America's 10 Most Miserable Cities

[Hia-leah JDM]

You can't just blatantly say Florida is not a good place to live or it's only good for certian things or certian people. I think we all got your opinion but that's not what it's all about. There are millions of people that love living in Florida, just like there are plenty of people like yourself.
I'm still starting out here and the economy is not helping but I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by Nexis

Why Trenton or Newark , there Changed now nicer , safer cities unlike Camden which is Dangerous and neglected. Allentown isn't Bad either although it needs more things to see and do but it has alot Parks and is Spread out. Tacoma isn't Bad either. Bridgeport is a Bit bad , boring on Weekends , but upbeat on weekdays. Whats Wrong with the Ocean State? Have you been to any of these places , if not don't make a list judged on internet tales and rumors , its general a false fact or out dated

Crime stats are just one aspect of a community's miserableness. I defy you to go live in Newark, you're so enamored of the place. Trenton too. I've been all over the Garden State and while there are outward signs of recovery in Newark, it remains a difficult and challenging city. Trenton just seems empty to me, devoid of much besides the state government. it reminds me of Niagara Falls NY. I do like nearby Princeton.

[jbkayaker12]

Here goes Forbes once again with their latest miserable cities list.



Forbes - America's Most Miserable Cities

[hudkina]

Why is Forbes using Metropolitan Divisions? By "Warren" they essentially mean the Detroit MSA excluding Wayne County (i.e. Detroit).

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by JRQ

Gotta Love Forbes Rankings. Now for the top 10 Most Miserable Cities in the United States-

#1- Stockton, California
#2- Memphis, Tennessee
#3- Chicago, Illinois
#4- Cleveland, Ohio
#5- Modesto, California
#6- Flint, Michigan
#7- Detroit, Michigan
#8- Buffalo, New York
#9- Miami, Florida
#10- St. Louis, Missouri

These types of lists makes one wonder if by chance there's any correlation between the cities that make Forbes "most misereable list" & the cities that make the least Forbes circulation per capita list might be.

[Mudhen419]

A list was recently made with toledo ohio at # 8 and our city is kinda pissed about it. I dont know who was polled for this but I guarantee Toledoans werent polled. No way we would be up that high

[jbkayaker12]

Here is a very brief summary on why Toledo made it as the #8 Most Miserable City on Forbes list.

#8 Toledo, Ohio
"The city is ensnared in a scandal within its Department of Neighborhoods that involves alleged bid rigging and stolen funds. The FBI and U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Department are investigating the crimes. Toledo scores poorly when it comes to income and property tax rates."

Does Toledo have high property tax rates and low income amongst its residents? As far as the other issue mentioned above, it cannot be good when you have the FBI involved.

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by jbkayaker12

Here is a very brief summary on why Toledo made it as the #8 Most Miserable City on Forbes list.

#8 Toledo, Ohio
"The city is ensnared in a scandal within its Department of Neighborhoods that involves alleged bid rigging and stolen funds. The FBI and U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Department are investigating the crimes. Toledo scores poorly when it comes to income and property tax rates."

Does Toledo have high property tax rates and low income amongst its residents? As far as the other issue mentioned above, it cannot be good when you have the FBI involved.

Now I think most of us know that Toledo's not exactly an up & coming destination city!

But that stuff you mentioned is more common among the likes of NYC, Philly, Chicago, San Francisco, & LA, etc.

[jbkayaker12]

In Clark County, the recession has dealt the county problems with foreclosures, unemployment, low wages but the people seem to be more upbeat and happy. We just lucked out Las Vegas is the 'Entertainment Capital of the World' that it has much to offer not only for visitors but for its residents. By the way, wages in Clark County are low compared to many areas in the United States but as far as property tax, sales tax, housing, dining and entertainment, we lucked out, it is low as well and we do not have State tax.

[hudkina]

Originally Posted by bayviews

Now I think most of us know that Toledo's not exactly an up & coming destination city!

I think part of the issue is the idea that people are automatically miserable in these cities. If I grew up in a city where it is always 70 degrees and sunny, then maybe I would find a northern winter miserable, but having lived in the north my entire life, I might be miserable in a city that can't experience a White Christmas. To think that people are miserable because they see fewer sunny days or a higher number of colder days than other cities is silly. People become accustomed to their environments.

The only way to truly determine how miserable a city is, is to take a random sampling of people from each metropolitan area and ask them the question directly.

[kingchef]

memphis has so many natural amenities, it does not have country, bluegrass, gospel country, or mountain music, which is simply on what nashville is built. memphis is an urbanized city, contiguous, and a party culture of good music, food, the arts, and southern roots that are deep. nashville is generally the "shithole" of the south, and they usually go out of their way to show what that means. basically a central town w/ principal cities dispersed in and around the metro-nashville-davidson county. i have family who lives there, and i, myself, have lived and worked there, so i do know that it is redneck, for the most part, and always chasing the images of whatever city seems to have the most public favor at the time.

[GarfieldPark]

Inferiority complex much?

I don't think anybody mentioned Nashville -- but suddenly someone from Memphis sees the need to try to rationalize the fact that Memphis made the most miserable cities list -- and apparently now feels the need to try to drag Nashville into the quagmire with it.

[kingchef]

obviously, i have left out a good deal of point b. i had two really nice martinis, and my reaction seems a bit schizoid, as presented. really, it is more about the stupid list than the cities listed. memphis is a big girl and a great place overall. i just get tired of seeing bloggers and cheerleaders for a place such as nashville try to present itself in a forward light, while all the time tearing down other cities like chicago, louisville, memphis, etc., etc.

you are correct, however, regardiing how abrupt it appears. sort of like a person w/ writer's tourettes, who was parachutted into the dining room during polite dinner conversation of guests about one's latest trip to rome. please, forgive me, and have a deserved laugh at my expense.

[GarfieldPark]

No problem. I think Memphis has a lot of great things going for it. Definitely fantastic food, great music, great history, culture, etc. Apparently it was the crime rate that pulled it down. Still -- I doubt there are too many people in Memphis that are "miserable". Its a dumb ranking.

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by kingchef

memphis has so many natural amenities, it does not have country, bluegrass, gospel country, or mountain music, which is simply on what nashville is built. memphis is an urbanized city, contiguous, and a party culture of good music, food, the arts, and southern roots that are deep. nashville is generally the "shithole" of the south, and they usually go out of their way to show what that means. basically a central town w/ principal cities dispersed in and around the metro-nashville-davidson county. i have family who lives there, and i, myself, have lived and worked there, so i do know that it is redneck, for the most part, and always chasing the images of whatever city seems to have the most public favor at the time.

Memphis & Nashville, yeah they have contrasting styles & they sing & dance to different beats. Yet both have their charms & their both fine with me!

[rocket9561]

Originally Posted by kingchef

nashville is generally the "shithole" of the south, and they usually go out of their way to show what that means.

That's more than a little uncalled for don't you think? You bring Nashville into every post about Memphis here and on other forums. You definitely have some kind of deep personal issue with Nashville and that's just silly. It's a city in the same state as Memphis. It's a good thing that it is growing and prospering as that contributes to the general well-being of the state.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by rocket9561

That's more than a little uncalled for don't you think?

Yes, it was. Gentlemen, let's try to maintain a certain level of conversation in the forums. Let's be more tactful in how express our opinion and keep the conversation out of the gutter.

[desertpunk]

When I think of "miserable" these days, I think of some anonymous aspirational suburb of a once high-flying city like Phoenix or Las Vegas that's hit hard times. A place like Glendale AZ or Sunrise Manor NV where the good times abruptly ended and the life of the place just slowly drains out...

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by desertpunk

When I think of "miserable" these days, I think of some anonymous aspirational suburb of a once high-flying city like Phoenix or Las Vegas that's hit hard times. A place like Glendale AZ or Sunrise Manor NV where the good times abruptly ended and the life of the place just slowly drains out...

What about Tucson?

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by bayviews

What about Tucson?

Tucson's a retiree mecca and wasn't among the high flyers of the '00s. It moves on a different track.