed. The majority of us in LA do not want a roof.

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by en1044

You are certainly trying to make it a big deal. Great...you just listed a bunch of cities. Am I supposed to care? You made the choice to add them despite the weather? Woohoo! More power to you. Despite your best efforts, and your stereotypical view of Americans, I'm not offended by your ability to be different than the United States.

However...

Do you even know why there is a tradition of putting roofs on in Europe but not over here? Go look that up, then things might make a little more sense to you.



My God you are stuck up!

I never said I was better than you, I just said that we dont like roofs. It doesnt rain here, theres no need for them. We only use them where they are needed. I dont think roofs are evil. if you want to put one on your stadium then so be it. I dont care, just dont go and tell me that I need one just because you do. I never said that you shouldnt have roofs did I? No!

I see you are new here, so I'll let you know that most people aren't going to put up with your stereotypical view of the world. Assuming that I think I'm better than you just because I'm American is pretty dumb. There have been plenty of people like you who have gone the way of the Dodo on SSC.

I never said all american stadiums must be covered, I said some stadiums are covered (like in all world).I mentioned the Skydome because it can be entirely opened.

Maybe I'm new here but I had the time (....before) to travel in the world...even in USA and I think my opinion is far from stereotypes.
I'm sorry if you understood it like that, I have nothing against you personally but I suggest you to travel a little more. I think you're too much touchy and I tried to make understand it to you !

[JYDA]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

There is no big deal !
In Europe (and also in the rest of the world) we made the choice to cover all our stadiums (whatever the weather) !!!
From Beijing to Lisbon, from Oslo to Rio de Janeiro, From Moscow to Johannesburg, From Sydney to Sevilla, From Tokyo to Tunis, From Istanbul to Hong-Kong...Seoul, Jakarta, London, Melbourne, Berlin, St Petersburg, Dublin, Montreal, Mexico City, Barcelona, Paris, Kiev, Cap Town, Pyongyang Abu Dhabi, Vancouver.....etc....

In certain countries roofs are an absolute necessity and in other places they are not. In Europe, roofs have always been standard fare in northern leagues such as England but much more of a recent phenomenon in places where they are more luxury than necessity. It is becoming that way as they become an architectual norm for football stadia but climate still is a big indicator as to whether a roof is a necessity or a luxury. In Spain for instance, roofs are a very recent phenomenon because the warm and dry climate has never made them a necessity. Of the 20 teams in La Liga, 11 only have roofs over their VIP stand as is mandated by FIFA while leaving the rest of the stadium exposed. You see the same thing in warm and dry climates across southern Europe. In Italy there are indeed a lot of crap run down stadiums but the new and renovated stadiums built in southern Italy don't bother with roofs. Just look at Messina, Reggina and Palermo to name a few. Greece is much the same. New stadiums with the necessary budget will incorporate them but most stadiums in Greece remain roofless.

[Kutscher_LA]

The City of Walnut has filed a law suite against Majestic and the City of Industry mainly saying that the Environmental Impact Report doesn't sufficiently addresses all concerns (traffic, views, glare, noise, ect.). It likely will put the project on-hold. We'll see.

[Ganis]

people bitch to much.

[Nysp]

Los Angeles should have their own Maracanã!

[Ganis]

Its own what?

[ryebreadraz]

Originally Posted by Ganis

Its own what?

Maracana. I think he means a gigantic stadium like Brazil has in Rio.

[Ganis]

hmmm.... I thought they had 2 already. Coliseum and Rose Bowl

[ryebreadraz]

Originally Posted by Ganis

hmmm.... I thought they had 2 already. Coliseum and Rose Bowl

We do. Too bad neither is of high enough quality for the NFL. If only our city council weren't composed of idiots and we'd already have our stadium. It'd be beautiful, right in the heart of downtown and have been open for about 6 years now.

[Ganis]

What movies had the stadium that was going to be build out in the LA Harbor?

[michał_]

Originally Posted by en1044

You are certainly trying to make it a big deal. Great...you just listed a bunch of cities. Am I supposed to care? You made the choice to add them despite the weather? Woohoo! More power to you. Despite your best efforts, and your stereotypical view of Americans, I'm not offended by your ability to be different than the United States.

However...

Do you even know why there is a tradition of putting roofs on in Europe but not over here? Go look that up, then things might make a little more sense to you.

Thank God you are doing so good without steretypes
I can easily recall you mentioning some time ago that watching the gridirons in winter, with snowfall, doesn't bother Americans, they don't need roofs. Over here, snowfall, rainfall, soaring heat or even heavy winds are the reasons for covering stadiums. The sole fact that the whole world apart from USA moved on to roofed stadiums doesn't make the world, as you put it, "able to be different than the USA". It makes USA different than the rest of the world. And as much as you may like it (are entitled to) - you are the odd ones (treat it positively or negatively) in the bunch, not the rest odd compared to you. It's a choice everyone can take, you made it, ok.

Originally Posted by JYDA

In certain countries roofs are an absolute necessity and in other places they are not. In Europe, roofs have always been standard fare in northern leagues such as England but much more of a recent phenomenon in places where they are more luxury than necessity. It is becoming that way as they become an architectual norm for football stadia but climate still is a big indicator as to whether a roof is a necessity or a luxury. In Spain for instance, roofs are a very recent phenomenon because the warm and dry climate has never made them a necessity. Of the 20 teams in La Liga, 11 only have roofs over their VIP stand as is mandated by FIFA while leaving the rest of the stadium exposed. You see the same thing in warm and dry climates across southern Europe. In Italy there are indeed a lot of crap run down stadiums but the new and renovated stadiums built in southern Italy don't bother with roofs. Just look at Messina, Reggina and Palermo to name a few. Greece is much the same. New stadiums with the necessary budget will incorporate them but most stadiums in Greece remain roofless.

You are correct apart from the part about "recent phenomenon". It's neither recent for Spain, nor is it for Italy or Greece. And in some places it's not about climate neccessities, but more about, as you put it, budget. USA remains the only country with the budget and without the will to cover the grounds. There's no rush as long as their games are concerned - as you've said, it's a choice. But for World Cup internationals that may be a factor for FIFA (I'm far from saying it could be decisive). I don't recall ONE person I talked to that would be happy about World cup in Rose Bowl and it's alikes. Reliant, Arizona State, Cowboys, Lucas Oil or even the likes of Qwest Field are in my omain closer to being chosen for the sole reason they have a roof. Though, of course, it doesn't have to be decisivie, after all stadium is just one of infrastructural criterias and it's roof is just part of it...

[JYDA]

Originally Posted by michał_

You are correct apart from the part about "recent phenomenon". It's neither recent for Spain, nor is it for Italy or Greece.

That depends what you consider to be "recent". The only fully roofed stadiums in Greece were built or renovated within the last 7 years. Finding a full roof in Spain 15 years ago was like a needle in a haystack.

[en1044]

Originally Posted by michał_

Thank God you are doing so good without steretypes
I can easily recall you mentioning some time ago that watching the gridirons in winter, with snowfall, doesn't bother Americans, they don't need roofs. Over here, snowfall, rainfall, soaring heat or even heavy winds are the reasons for covering stadiums. The sole fact that the whole world apart from USA moved on to roofed stadiums doesn't make the world, as you put it, "able to be different than the USA". It makes USA different than the rest of the world. And as much as you may like it (are entitled to) - you are the odd ones (treat it positively or negatively) in the bunch, not the rest odd compared to you. It's a choice everyone can take, you made it, ok.



You are correct apart from the part about "recent phenomenon". It's neither recent for Spain, nor is it for Italy or Greece. And in some places it's not about climate neccessities, but more about, as you put it, budget. USA remains the only country with the budget and without the will to cover the grounds. There's no rush as long as their games are concerned - as you've said, it's a choice. But for World Cup internationals that may be a factor for FIFA (I'm far from saying it could be decisive). I don't recall ONE person I talked to that would be happy about World cup in Rose Bowl and it's alikes. Reliant, Arizona State, Cowboys, Lucas Oil or even the likes of Qwest Field are in my omain closer to being chosen for the sole reason they have a roof. Though, of course, it doesn't have to be decisivie, after all stadium is just one of infrastructural criterias and it's roof is just part of it...

Take a look at stadiums in north and south america and see how many have a roof.

We arent the only ones.

"sole fact"...?

not quite.