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Old April 17th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #621
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Citybus is getting there with most of its fleet purchased between 1992-1995 when it took over number of routes from CMB. The 17 years life span is approaching. I can see the company will order massive number of buses in the next few years.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 05:46 PM   #622
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Some of those Citybus Olympians are awful black smoke emitters. Luckily the newer buses on the Kowloon side are not as polluting.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:33 PM   #623
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Some of those Citybus Olympians are awful black smoke emitters. Luckily the newer buses on the Kowloon side are not as polluting.
There was a joke about this black smoke a few years back by a KMB engineer saying this black smoke meets the environmental standard. Which is true.
Even they look bad, but the smoke composition has less harmful PM. Your body can filter out the visible large PM, but not the invisible tiny PM. The smoke certainly doesn't look pleasant, but it is healthier in some way.
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There was a joke about this black smoke a few years back by a KMB engineer saying this black smoke meets the environmental standard. Which is true.
Even they look bad, but the smoke composition has less harmful PM. Your body can filter out the visible large PM, but not the invisible tiny PM. The smoke certainly doesn't look pleasant, but it is healthier in some way.
Was that engineer talking about the Euro II standard emmission? Fortunately, you basically don't see much smoke after Euro III or above.
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Citybus is getting there with most of its fleet purchased between 1992-1995 when it took over number of routes from CMB. The 17 years life span is approaching. I can see the company will order massive number of buses in the next few years.
17-year lifespan? Why were Leyland Victory II and Daimler Fleetine purchased in 1976-1979 still in service in 1997 in both CMB/KMB?

For your reference, Buses in ETS/ Winnipeg Transit/ Saskatoon Transit were normally phase out when it reaches 25 years old, in 2000-2007.
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Some of those Citybus Olympians are awful black smoke emitters.
A/C Leyland Olympians and A/C Dennis Dragons.

Leyland Olympians and early batches of Dennis Dragons are expected to be phased out in 2010.

Dennis Dragons of later batches are expected to be phased out in 2011-2013.

Dennis Dragons... I think the gearbox used in Dennis Dragons were very similar to Dennis garbage trucks.
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Old April 19th, 2008, 07:32 PM   #627
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Was that engineer talking about the Euro II standard emmission? Fortunately, you basically don't see much smoke after Euro III or above.
I think so. It was back in around that time near end of Euro II era.
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17-year lifespan? Why were Leyland Victory II and Daimler Fleetine purchased in 1976-1979 still in service in 1997 in both CMB/KMB?

For your reference, Buses in ETS/ Winnipeg Transit/ Saskatoon Transit were normally phase out when it reaches 25 years old, in 2000-2007.
Oops... I read the message wrong.
I believe there is a life span restriction today in HK to keep the vehicle ages young and meet the more recent environmental standard. I read 17 in the message and thought that were 17, didn't mean to say that is what it is.

But even so, the operators utilize their vehicles in a much more efficient way these days than they and CMB used to be, which also wear out the vehicles much quicker than used to.
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Merged webpage for both Citybus and New World First Bus, https://www.nwstbus.com.hk. It is still vaild if you still type www.citybus.com.hk and www.nwfb.com.hk, they will redirect to the new webpage.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 02:56 PM   #630
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When is the Citybus (excluding Airport and N. Lantau) franchise expired?
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KMB Press Release:
KMB Reuses and Recycles Scrap Metal as Signs
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Gov't Press Release:
LCQ11: Using low-platform buses to provide bus service

-- We still have to wait for serveral years for fully low-floor buses service in urban and most part of the NT.
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By the way, how much further until the KMB roster is 100% AC equipped, as it is now that there are some routes that still don't have AC such as (32B) and some that are pretty new to the AC (32M or 43C), even though in the past 12 months, several KMB services have been made guaranteed-AC?
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By the way, how much further until the KMB roster is 100% AC equipped, as it is now that there are some routes that still don't have AC such as (32B) and some that are pretty new to the AC (32M or 43C), even though in the past 12 months, several KMB services have been made guaranteed-AC?
Goal is looking at 2009 or 2010 now. But who knows what will happen by then, it has been delayed since 2006 anyways.
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Also keep in mind that the non-AC fleet is primarily used on routes serving lower income areas, so to them, sitting on a hot bus to save a few dimes is not a bad option at all. However, there are no longer any non-AC buses plying the cross-harbour routes (although some do pass the Lion Rock Tunnel).
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Also keep in mind that the non-AC fleet is primarily used on routes serving lower income areas, so to them, sitting on a hot bus to save a few dimes is not a bad option at all. However, there are no longer any non-AC buses plying the cross-harbour routes (although some do pass the Lion Rock Tunnel).
For the Cross Harbour routes, it's due to the unpleasant exhausts that cars are emitting out in the enclosed tunnels. This is the same reason why all the routes that use the Tate's Cairn Tunnel had all AC in the mid-90s, around 2004 with the Shing-Mun Tunnels to go all AC.

The Lion-Rock Tunnel still has the partial-AC routes, it's also because the tunnel is short.
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For the Cross Harbour routes, it's due to the unpleasant exhausts that cars are emitting out in the enclosed tunnels. This is the same reason why all the routes that use the Tate's Cairn Tunnel had all AC in the mid-90s, around 2004 with the Shing-Mun Tunnels to go all AC.

The Lion-Rock Tunnel still has the partial-AC routes, it's also because the tunnel is short.
It's not convincing. If tunnels are short enough for bus passengers not to breath unpleasant exhausts, why all the bus routes for the Tseung Kwan O Tunnel are fully-AC? It is just 900 meters long!

AAMOF, KMB couldn't get fully-AC buses on all the bus routes, espacially for the rural ones, are mainly due to the District Concellors. Many of those concellors want to have low price and direct bus service to the urban area for the low demand areas to avoid the monopoly from the minibuses. They make KMB in difficult position on maintaining high quality service and profitability. KMB has no choice but to use non-AC buses on those routes for lowering the operating cost.
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I thought Lion Rock was one of the worst in ventilation due to its age, so even though it is a short tunnel, there are probably a lot more bad things in the air than a longer, newer tunnel such as the WHC.
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Bus lines win rises but amount still to be set 5 out of 6 bids for fare increases approved
14 May 2008
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The Transport Advisory Committee has approved all but one of six fare rise applications by five bus companies, which will now go to the Executive Council for Approval, with the increases ranging from 2 to 7 per cent.

Kowloon Motor Bus, Long Win Bus, New Lantau Bus, Citybus and New World First Bus were all allowed increases lower than those they had sought, which ranged from 5.8 per cent to 9 per cent, according to a source familiar with the situation.

But a second application lodged by Citybus on its routes between Chek Lap Kok and New Territories towns was not approved by the committee.

"Some companies are operating profitable services between the airport and towns and yet they still want to raise fares. I think the public is not likely to accept that," the source said.

KMB - whose requested fare rise of 9 per cent had been criticised as crazy by lawmakers - was recommended for a rise of 4.5 per cent. The same rate (4.5 per cent) would apply to Long Win Bus.

Long Win, a subsidiary of KMB's holding company, Transport International Holdings, had sought 5.9 per cent. It has operated 18 franchised routes between the airport and the New Territories since mid-1997 and government figures show its average daily patronage rose from 39,300 in 1998 to 75,800 last year.

The source said the application made by Citybus for its non-airline routes and New World First Bus was likely to be granted an increase of between 2 and 5 per cent.

Committee chairwoman Teresa Cheng Yuek-wah said after the meeting that each application had been assessed individually according to the bus fare adjustment formula, which takes into account the magnitude of change in median household income, public acceptability and affordability and the companies' financial performances.

She did not say what the recommended increases were, only saying she would submit the recommendations to the Executive Council for approval as soon as possible.

Calculation under the fare adjustment formula, which excludes factors like fuel costs and the company's financial performance, came up with 3.91 per cent for KMB and 4.6 per cent for Citybus and New World First Bus.

But the source said the recommended rates for the three companies would be slightly lower than 7 per cent as had been suggested in some quarters.

The Executive Council is expected to discuss the fares on Tuesday.

A number of public utilities have applied for increases since inflation began to pick up last year.

Star Ferry applied for increases of up to 41 per cent on its two franchised routes between Tsim Sha Tsui and Central and Wan Chai, while the Tate's Cairn Tunnel operator wants a rise of up to 28 per cent.
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