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Old May 15th, 2005, 11:06 AM   #1
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Maglev for Central and Eastern Europe

Check this map from Transrapid:



more here:
http://sciencereloaded.com/forum/vie....php?p=110#110

more about Maglev:
http://sciencereloaded.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7
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Old May 15th, 2005, 11:08 AM   #2
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Wow.....travelling time is superb......excellent.....
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Old May 15th, 2005, 11:11 AM   #3
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Old May 15th, 2005, 11:20 AM   #4
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Old May 15th, 2005, 01:17 PM   #5
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awesome, but only dreams....
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Old May 15th, 2005, 06:13 PM   #6
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awesome, but only dreams....
Exactly, never going to happen.
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Old May 15th, 2005, 06:25 PM   #7
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Its happening in Karachi why NOT Europe?
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Old May 15th, 2005, 06:42 PM   #8
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In Germany we have a saying: "You don't get charged for dreaming."
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Old May 15th, 2005, 07:14 PM   #9
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Impossible because the cost of this per country is going to be billions. For Europe it's going to be trillions.
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Old May 15th, 2005, 07:32 PM   #10
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With low-cost carriers increasing frequencies to many cities throughout Europe, is it economically feasible to spend billions building a maglev line instead of upgrading airports to handle the increased capacity?
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better built TGV that can reach 400-500/h and not such dream-maglev-train-line. it's good for short distances between airports or something like that.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 02:47 AM   #12
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With low-cost carriers increasing frequencies to many cities throughout Europe, is it economically feasible to spend billions building a maglev line instead of upgrading airports to handle the increased capacity?
Trains are still the perfered method of traveling within Europe IIRC.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 09:28 PM   #13
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^The perfered method will allways be the one that is not too long, and is cheaper.
If the plane is cheaper, people will opt for the plane.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 11:55 PM   #14
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Maglev costs a lot of money, so will anyone be willing to finance such a huge investment when there are cheaper alternatives available, such as air (discount carriers) and conventional high-speed train? What about an ICE- or TGV-style network into Central and Eastern Europe?
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The problem about regular high-speed trains is, they are very expensive to operate at very high speeds. Whereas the cost of a regular train due to scuffing increase exponentially, they stay the same for maglev trains like the Transrapid. Due to that reason, I would doubt you could operate a TGV or ICE network at 400 or 500km/h, even though they are able to reach these speeds.

I also have read somewhere, that building Transrapid tracks isn't much more expensive, if even, than building regular high-speed tracks. Of course I don't know how reliable that source was, especially course of the lack of actually build maglev track to this point.
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There are not TGVs and ICEs in Eastern Europe
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Old May 17th, 2005, 10:00 AM   #17
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I would doubt you could operate a TGV or ICE network at 400 or 500km/h, even though they are able to reach these speeds.
This simple comparison may be helpful:
To reach 100km/h (60mph) your car needs some 35-40 HP
200km/h - 120-130 HP
300km/h - some 330 HP, like Ferrari
400km/h - 1000 HP, Bugatti Veyron

Maglev doesn't have to fight friction, but at high speeds air resistance is growing exponentially. What the producer says about operating costs also may not be entirely true. Today it surely is not profitable to operate any conventional rail system at speeds higher than 300 (350) km/h.
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Old May 17th, 2005, 10:03 AM   #18
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There are not TGVs and ICEs in Eastern Europe
That's why it doesn't matter if we build fast rail or Maglev. We should build what will finally cost less and bring a profit.
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Old May 18th, 2005, 01:10 AM   #19
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Japanese have plans to run the shinkansen trains (rail) at 400 km/h.
Also, modern TGV/ICE's are being built for speeds of 350km/h (see Spain for example, although they aren't operating at 350km/h yet).
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well I don't see this nor a highspeed rail in the near future.
I would want to, but it's not feasible IMO.
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