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Old June 5th, 2005, 07:20 PM   #221
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Old June 5th, 2005, 07:46 PM   #222
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Old June 5th, 2005, 10:01 PM   #223
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So I guess the red mini busses are more like taxis?
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Old June 5th, 2005, 10:09 PM   #224
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Red buses are privately owned, while Green buses are public. In the Red buses, they dont have the scanner for the Octopus Cards and you can either pay before or after you reach your destination.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 06:06 AM   #225
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Buses on the road to ruin
Dennis Chong
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June 6, 2005

KMB chief reveals a third of routes are in the red with fares freeze and warns against more rail lines

Hong Kong's biggest bus operator has called for an overhaul of public transport, saying heavy reliance on rail has created a dilemma for bus companies that must keep unprofitable routes running while not raising fares.

John Chan, the managing director of Kowloon Motor Bus, said in an interview with The Standard that about 140 routes, or one-third of the company's 420 routes, have become a money-losing burden and the government should go slow on developing new rail lines.

"You [have] already poured so many resources [into rail]. Is it really economically effective? Railways are expensive. The capital investment is high," he said.

He would not say if an increase in fares - which have been frozen since 1997 - is imminent, but he warned that the entire community will have to pay the price in the long-run. "I won't bother talking about it [a fare adjustment] because we all know we will fail," Chan said.

The former civil servant and one-time member of the Executive Council said the rapid development of rail routes in recent years has created a tough business environment for KMB.

Under the government's long-term transport strategy, rail will form the backbone of public transport.

With the commencement of several major rail lines since 2000 - such as West Rail, the Tsim Sha Tsui East Rail Extension, the Tseung Kwan O Line and Ma On Shan Rail - the market share for all franchised buses has dropped from 38.1 percent to 35.5 percent, according to the Transport Department.

For example, Ma On Shan Rail alone took away 80,000 passengers a day from KMB, equivalent to HK$100 million annually, according to the company.

Rail lines "cannot create new demand" but create redundancy, Chan said. He warned that an "oversupply" will be harmful to the community.

"It does not do any good to passengers and the society as a whole. In the long term, passengers as a whole will have to bear [the problem]."

Previously, he said, the government built rail lines in order to make new residential areas accessible to a growing population.

However, Chan said the newer lines directly target the core markets of bus companies in urban areas. As a result, the KMB fleet has been reduced from 4,400 vehicles to about 4,000 in recent years to cut costs.

Although the company made a profit of HK$730 million last year, that was far from satisfactory for a listed company, Chan said.

"Our rate of return is about 5-6 percent," he said.

"We understand that with a franchise system, the business risks are lower. But it does not mean no risk."

To offset pressures in Hong Kong, KMB is investing in China and is building five luxury residential blocks at the site of an old bus depot in Lai Chi Kok. They are due for completion early next year.

Rising oil prices, high wages, and tunnel costs have all kept operational costs high, Chan said.

He described the Eastern Harbour Tunnel Company as "lucky" because arbitration allowed it to significantly raise fares - a whopping 67 percent - after winning its case in 2002.

On a government proposal to adjust bus fares according to the consumer price index, Chan said, a fair mechanism is needed to incorporate all costs.

"Can the CPI reflect the oil prices?" he asked.

Regarding environmental issues, Chan said KMB has done a lot to reduce roadside emissions.

He described the KMB as running ahead of other transport operators in environmental protection. Environmentalists have complained that diesel-run buses are emitting harmful gases such as nitrogen oxides and respirable suspended particulates, which penetrate the lungs.

According to recent estimates, buses, along with diesel trucks, contributed 90 percent of roadside pollution.

Chan said as road users, buses are the most efficient.

"Each bus is about 12 metres long. This equals to 2.4 Lexus models or three Mini Coopers. If we say the emissions from buses are greater than a Lexus, but are they bigger than nearly five Lexus models combined? A car can hold three people, a bus can hold at least 70."

Chan said his bus fleet is "close to the best in the world" when it comes to environmental standards.

The future of KMB, which was founded in 1933 and is the oldest bus company in Hong Kong, will heavily depend on its mainland business, he said. Currently, it has joint ventures in cities such as Tianjin, Shenzhen, Dalian, Wuxi and Beijing.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 09:17 AM   #226
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KMB deal ends 4-year pay freeze
Benjamin Wong
7 June 2005
South China Morning Post

Bus operator KMB struck a deal with its drivers yesterday that will end a four-year pay freeze.

It agreed to pay drivers and other staff on a daily salary a 2 per cent pay rise and a $250 bonus. Staff on monthly salaries will get the same rise in September.

The Kowloon Motor Bus Company said the rise would cost it $60 million a year.

The deal applies only to permanent staff. More talks will be held about the pay of contract staff.

The deal marked the end of negotiations that began in December.

Before yesterday's meeting, the company proposed a rise of 1.7 per cent for all 12,000 workers, which was a step up from a previous offer of 1.5 per cent. But two unions had separately demanded 3 per cent and 5 per cent.

The unions said they had reluctantly accepted the company's offer because they felt they would not be able to get a better offer if they continued bargaining.

New World First Bus and Citybus gave their staff a 2 per cent pay rise earlier this year.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 06:06 AM   #227
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There aren't that many single decker buses in Hong Kong, but here are some photos by "靜夜" from a Hong Kong transport forum :



































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Old June 9th, 2005, 06:13 AM   #228
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LCQ3 : New bus fare adjustment mechanism need to balance different interests
Wednesday, June 8, 2005
Government Press Release

Following is a question by the Hon Tam Yiu-chung and a reply by the Secretary for the Environment, Transport and Works, Dr Sarah Liao, in the Legislative Council meeting today (June 8) :

Question :

Will the Government inform this Council:

(a) why it has not yet put forward a proposal on the public transport fare adjustment mechanism suggested by the Secretary for the Environment, Transport and Works in 2003, which would allow fares to go up or down, the latest progress of the proposal and whether it will be aborted;

(b) of the details of the discussions held with the public transport operators on the formula for calculating fares under the above mechanism and whether a consensus will be reached on the formula; and

(c) in the event that the above mechanism cannot be introduced, of the measures to monitor public transport fares to ensure that they are reasonable and within the affordability of the public?

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Madam President,

Bus fares have a direct impact on the public livelihood. At the same time, the operating cost and return of bus companies, which are private companies providing public services, and their quality of service, etc. are involved. It is not uncommon that in the past, during both the times of economic growth or downturn, the level of bus fare adjustment is often the subject of debate amongst persons with different views.

In the light of the above, in August 2003, we informed the Legislative Council Panel on Transport of the Government's plan to improve the existing adjustment mechanism of bus fares by introducing a formula factor so that prevailing economic conditions and operating costs of the bus companies could be reflected more objectively in the mechanism. The new mechanism would allow increase as well as reduction in bus fares and bring in a more transparent adjustment process.

The Government has all along been actively discussing with the franchised bus operators on this fare adjustment mechanism. But since the introduction of a new mechanism involves complex issues including public interests, affordability of the community, economic conditions and operating costs of the bus companies, we have spent some time to handle the matter carefully with a view to striking the right balance of different interests.

In fact, we have been using the concepts announced earlier as the basis of our discussion with the bus companies on how to refine the operation of the new mechanism. We have been making progress in the discussion and it is expected that the implementation details will be ready within this year.

I wish to point out that the new adjustment mechanism for bus fares will take into account public interests and the Government will give due consideration to public affordability. We will also consider the operating condition of bus operators such that they will be able to provide efficient bus services with good quality to the community.

As for railway services, adopting a more objective and transparent fare adjustment mechanism is one of the key parameters set by the Government of the merger discussion between the MTR Corporation Limited and Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation. We are discussing the issue with railway corporations in detail with a view to reaching a consensus as soon as possible.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 08:09 AM   #230
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Cut-price bus fare talks haven't stalled
Michael Ng
9 June 2005
Hong Kong Standard

The details of the long-awaited fare adjustment mechanism for franchised buses can be endorsed by the end of the year, the transport chief told legislators Wednesday.

At the Legco meeting, lawmakers were worried that the mechanism, proposed by Secretary for the Environment, Transport and Works Sarah Liao when she took up her post in 2003, was stalled or even scrapped after the franchised bus operators failed to agree on terms with the government.

But Liao said the government and bus companies have made progress in talks.

She expected details of the mechanism, which allows fares to rise or fall in line with inflation or deflation, will be finalized by the end of the year.

"I wish to point out that the [adjustment of] bus fares will take into account the public interest, and that the government will give due consideration to [what people can afford],'' Liao said.

"We will also consider the operating conditions of bus operators [so they can continue to provide] efficient services to the community.''

Tam Yiu-chung, vice-chairman of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, said bus operators had cancelled most fare concessions.

Many transport operators have reduced or scrapped their fare concessions. Has the government noticed these moves and acted against them?'' he asked.

Liao responded that most of the concessions were launched during the economic downturn, and the bus companies have restored fares after their operational costs returned to normal, along with the economic recovery.

But she vowed to continue talks with operators about maintaining concessions to passengers, even though operators are experiencing rising fuel costs and wages.

The government would try to encourage operators to continue offering concessions if it does not put further pressure on their operating costs, or if the concessions could attract more passengers.

``We hope we can create a win-win situation for operators and the public,'' Liao said.

She added that fare adjustments are also being discussed with the MTR Corporation and Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation. Even though the government remained the major shareholder of MTR Corporation after its stock market listing, the corporation has autonomy, Liao said.
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June 13, 2005
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Bus route diversion to relieve heavy traffic

To relieve the heavy traffic in Causeway Bay triggered by new traffic arrangements, two franchised bus routes will be diverted to skip stops on Lockhart and Gloucester Roads.

Deputy Commissioner for Transport Lau Ka-keung said routes No.2 (Eastern District bound) and No.70 (Aberdeen bound) will be diverted from 4.30pm today to skip stops on those roads.

The diversion, which will last until June 15, can reduce the weaving movement of buses cutting across four lanes on Gloucester Road.

The diversion of the two routes will take place at different time periods. For Route 2, the diversion period started from 4.30pm today and will run continuously until the last departure on June 15. For Route 70, it will be only from 4.30pm to the last departure daily on June 13, 14 and 15.

The affected bus stops will have notices posted and bus operators have sent staff on site to help passengers.

Signage improvement

In view of public feedback and site observations, traffic signs will be improved to contain more information, the Highways Department's Major Works Project Management Office Project Manager Adrian Ng said.

"For example, the eastbound lane on Gloucester Road leading to Causeway Bay and North Point has been under utilised this morning. Additional wordings advising motorists that the lane can lead to both Causeway Bay and North Point has been added to the signs.

"It is hoped that the maximising of this traffic lane will alleviate the traffic flow of the other eastbound lanes."

Mr Lau said traffic at Causeway Bay was busy and sometimes congested in the morning of the first working day after implementation of the traffic arrangements to facilitate the reconstruction of Causeway Bay Flyover.

Co-ordination centre

The department will closely monitor traffic conditions in the next few days through the Emergency Transport Co-ordination Centre.

Mr Lau advised motorists to familiarise themselves with the traffic diversion scheme, drive carefully, observe the traffic signs and road markings and follow Police advice.

Motorists are also advised to listen to traffic broadcasts. Appropriate traffic aids have been erected to guide motorists and notices have been displayed by bus companies to advise passengers of the changes.

The new traffic arrangements will last two years. For details click here or visit the Transport Department's website. Enquiries can be made on 1823 or 2804 2600.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 04:34 AM   #232
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Old June 15th, 2005, 07:04 AM   #233
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When are the old fashion bus fully retiring??
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Old June 15th, 2005, 09:30 AM   #234
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when you say old fashioned do you mean the non air-con buses
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Old June 16th, 2005, 03:29 AM   #235
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Yea.....the yellow one with the red top.
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Old June 16th, 2005, 05:06 AM   #236
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they aren't really old fashioned. there are some buses without A/C that are newer than some with A/C.

yes they get rid of a batch when a batch of new golden buses come. they are usally sold to other countries. mainly england where it isn't as hot and buses don't need A/C
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Rerouting and Bus Stop Relocation of KMB Bus Services in Wan Chai North
KMB Press Release

To tie in with the reconstruction work at the Victoria Park Road Flyover and the traffic lane rearrangements on Gloucester Road/Victoria Park Road, with effect from Saturday, 11 June 2005, Route 307 [Central (Central Ferry Piers) ←→ Tai Po Central] will be rerouted to operate via Gloucester Road, instead of Harbour Road, on its journeys to Tai Po. The bus stops outside the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and Wan Chai Swimming Pool will be cancelled, while a new bus stop will be added at Gloucester Road outside Immigration Tower.

In addition, with effect from Monday, 13 June 2005, Route 914X [Nam Cheong Station → Causeway Bay (Tin Hau)] and Route 948P [Cheung On → Causeway Bay (Tin Hau)] will be rerouted to operate via Fleming Road, Wan Chai Ferry Pier Bus Terminus, Fleming Road, Gloucester Road, Victoria Park Road, Victoria Park Road Flyover, and Gloucester Road. The bus stop of Route 914X on Harbour Road opposite Sun Hung Kai Centre and the bus stop of Route 948P on Convention Avenue near the Wan Chai Ferry Pier will be cancelled. A new bus stop for the routes will be added at Wan Chai Ferry Pier Bus Terminus.
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