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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #521
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To be honest, Hong Kong is one of the cleaner cities in the world, especially considering its high pedestrian volume.

There's something to be said for public education. From what I hear from my mum, HK today is a lot cleaner than it was 30 years ago.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:13 AM   #522
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Well, idealism vs. reality. There are a lot of trash bins in New York City, and it still has dirty streets. A street with no trash bins in Japan can still be spotless.
So its all about educating then?

Nevermind education, I say we propose a 50 year jail term for litterers, that'll teach the bastards to litter
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So its all about educating then?

Nevermind education, I say we propose a 50 year jail term for litterers, that'll teach the bastards to litter
I don't think harsh punishment alone can deter people from crimes, major or petty. Education is key. You can slap a fine for every single crime in existence, but if people aren't brought up thinking it's wrong, they'll still try to do it and get away with it.

That's why Japan can be so spotless without a draconian justice system. No need to persecute anyone there.
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KMB fails to take high ground on fares
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Thursday, October 18, 2007

The government said yesterday an application by Kowloon Motor Bus for a 9 percent fare rise is still being reviewed but said it is on the "high" side.

Secretary for Transport and Housing Eva Cheng Yu-wah said the review, to be completed in six months, will take into consideration a basket of factors under the fare-adjustment mechanism.

Lawmakers and the Transport Advisory Committee will be consulted before the chief executive and the Executive Council decide, she told legislators.

The Democratic Party's Lee Wing- tat tried to move a motion in the Legislative Council transport affairs panel urging the application be rejected.

He said the 9 percent increase far exceeds the 2 to 2.5 percent inflation rate.

"KMB is making money every year and it is not under any pressure to raise bus fares. This rise is insane. The company did not cut fares in times of deflation but increases fares in times of inflation. Is this socially responsible behavior?" Lee asked.

He said the government should use the fare adjustment formula and affordability as primary factors in its review. Under the mechanism, implemented last year, fares are set using factors such as inflation, acceptability, service quality and quantity, operating costs, revenue and financial performance.

Lee also called for more concessions for the handicapped and the elderly as well as single-day or monthly passes.

His motion failed to pass as 13 functional constituency lawmakers in the transport panel abstained from voting.

A KMB official said its application is based on rising oil costs and wages.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 05:32 PM   #525
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搭969出城
10月 28日 星期日 05:10AM

【明報專訊】看看手表,時間是凌晨零時48分,還有兩分鐘趕尾班車,必須用「九秒九」速度跑到巴士站,即使已工作了一整天,其實已很累……眼前一輛黃色城巴駛近,不得了,是969!希望巴士司機會等一等。

「嘟」,八達通扣了20.7元,心想﹕真夠運,今天不用坐1時10分開出的N969通宵線,省回10.3元。

969,由銅鑼灣直達天水圍南第一個站——天耀鸷,需時約50分鐘,沿途可飽覽青馬大橋和汀九橋的迷人夜景,但對於車上的「天水圍人」來說,美景早已看慣,漫長車程倒是爭取小睡的好時光。

天水圍,背負覑「悲情城市」之名,失業、綜援、新移民、自殺、虐兒、精神病……所有「弱勢社群」的特徵,彷彿變成全部天水圍人的特質,這個標籤,對於區內每日早出晚歸,一如其他香港人一樣努力工作養活家庭的天水圍人來說,似乎太沉重。

天水圍人都是領取綜援的嗎?根據統計處2006中期人口統計報告,天水圍新市鎮有26.9萬人口,有43%就業,當中三成人每天要乘搭巴士或鐵路出市區謀生。天水圍家庭平均收入,較一般家庭平均低了足足3500元,月入只有1.38萬元,但不至於「悲情」,區內大學生也有1.7萬人,佔該區人口的6.3%。

在眾多「出城」巴士線中,969打通港九新界,由外間眼中極為偏遠甚至「荒蕪」的天水圍,經大欖隧道、三號幹線及西隧,直達港島最繁華的地區,每日接載逾1萬名出市區打工的天水圍白領和更多的藍領。

清晨乘客光鮮 直達商業區

969的日與夜有強烈對比,早上7時至8時,車上絕大部分都是衣著光鮮的辦公室一族,也是天水圍城內被視為較「上等」的居民,他們大多在中上環及灣仔一帶寫字樓上班,當中亦有不少社會領袖,與記者一樣自初中開始已見證這社區變遷的政務官「以諾」,便是其中一個。

以諾是典型以自己努力建立事業的「天水圍人」,年近30,對天水圍社區有特殊的濃厚感情,外間把天水圍形容為悲情城市,月前發生倫常慘案的一家更是他的左鄰右里,他感受尤深。

「天水圍需要的是同路人」

「很多天水圍人,一如我及我很多的朋友,也是在這裏健康成長,我不是說單憑我的經歷可以推翻很多天水圍的問題,但我認為,將天水圍塑造成悲情城市既不能反映事實,對社區亦無好處!」以諾在他的網誌道出心聲。

「天水圍需要的除了是資源,天水圍的家庭,更需要愛、希望和平安,這些是金錢買不到的!他們需要的,是同路人!」

沒錯,同路人,可以是來自不同社會階層。

早上乘969出港島上班的多是白領,11時以後「出城」打工餬口的卻換上另一班勞動階層,當中包括許多巴士司機、永遠拖覑一大箱「開檔工具」的電訊推廣員(「俗稱寬頻仔」),以及從事不同類型服務行業的年輕人。在中午時分的969,不時會傳來陣陣午餐味道,有時是漢堡、薯條,有時是腸粉魚蛋,又或是油雞飯。

周日逛銅鑼灣 「崇光邊度落」

「司機,銅鑼灣崇光第幾個站落呀?」周末假日的969又是另一番景象,不少乘客都是一家大小「出城」閒逛的基層家庭,但他們對港島區並不熟悉,在車內不時會聽到有人用半鹹淡的廣東話問路,銅鑼灣通常是「出城見識」的第一站,但付出的車資頗貴,一家四口兩大兩小,來回車費合共120元,不是很多家庭可以負擔。

巴士由偏遠的新界西市鎮駛進繁華的高級消費區,途經IFC國際金融中心、金鐘太古廣場和銅鑼灣崇光百貨,到處都是五光十色的購物天堂,多少天水圍家庭曾遊歷過這條旅遊線,不得而知,只知近年內地自由行旅客已懂得預訂位天水圍內的酒店,省下房租盡情購物,969變成他們的旅遊專車。

他們雖然同樣操普通話,但不像很多新移民家庭一樣「出城」那樣「驚驚青青」,而是往往在車上高談闊論,晚上回程總是一袋二袋「戰利品」,高興極了。

今年暑假的一個晚上,又是尾班969,當大部分乘客低頭打瞌之時,上層傳來少女的聲音:「我見工時超驚呀!好彩我著短裙咋!鱓北妹個個超低胸,好搏呀!幾驚佢唔請呀……係私人K場,好高級鮁,最低消費都幾千,我估唔會撞到friend躀?……主要陪下飲酒傾偈囉,放工後mark鐘就自己決定……」

穿超短迷你裙的天水圍少女,透過手機與友人大談見工經驗。悲情?當晚幾乎滿客的969上,她只是其中一人。

正如以諾說,天水圍需要的,是關愛和平安,不是標籤。

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HONG KONG | Double Decker Buses

Continuing from the previous thread : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=80477, Part 2 will continue to showcase Hong Kong's buses, featuring photos, news, and discussions.

Hong Kong's 3 main bus companies are :

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NWFB (although Citybus and NWFB are now partners)



Over a decade ago, there used to be another operator, China Motor Bus, which lost its routes to NWFB. Here are some historic TV footage and coverage of the event.




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I don't think partners is the right word, they belong to the same parent company hence they are different arms of the one company.
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the two essentially just run as one company although each holds a separate license.
they share depot, share staff, coordinate with routes (cutting service), switch vehicle, etc etc. everything they can do to maximize the combined profit from both companies. eventually, passengers are the loser.
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I don't think each company's buses can interchangeably be used for the other's routes yet.
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I don't think each company's buses can interchangeably be used for the other's routes yet.
You are right. You don't see an official NWFB's bus runs a CTB's route or vice versa. By law, the two companies are still two separated license holders on franchised route.

What happened is NWFB can transfer one of its vehicle to CTB, and CTB transfer back one vehicle back to NWFB (vice versa as well.) This isn't as free as a company policy to switch vehicles as they like, the process still has to go through Transport Department to un-register and re-register the owner. But the buses are still interchangeable between two companies without problem.

CTB buses fleet no. 1041 and 1042 were owned NWFB as VA63 and VA64; the two buses were transfered to CTB and swapped two single-deckers back into the NWFB fleet because NWFB had a need for single-decker. There has been a few other transfer of vehicles between two in the last few years.

Some of the renovated CTB vehicles actually are equipped with the standard NWFB purple seats and green hand-rail inside. It's one obvious thing that everyone can notice as sharing of materials.
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You are right. You don't see an official NWFB's bus runs a CTB's route or vice versa. By law, the two companies are still two separated license holders on franchised route.

What happened is NWFB can transfer one of its vehicle to CTB, and CTB transfer back one vehicle back to NWFB (vice versa as well.) This isn't as free as a company policy to switch vehicles as they like, the process still has to go through Transport Department to un-register and re-register the owner. But the buses are still interchangeable between two companies without problem.

CTB buses fleet no. 1041 and 1042 were owned NWFB as VA63 and VA64; the two buses were transfered to CTB and swapped two single-deckers back into the NWFB fleet because NWFB had a need for single-decker. There has been a few other transfer of vehicles between two in the last few years.

Some of the renovated CTB vehicles actually are equipped with the standard NWFB purple seats and green hand-rail inside. It's one obvious thing that everyone can notice as sharing of materials.
1041 and 1042 or now as they are 9041 and 9042, were never owned by NWFB, CMB deceided to hold on to VA62 and VA64, not sure of the fleet numbers, in turn CTB gave CMB a Volvo B6LE Jit Luen Body. NWFB never got more single deckers, they actually got rid of alot, the Enviro order will be the first fleet addition to the NWFB in a long time.

you will also notice at some bus stops with not that many routes, CTB and NWFB will share a pole one with a larger company stop with another one that is smaller of the other company
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